Drinking Age Debate - Massena, NY

Discuss the national Drinking Age debate in Massena, NY.

Should the U.S. lower the drinking age to 18?

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No, 21 is fine.
 
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Yes, 18 is better.
 
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Massena Mike

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Dec 6, 2011
 
If you can die for your country at 17 you should surely be able to drink at 18.
six6six

Maybrook, NY

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Dec 6, 2011
 
Drinking age at 21 is fine, unless you have military ID. That's just my 2 cents.
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Ithaca, NY

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#3
Dec 6, 2011
 
Get real, there's enough problems around here.
wtfc

Ithaca, NY

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#4
Dec 6, 2011
 
screw you who wnat it younger, sure you can fight but it you are taught how to fight, how to deal with it by a a drill sergent. no one teaches you how to drink responsible, that only comes with age. it should be even older in my books, at 21 most kids are still douchebags and morons
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#5
Dec 6, 2011
 
six6six wrote:
Drinking age at 21 is fine, unless you have military ID. That's just my 2 cents.
Agree. I do think there should be limits, and I have no idea what, but I agree with the notion if you can fight and die for your country you should be able to have a beer. Maybe allow them to buy beer in the store, but not to drink in bars. Some form of this has been up for discussion in a lot of state Senate and Assembly rooms.

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Dec 6, 2011
 
wtfc wrote:
screw you who wnat it younger, sure you can fight but it you are taught how to fight, how to deal with it by a a drill sergent. no one teaches you how to drink responsible, that only comes with age. it should be even older in my books, at 21 most kids are still douchebags and morons
Grow up
Understand your point, but "kids" in the military are also taught how to be responsible and accountable for their actions. Something many parents don't bother with. With that said, that doesn't mean all in the military display those traits. It's a tough one, but you make sense as well, aside from your unreasonable nasty attitude.

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Dec 6, 2011
 
six6six wrote:
Drinking age at 21 is fine, unless you have military ID. That's just my 2 cents.
Totally agree
gamer

Ithaca, NY

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#8
Dec 6, 2011
 
Personally I would rather see marijuana legalized and alcohol more controlled than it is. Alcohol is much worse to everyone around it. Stoners just keep to themselves and don't get out of control like drunks do.
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Dec 6, 2011
 
Massena Mike wrote:
If you can die for your country at 17 you should surely be able to drink at 18.
I happened to be one of the people this law affected the most. I was 19 in the military and this law went into effect and I went from being able to drink to not being able. I really didn't care though. I knew it was for the good of everyone. By that time I had already seen several alcohol related deaths/injuries and had seen several good men do things they normally wouldn't do sober, and got in deep trouble because of it. Alcohol is very evil when abused. Young girls get raped while under the influence, young and old users can't make reasonable decisions while under the influence. It breaks up families and kills people. After seeing what I have, I will never support anything other than making it illegal all together.

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Dec 6, 2011
 
gamer wrote:
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Young girls get raped while under the influence
Keep blaming the victim. Young girls get raped because they're the victim of a rapist. Young girls get raped while completely sober.
gamer

Ithaca, NY

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Dec 6, 2011
 
AngelandDemon wrote:
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Keep blaming the victim. Young girls get raped because they're the victim of a rapist. Young girls get raped while completely sober.
And...people die in car accidents when they are sober also...I get your point, but this thread isn't about rape...I thought it was about alcohol and why it should, or shouldn't be available for teenagers. I may be wrong there also. I don't recollect blaming a rape victim anywhere in my post. Just bringing to the topic some of the negative effects of alcohol. I was always under the impression that alcohol clouded peoples judgement and can lead to bad decisions. Probably wrong there too. Here are some supporting stats that a counseling group at a University hands out to students pertaining to date rape drugs and alcohol.

Sexual Assault Statistics

More than 75% of college students who experience unwanted intercourse are under the influence of alcohol or drugs at the time of the incident.

Sixty percent of college women who have acquired sexually transmitted diseases (including AIDS) were under the influence of alcohol at the time they had intercourse.

Between 15 and 30 percent of college women have been the victim of acquaintance rape at some point in their lives.
Thunderball

Watertown, NY

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Dec 6, 2011
 
19 would be just fine.
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Watertown, NY

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Dec 7, 2011
 
Teenagers are going to drink whether it's legal or not. Ask any drinker how old they were the 1st time they got drunk and I bet over 95% would say they were underage. I started when I was 15 and never crashed my car or raped a girl. People just need to be held responsible for their actions.
victim no more

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Dec 7, 2011
 
my two cents on the whole rape comment...yes, young girls do get raped while under the influence of alcohol, and no, nobody is blaming them because they are NOT TO BLAME! The point that is being missed here is that older boys/men give the young girls alcohol until they pass out, then take advantage of them sexually. It happened to me many, many, many years ago when I was only 16, and I recently found out my daughter went thru the same thing at the same age...so no one is blaming the victim, it is the person who is most likely overage who purchased or otherwise obtained the alcohol and gave it to the girls who is at fault.

OK, thanks for letting me get that off my chest, back to your topic of the drinking age...thank you!
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Dec 7, 2011
 
AngelandDemon wrote:
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Keep blaming the victim. Young girls get raped because they're the victim of a rapist. Young girls get raped while completely sober.
You took one comment out of context in a well crafted argument and attacked it...I think the Demon won this time! LOL But it's your opinion, while I disagree with it, I respect it, and I meant no harm by my comment to you, it was only a play on your name. Have a good day.

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Dec 7, 2011
 
gamer wrote:
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And...people die in car accidents when they are sober also...I get your point, but this thread isn't about rape...I thought it was about alcohol and why it should, or shouldn't be available for teenagers. I may be wrong there also. I don't recollect blaming a rape victim anywhere in my post. Just bringing to the topic some of the negative effects of alcohol. I was always under the impression that alcohol clouded peoples judgement and can lead to bad decisions. Probably wrong there too. Here are some supporting stats that a counseling group at a University hands out to students pertaining to date rape drugs and alcohol.
Sexual Assault Statistics
More than 75% of college students who experience unwanted intercourse are under the influence of alcohol or drugs at the time of the incident.
Sixty percent of college women who have acquired sexually transmitted diseases (including AIDS) were under the influence of alcohol at the time they had intercourse.
Between 15 and 30 percent of college women have been the victim of acquaintance rape at some point in their lives.
Gamer I see your point as well. I think with everything in the news lately I'm a bit more sensitive to the rape comment than I normally would be (I think.)

And believe me, I've made some bad decisions while under the influence when I was much younger, but being sexually assaulted isn't a victim's choice even if they're drinking. To me, that has much more to do with the offender than it does the victim. A lot more.

But to be fair I do see your point, but also the point that young people are going to drink regardless of what the age is. I don't think it would be a bad thing to educate the young folks on what could happen. I'm not sure we (schools, parents) do a good enough job of that. Their brains aren't done growing yet and won't be until between 25 and 30.(Some much longer, lol.)
Massena Mike

Constantia, NY

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#17
Dec 7, 2011
 
It doesn't matter....the drinking age was 18 for the longest time and stuff like this happened. It is all predicated on how you are brought up and how responsible you act. There are 60 and 70 year old people who can't control their liquor, it has nothing to do with being 18 or 21. Funny, Quebec's drinking age is 18 and there is no issue with that.
vawinkie60

Ithaca, NY

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#18
Dec 7, 2011
 
not mature at this age
winkie

Ithaca, NY

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Dec 7, 2011
 
Massena Mike wrote:
It doesn't matter....the drinking age was 18 for the longest time and stuff like this happened. It is all predicated on how you are brought up and how responsible you act. There are 60 and 70 year old people who can't control their liquor, it has nothing to do with being 18 or 21. Funny, Quebec's drinking age is 18 and there is no issue with that.
yes it does happen when I was PA drinking age was 21 in NY 18 young men went to NY sat at a bar had a few, no law broken, came back to PA and hit a log truck head on ,3 people died that night 3 young people with a life that ended just like snapping your finger WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO BE YOUR CHILD I do not think so do not my children to a number so, what age ,if any, is a person responsible enough
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Dec 7, 2011
 
just a PS the driver of the logging truck was in his late 50s and was tested as drunk GO FIGURE

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