Drinking Age Debate - Jacksonville, FL

Discuss the national Drinking Age debate in Jacksonville, FL.

Should the U.S. lower the drinking age to 18?

Jacksonville says 21
No, 21 is fine.
 
15
Yes, 18 is better.
 
13

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Since: Aug 08

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#2 Dec 6, 2011
If you can die for the country and consent to sex you should be able to drink.

“How Do You Avoid Apathy? ”

Since: Oct 07

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#3 Dec 8, 2011
Why not? There seems to be no significant reason behind age 21. So, why not lower it.

Since: Aug 08

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#4 Dec 10, 2011
thamanjimmy wrote:
Why not? There seems to be no significant reason behind age 21. So, why not lower it.
I agree with you but I'm sure the church disagrees with both of us. I strongly believe they have a hand in this 21 BS and have for years. They seem to have control of all the other laws when it comes to alcohol and alcohol establishments and even adult stores and businesses. There are laws saying you can't buy booze on Sunday or not on certain times on Sundays. Can anyone honestly say to me that that doesn't have anything to do with the church or the church imposing their will on the state?
jeremiah hunt

Jacksonville, FL

#5 Dec 11, 2011
if i can go be a bullet sponge in iraq i should be allowed to drink at 18
anon

Jacksonville, FL

#6 Dec 11, 2011
who really waits till they are 21 to drink? If you are to be held accountable as an adult for your actions at 18, you should be afforded the same liberties as everyone else over the age of 18.
Catherine Willikers

Blakely, GA

#7 Dec 12, 2011
They need a few more years to become better drivers first. Also, they are still growing. They shouldn't be soldiers until 21, either.

Since: Aug 08

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#8 Dec 12, 2011
anon wrote:
who really waits till they are 21 to drink? If you are to be held accountable as an adult for your actions at 18, you should be afforded the same liberties as everyone else over the age of 18.
Exactly!

Since: Aug 08

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#9 Dec 12, 2011
Catherine Willikers wrote:
They need a few more years to become better drivers first. Also, they are still growing. They shouldn't be soldiers until 21, either.
I would only agree with the alcohol age being 21 if they weren't able to join the service until 21. I don't think one should be able to be drafted until 21. Give them a few more years of their youth in case they are required to put their life at risk for the country.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#10 Dec 12, 2011
What I find funny is just how much people worry about underage drinking yet the same people look for any reason to shove Ritalin (methylphenidate) down a kid’s throat. The question we parents should ask ourselves is should we protect our children from the evils of the world or should we spend time (a lot of time) teaching them to be responsible Adults…..
King of wisdom

Jacksonville, FL

#11 Dec 12, 2011
equalityboy81 wrote:
If you can die for the country and consent to sex you should be able to drink.
No one has asked you to die for this f$$ked up country.. If you dont like the terms of your employer.. Go somewhere else...
TOASTER

Pomona Park, FL

#12 Dec 13, 2011
Most men and women do not mature enough to drink booze until they're at least 21.
TOASTER

Pomona Park, FL

#13 Dec 13, 2011
equalityboy81 wrote:
If you can die for the country and consent to sex you should be able to drink.
I think men and women in the military should be able to drink, but only if there in the military, an 18-20 year old living with mommy and daddy is not responsible enough to handle booze.

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#14 Dec 13, 2011
TOASTER wrote:
Most men and women do not mature enough to drink booze until they're at least 21.
Why 21? Why not 23? or 22? or even 28? What makes 21 such a magical number?

I have known plenty of grown adults who probably are not "mature enough to drink booze." Should we instead require the person to pass a test of maturity?

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#15 Dec 13, 2011
TOASTER wrote:
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I think men and women in the military should be able to drink, but only if there in the military, an 18-20 year old living with mommy and daddy is not responsible enough to handle booze.
Is it not responsible to live with your parents while you are going to college and working at the same time, while saving money to pay for a down payment of a house or to invest? To me that is the definition of responsibility.
Westside conservative

Jacksonville, FL

#16 Dec 13, 2011
equalityboy81 wrote:
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I agree with you but I'm sure the church disagrees with both of us. I strongly believe they have a hand in this 21 BS and have for years. They seem to have control of all the other laws when it comes to alcohol and alcohol establishments and even adult stores and businesses. There are laws saying you can't buy booze on Sunday or not on certain times on Sundays. Can anyone honestly say to me that that doesn't have anything to do with the church or the church imposing their will on the state?
Oh come one now equality how do you arrive at that determination? Yes I agree that people of faith have helped to push the laws for no sales on Sunday but not the age limit.

In all reality, its yet another great example of the federal government imposing its will on the states through the power of confiscated funds (taxes) being doled back out to the states with strings attached. Look up the national minimum drinking age act of 1984. Basically the federal government passed a law that said if your state minimum drinking ages wasn't 21 then you would lose 10% of your federal highway money. Even back then the states were addicted to the federal tax trough and like obedient little servants complied almost immediately. You could call it a bipartisan bill as the Democrats controlled the House under Tip O'Neil and the Republicans had the Senate with Reagan as President of course. Actually MADD had a hand in this as well as a commission on curbing drinking and driving.

I know you dislike the Church but when you go on unfounded rants with no information, it harms your argument. Not to mention regardless of any influence by any group really the question should be is it right or wrong. I would argue that since a person assumes all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities of adulthood upon turning 18, they should also obtain the right to drink. I think there is a strong argument for the equal protection clause to be applied here as its discriminatory based on age. Unfortunately, this is a great example of this public good nonsense that is promoted as an acceptable reason by the courts to ignore the Constitution. If you had actually argued the legal or Constitutional points rather than letting your bias show there, you could get a good debate stirred up here.

Personally, I find the whole act symptomatic of the corruption of our freedoms by a federal government acting for the "greater good", a federal court system willingly turning a blind eye to violations of our freedom, and the usurpation of excess tax money by the federal government from citizens of those very states being used to force states to bend to the fed's will.

So hopefully that addresses your request of proof that the Church was not the major driver in this issue.

If not, here is a link to the national youth rights site on this very issue with their research:

http://www.youthrights.org/issues/drinking-ag...

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#17 Dec 13, 2011
King of wisdom wrote:
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No one has asked you to die for this f$$ked up country.. If you dont like the terms of your employer.. Go somewhere else...
I'm not even in the service dumba88!

Since: Aug 08

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#18 Dec 13, 2011
TOASTER wrote:
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I think men and women in the military should be able to drink, but only if there in the military, an 18-20 year old living with mommy and daddy is not responsible enough to handle booze.
That makes no sense. If they are old enough to drink in the military then they are old enough to drink at home. 18 is an adult. They can have sex, drive, get married, have children, own property, be tried as an adult, star in an adult film, smoke cigarettes. How more adult can you get?
TOASTER

Pomona Park, FL

#19 Dec 14, 2011
equalityboy81 wrote:
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That makes no sense. If they are old enough to drink in the military then they are old enough to drink at home. 18 is an adult. They can have sex, drive, get married, have children, own property, be tried as an adult, star in an adult film, smoke cigarettes. How more adult can you get?
The military teaches and enforces self control. College doesn't do that. Most college age people party like there retarded.

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#20 Dec 15, 2011
TOASTER wrote:
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The military teaches and enforces self control. College doesn't do that. Most college age people party like there retarded.
Well why shouldn't the age be 20 or 22 then? People mature at different levels. If an 18-year-old isn't mature enough to drink then they should still be able to have juvenile protection if they commit a crime because they aren't yet mature enough and should not be able to consent to sex or smoke cigarettes or even drive for that matter. Why is alcohol singled out over everything else? Not every 18 or 21-year-old in the military is mature and disciplined, maybe most but not all.
Mike hawk

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#21 Dec 15, 2011
They're mature enough at that age.

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