Drinking Age Debate - Oklahoma City, OK

Discuss the national Drinking Age debate in Oklahoma City, OK.

Should the U.S. lower the drinking age to 18?

Oklahoma City undecided
Yes, 18 is better.
 
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No, 21 is fine.
 
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Phil

Oklahoma City, OK

#1 Dec 5, 2011
Probably needs to be closer to 30.
Charlie

Oklahoma City, OK

#2 Dec 5, 2011
The smoking age is 18,either lower the drinking age or raise the smoking age
Two Bit Mathews

United States

#3 Dec 6, 2011
It's absolutely horrible that a man who these gutless shills would send overseas to fight their battles for them isn't considered mature enough to participate in an adult activity.
notlocal

AOL

#4 Dec 6, 2011
Two Bit Mathews wrote:
It's absolutely horrible that a man who these gutless shills would send overseas to fight their battles for them isn't considered mature enough to participate in an adult activity.
As usual, I agree with you on that. If I am correct, many men who were shipped off to Viet Nam and came bag in body bags, wounded and always unappreciated and disrespected, were drafted at 18 and not legal to vote until 21. Disgraceful.

Having said that, I owned a nightclub. The legal drinking age was 21, but false ID's made a lot of my customers 18, 19 or 20. For the most part it was not a problem. They were out of high school, working or students at the local college, but there were a rash of DUI's and a few fatalities statewide.

Being a young business woman, I had to run a pretty tight ship. Doormen at every door carding everyone.

Then the State dropped the legal drinking age to 18. What a catastrophe that was! Now I had 15, 16 and 17 year olds with fake ID's as customers in an atomsphere way beyond their maturity level. The fights began, mostly the girls. They just could not understand they were in a public place with rules and not in study hall.

The ones who couldn't get ID's began to park in the parking lot, partying and disturbing the neighbors.

And the parents howling. I had one father call me and inform me his 16 year old daughter was in my place every Friday night. It being a Friday night and having 400+ customers, I invited him to come in, I'd meet him at the door and escort him until we found his daughter who was breaking the law. He could then identify her to me and the doormen and take her home. His response? "Oh no, I could never do that. She'd kill me." And he hung up. Can you believe it?

All the nightclubs had the same problems. It was a dangerous mess.

It was less than two years before the reinstated 21 as the legal drinking age.

Now all kids are going to get into nightclubs before they are 21. My friends and I did, but we were 19 and 20 and had no idea what to even order to drink.

It's a different world now with the drugs, date rapes, incrediably filthy, suggestive music and kids just growing up too fast.

Yes, I agree anyone who serves in our Military should have the right to have a few beers anytime, anywhere. Maybe they could get a Military wavier when they enlist?

Now before the cries of 'hypocrite' begin from the morons, my church and every member was well aware of Reflections and my position there. They would borrow tables and chairs from me often. I inherited the darn place, had to leave my job, turn it around into a successful business and after five years could not wait to sell.

Drinking alcohol is not a sin. Drunkeness is and gulttony as much of a sin. tolerance in all things.

Just thoughts from my experience and certainly not a referendum for OK.
Later, Buddy

Two Bit Mathews

United States

#5 Dec 7, 2011
notlocal wrote:
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As usual, I agree with you on that. If I am correct, many men who were shipped off to Viet Nam and came bag in body bags, wounded and always unappreciated and disrespected, were drafted at 18 and not legal to vote until 21. Disgraceful.
Having said that, I owned a nightclub. The legal drinking age was 21, but false ID's made a lot of my customers 18, 19 or 20. For the most part it was not a problem. They were out of high school, working or students at the local college, but there were a rash of DUI's and a few fatalities statewide.
Being a young business woman, I had to run a pretty tight ship. Doormen at every door carding everyone.
Then the State dropped the legal drinking age to 18. What a catastrophe that was! Now I had 15, 16 and 17 year olds with fake ID's as customers in an atomsphere way beyond their maturity level. The fights began, mostly the girls. They just could not understand they were in a public place with rules and not in study hall.
The ones who couldn't get ID's began to park in the parking lot, partying and disturbing the neighbors.
And the parents howling. I had one father call me and inform me his 16 year old daughter was in my place every Friday night. It being a Friday night and having 400+ customers, I invited him to come in, I'd meet him at the door and escort him until we found his daughter who was breaking the law. He could then identify her to me and the doormen and take her home. His response? "Oh no, I could never do that. She'd kill me." And he hung up. Can you believe it?
All the nightclubs had the same problems. It was a dangerous mess.
It was less than two years before the reinstated 21 as the legal drinking age.
Now all kids are going to get into nightclubs before they are 21. My friends and I did, but we were 19 and 20 and had no idea what to even order to drink.
It's a different world now with the drugs, date rapes, incrediably filthy, suggestive music and kids just growing up too fast.
Yes, I agree anyone who serves in our Military should have the right to have a few beers anytime, anywhere. Maybe they could get a Military wavier when they enlist?
Now before the cries of 'hypocrite' begin from the morons, my church and every member was well aware of Reflections and my position there. They would borrow tables and chairs from me often. I inherited the darn place, had to leave my job, turn it around into a successful business and after five years could not wait to sell.
Drinking alcohol is not a sin. Drunkeness is and gulttony as much of a sin. tolerance in all things.
Just thoughts from my experience and certainly not a referendum for OK.
Later, Buddy
Wow, notlocal, some people's audacity! This unfit father wanted you to do his job for him. That's what most of this nanny state legislation is; lazy parent abdicating their responsibilities so they can stay home, get smashed, and look at porn.
notlocal

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#6 Dec 7, 2011
Two Bit Mathews wrote:
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Wow, notlocal, some people's audacity! This unfit father wanted you to do his job for him. That's what most of this nanny state legislation is; lazy parent abdicating their responsibilities so they can stay home, get smashed, and look at porn.
You know, You're RIGHT! I never thought of it that way. I just took him for a pretty bad parent if he wouldn't confront his daughter or give me the tools to. My father would have drug me out of there by my hair!
And yes, I am so tired of this entitlement mentality in the government and the population.
B

Chicago, IL

#7 Dec 7, 2011
Most of the teans are drinking by age 18 anyway, if it were leagal we would see less teens in jail
Snark Drinks Diarrhea

Oklahoma City, OK

#8 Dec 9, 2011
B wrote:
Most of the teans are drinking by age 18 anyway, if it were leagal we would see less teens in jail
That's not really a good argument though.. That's like saying that if we legalize murder there won't be as many murderers in jail. I'm all for dropping the drinking age to 18, but this argument is not a good one to use.
notlocal

AOL

#9 Dec 9, 2011
Snark Drinks Diarrhea wrote:
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That's not really a good argument though.. That's like saying that if we legalize murder there won't be as many murderers in jail. I'm all for dropping the drinking age to 18, but this argument is not a good one to use.
LMAO As usual, you never disappoint!

Since: Mar 08

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#10 Dec 9, 2011
states did this in the 70's so many teens died cause of wrecks and more = NO to young for USA as kids take it to extream NO
Snarks A Punk

Oklahoma City, OK

#11 Dec 10, 2011
Ken1569 wrote:
states did this in the 70's so many teens died cause of wrecks and more = NO to young for USA as kids take it to extream NO
But aren't you a hypocrite for having no problem with sending them to die in another country to save your ass, while not letting them make an adult decision like what to drink and how much here on home turf?
cutter

Oklahoma City, OK

#12 Dec 11, 2011
The last Texas,lowered thier it was a flop. We used sit, and judge how drunk the girls.I saw peple who missed the door compleately
Snark Faither

Oklahoma City, OK

#13 Dec 11, 2011
cutter wrote:
The last Texas,lowered thier it was a flop. We used sit, and judge how drunk the girls.I saw peple who missed the door compleately
So are we looking at convenience here, or principle? If an 18 year old is too young to drink, he/she should also be too young to fight and die for his/her country. Which is it?

People need to quit expecting the government to be mommy and daddy and start taking responsibility for their own kids.
dshrader5@cox.ne t

Oklahoma City, OK

#14 Dec 11, 2011
This was tried back in the early 70’s, along with the right to vote. It was though that if you were old enough to fight for your country, you were old enough vote and drink. Very few 18’s voted but lots took up drinking. The number of deaths from drunken driving among 18 to 20 year olds skyrocketed. Not a good idea.
notlocal

AOL

#15 Dec 11, 2011
Snark Faither wrote:
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So are we looking at convenience here, or principle? If an 18 year old is too young to drink, he/she should also be too young to fight and die for his/her country. Which is it?
People need to quit expecting the government to be mommy and daddy and start taking responsibility for their own kids.
Bingo! Parents HAVE to take the responsibility. But they don't and in many cases, have substance abuse problems of thier own.

There's no cut and dry answer here, certainly none that any government can mandate. Like 50 year olds, some 18 year olds are capable of making wise choices regarding drinking and some will never be.
terri manuel

Chickasha, OK

#16 Dec 11, 2011
my son was killed
notlocal

AOL

#17 Dec 11, 2011
terri manuel wrote:
my son was killed
You and your family have my sincere sympathy. There's really nothing more to say to you. But I am truly so sorry.
El Guapo

Fort Worth, TX

#18 Dec 11, 2011
Keep it 21, but if you have a military ID, then you get to drink. Think of it as a privilege for those that serve.
Snark Bite Serum

Oklahoma City, OK

#19 Dec 11, 2011
[QUOTE who="dshrader5@cox.net "]This was tried back in the early 70’s, along with the right to vote. It was though that if you were old enough to fight for your country, you were old enough vote and drink. Very few 18’s voted but lots took up drinking. The number of deaths from drunken driving among 18 to 20 year olds skyrocketed. Not a good idea.[/QUOTE]

So you have no problem with sending an 18 year old somewhere to save your but -- an adult responsibility -- but you want to deny them an adult "privilege"? What a hypocrite you are.
KarinaLovesGays

Oklahoma City, OK

#20 Jan 19, 2012
At 18, teens have barely become adults. Some have not yet learned to be responsible and some have not even matured. Why would we allow 18 year olds to get wasted? I understand that some are responsible and drink in moderation, but if lower it down to 18, we will be allowing some that are immature and irresponsible to go down the wrong path. I don't have a passionate fight for this like I do for gay rights, but I just gave my opinion

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