Drinking Age Debate - Albuquerque, NM

Discuss the national Drinking Age debate in Albuquerque, NM.

Should the U.S. lower the drinking age to 18?

Albuquerque says 21
No, 21 is fine.
 
13
Yes, 18 is better.
 
12

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Rebeca

Erwin, NC

#21 Aug 1, 2012
If you can go to war at 18 why can't you have a drink?

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#22 Aug 2, 2012
Rebeca wrote:
If you can go to war at 18 why can't you have a drink?
Not quite the same you know that right?

Since: Oct 12

Las Cruces, NM

#23 Oct 10, 2012
There is no reason why the drinking age should not be moved to 18, at least I haven't heard or read one yet so if someone can make a legit claim as to why the age should not be moved lt me know.

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#24 Oct 10, 2012
TheLudeKMA wrote:
There is no reason why the drinking age should not be moved to 18, at least I haven't heard or read one yet so if someone can make a legit claim as to why the age should not be moved lt me know.
Seriously? How about an increase in DWI's?

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#25 Oct 10, 2012
TheLudeKMA wrote:
There is no reason why the drinking age should not be moved to 18, at least I haven't heard or read one yet so if someone can make a legit claim as to why the age should not be moved lt me know.
Look at any college dorm and if you can't figure out why the cops are called there more often than other places for wild, loud drinking parties you are not mature enough to drink or vote.

A second reason and one many won't agree with is 18 year olds are not all that mature to drink or vote or sometimes drive.

That said perhaps the age to try and convict people of crimes as adults should be moved to 21 too.

Since: Oct 12

Las Cruces, NM

#26 Oct 10, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
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Look at any college dorm and if you can't figure out why the cops are called there more often than other places for wild, loud drinking parties you are not mature enough to drink or vote.
A second reason and one many won't agree with is 18 year olds are not all that mature to drink or vote or sometimes drive.
That said perhaps the age to try and convict people of crimes as adults should be moved to 21 too.
Thats not a good enough reason to not move the drinking age, most of those college parties have 18 - 20 years olds that are going to drink regardless of the age limit, in high school at the age of 15 kids start drinking, we can't control who is going to drink and who is not, people do what they want so why waste time on young adults when we could be spending time on other issues.

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#27 Oct 10, 2012
TheLudeKMA wrote:
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Thats not a good enough reason to not move the drinking age, most of those college parties have 18 - 20 years olds that are going to drink regardless of the age limit, in high school at the age of 15 kids start drinking, we can't control who is going to drink and who is not, people do what they want so why waste time on young adults when we could be spending time on other issues.
This has been the "reason" for any other kind of doing away with laws that protect society and people. I mean with that logic you can say that serial killers will do what they want despite the laws...so why have laws against serial killers?

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28 Oct 10, 2012
Underage Drinking

During the past month (30 days), 26.4% of underage persons (ages 12-20) used alcohol, and binge drinking among the same age group was 17.4%.
SAMHSA
Alcohol use remains extremely widespread among today’s teenagers. Nearly three quarters of students (72%) have consumed alcohol (more than just a few sips) by the end of high school, and more than a third (37%) have done so by eighth grade.
NIDA
Past-month alcohol use rates declined between 2002 and 2008 for those ages 12-13 (4.3% to 3.4%), 14 or 15 (16.6% to 13.1%), 16 or 17 (32.6% to 26.2%), and 18-20 (51.0% to 48.7%).
SAMHSA

Among race demographics, whites had the highest percentage of underage (ages 12-20) past-month alcohol use (30.4%). Asians had the lowest rate at 16.1%.
SAMHSA

In 2008, 56.2% of current underage drinkers (ages 12-20) reported that their last use of alcohol occurred in someone else’s home; 29.6% reported that it occurred in their own home.
SAMHSA

Among underage drinkers (ages 12-20), 30.8% paid for the alcohol the last time they drank – including 8.3% who purchased the alcohol themselves and 22.3% who gave money to someone else to purchase it. Among those who did not pay for the alcohol they drank, 37.4% got it from an unrelated person of legal drinking age; 21.1% received it from a parent, guardian, or other adult family member.
SAMHSA

http://www.sadd.org/stats.htm

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#29 Oct 10, 2012
http://www.teenhelp.com/teen-alcohol-use/teen...

How does early onset alcohol abuse impact your teens future?

Alcohol abuse can have a lasting impact on your teenager for the rest of their lives. According to a study done by The National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), "Persons reporting first use of alcohol before age 15 were more than 5 times as likely to report past year alcohol dependence or abuse than persons who first used alcohol at age 21 or older".(2)

This study also showed that "Only 3 percent of persons who first used alcohol at age 21 or older were classified as having past year alcohol dependence or abuse". This goes to show that keeping your teen away from alcohol until after the legal age limit can have a significant impact on their future alcohol use.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#31 Oct 10, 2012
TheLudeKMA wrote:
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Thats not a good enough reason to not move the drinking age, most of those college parties have 18 - 20 years olds that are going to drink regardless of the age limit, in high school at the age of 15 kids start drinking, we can't control who is going to drink and who is not, people do what they want so why waste time on young adults when we could be spending time on other issues.
And I wonder are you one of the adults that allow your teenager to drink at home or buy them beer, wine and hard stuff so they can party?

Those college kids get phony ID or have someone of age buy it for them, that is illegal but no cop will ever find out who so they simply send them all home and warn the person who lives where the party is held.

That does nothing to stop underage drinking.

Can it be stopped, sure with proper enforcement of laws and state at the college dorms, NO ALCOHOL means just that yet every night UNM cops are called out to stop drinking and loud noise, do they expel the students, NOPE, a simple don't do it again. And they do, over and over.

EXPEL them from the housing complex and kick them out of school, let them go to another state and do their dumb stuff.

Seems they want to drink and not study. Maybe the cops need to arrest a few so they have a criminal record and not be able to get good jobs so they can tell their friends how drinking ruined their lives.

My kids did not drink when in high school but they knew our rules, and yes we would smell their breath and I know the tricks how to try and hid the smell of alcohol and tobacco.

So if you have a better smart idea lets hear it, if you simply think 18 year olds should be allowed to drink not interested in hearing it.

Since: Oct 12

Las Cruces, NM

#32 Oct 11, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
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And I wonder are you one of the adults that allow your teenager to drink at home or buy them beer, wine and hard stuff so they can party?
Those college kids get phony ID or have someone of age buy it for them, that is illegal but no cop will ever find out who so they simply send them all home and warn the person who lives where the party is held.
That does nothing to stop underage drinking.
Can it be stopped, sure with proper enforcement of laws and state at the college dorms, NO ALCOHOL means just that yet every night UNM cops are called out to stop drinking and loud noise, do they expel the students, NOPE, a simple don't do it again. And they do, over and over.
EXPEL them from the housing complex and kick them out of school, let them go to another state and do their dumb stuff.
Seems they want to drink and not study. Maybe the cops need to arrest a few so they have a criminal record and not be able to get good jobs so they can tell their friends how drinking ruined their lives.
My kids did not drink when in high school but they knew our rules, and yes we would smell their breath and I know the tricks how to try and hid the smell of alcohol and tobacco.
So if you have a better smart idea lets hear it, if you simply think 18 year olds should be allowed to drink not interested in hearing it.
first of all the serial killer remark.....yes they do do what they want thus why they're serial killers, jeez how smart are you? secondly i would never consent underage drinking, that being said it happens and it's going to keep happening so again why waste time on it.

Since: Oct 12

Las Cruces, NM

#33 Oct 11, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
<quoted text>
And I wonder are you one of the adults that allow your teenager to drink at home or buy them beer, wine and hard stuff so they can party?
Those college kids get phony ID or have someone of age buy it for them, that is illegal but no cop will ever find out who so they simply send them all home and warn the person who lives where the party is held.
That does nothing to stop underage drinking.
Can it be stopped, sure with proper enforcement of laws and state at the college dorms, NO ALCOHOL means just that yet every night UNM cops are called out to stop drinking and loud noise, do they expel the students, NOPE, a simple don't do it again. And they do, over and over.
EXPEL them from the housing complex and kick them out of school, let them go to another state and do their dumb stuff.
Seems they want to drink and not study. Maybe the cops need to arrest a few so they have a criminal record and not be able to get good jobs so they can tell their friends how drinking ruined their lives.
My kids did not drink when in high school but they knew our rules, and yes we would smell their breath and I know the tricks how to try and hid the smell of alcohol and tobacco.
So if you have a better smart idea lets hear it, if you simply think 18 year olds should be allowed to drink not interested in hearing it.
if we change the law the cops at the colleges wouldn't have to be called out for alcohol will they, it makes life simpler.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#34 Oct 11, 2012
TheLudeKMA wrote:
<quoted text>
first of all the serial killer remark.....yes they do do what they want thus why they're serial killers, jeez how smart are you? secondly i would never consent underage drinking, that being said it happens and it's going to keep happening so again why waste time on it.
Why waste time on catching serial killers?

Seriously?

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#35 Oct 11, 2012
TheLudeKMA wrote:
<quoted text>
if we change the law the cops at the colleges wouldn't have to be called out for alcohol will they, it makes life simpler.
I have a great idea, you go live next door to those under age college kids and put up with all the noise, defecate and trash every night.

See how long you deal with it.

If those kids were mature they would be in their rooms studying and not partying.

Remember they are the future generation that will lead this country.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#36 Oct 11, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a great idea, you go live next door to those under age college kids and put up with all the noise, defecate and trash every night.
See how long you deal with it.
If those kids were mature they would be in their rooms studying and not partying.
Remember they are the future generation that will lead this country.
How's it going Blunt? I'm starting to think this guy is sloshed himself...probably one of the teenage kids looking for an excuse to drink...

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#37 Oct 11, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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How's it going Blunt? I'm starting to think this guy is sloshed himself...probably one of the teenage kids looking for an excuse to drink...
Sure seems that way, just another NM drunkard.

Probably got arrested and is POd.

Since: Oct 12

Las Cruces, NM

#38 Oct 11, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a great idea, you go live next door to those under age college kids and put up with all the noise, defecate and trash every night.
See how long you deal with it.
If those kids were mature they would be in their rooms studying and not partying.
Remember they are the future generation that will lead this country.
my point is, your complaints are not relevant to the drinking age question. these kids are drinking alcohol illegaly right? that means that no matter what you say or tell them they are going to do it anyway, and you can't compare them to serial killers it's two completely differrent things. You're right if those kids where mature they wouldn't be doing what they're doing yet they do it anyway, what i'm simply saying is stop wasting time giving 18 year olds MPI's and concentrate on catching the serial killers. 18 year olds are considered adults with everything else even killing in the military so why not give them a drink, the federal government thinks its ok, they let soldiers buy and drink alcohol in the military bases. what i'm trying to get at is that not all 18 year olds are immature, and you can't blame them for the faults of others, it's as if i blamed you for all the serial killings in the US, it just makes no sence.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#39 Oct 11, 2012
TheLudeKMA wrote:
<quoted text>
my point is, your complaints are not relevant to the drinking age question. these kids are drinking alcohol illegaly right? that means that no matter what you say or tell them they are going to do it anyway, and you can't compare them to serial killers it's two completely differrent things. You're right if those kids where mature they wouldn't be doing what they're doing yet they do it anyway, what i'm simply saying is stop wasting time giving 18 year olds MPI's and concentrate on catching the serial killers. 18 year olds are considered adults with everything else even killing in the military so why not give them a drink, the federal government thinks its ok, they let soldiers buy and drink alcohol in the military bases. what i'm trying to get at is that not all 18 year olds are immature, and you can't blame them for the faults of others, it's as if i blamed you for all the serial killings in the US, it just makes no sence.
First I never mentioned "serial killers" I did mention the word criminals so not sure why you keep harping to me "serial killers", maybe someone else said that word.

As for the military allowing 18 year olds to drink, can't speak on that but I would find it hard to believe an 18 year old could go into a bar in uniform and order a martini or into a liquor store and buy a bottle of rum, the law requiters ID proving age of 21 for that.

Maybe on base but for sure not off base. Having never served due to my deafness (in case your not aware of it) I can't speak what is or is not allowed on military bases, USA bases, not other countries. I do know the British Navy used to issue a drink to all sailors as part of their meal but that I believe was during WW2, not sure if still done.

As for our laws, granted there screwed, you are an adult for crimes committed, you can join the military, in most states you can sign legal contracts to buy cars and open bank accounts and get credit cards but not buy liquor.

Is it fair, as this whole issue is about drinking at 18, my personal opinion is YES, in fact as many who drink at that age are also not mature enough to truly understand politics. But their allowed to vote anyway.

As confusing as what I have to say it should be either 21 for everything or 18 for everything , I do agree there but if I were to pick one it would be 21.

Not sure of your age but years ago you had to be 21 to vote too.
It is truly said that 18 year olds think it is just fine to go party, get drunk and do damage to other peoples property and not be held responsible or punished for it.

The colleges/universities are more interested in the $$$$$ they get for enrollment than doing an honest policing of stopping them from drinking.

And please don't bring up serial killers again, it is not something I said.

Since: Oct 12

Las Cruces, NM

#40 Oct 12, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
<quoted text>
First I never mentioned "serial killers" I did mention the word criminals so not sure why you keep harping to me "serial killers", maybe someone else said that word.
As for the military allowing 18 year olds to drink, can't speak on that but I would find it hard to believe an 18 year old could go into a bar in uniform and order a martini or into a liquor store and buy a bottle of rum, the law requiters ID proving age of 21 for that.
Maybe on base but for sure not off base. Having never served due to my deafness (in case your not aware of it) I can't speak what is or is not allowed on military bases, USA bases, not other countries. I do know the British Navy used to issue a drink to all sailors as part of their meal but that I believe was during WW2, not sure if still done.
As for our laws, granted there screwed, you are an adult for crimes committed, you can join the military, in most states you can sign legal contracts to buy cars and open bank accounts and get credit cards but not buy liquor.
Is it fair, as this whole issue is about drinking at 18, my personal opinion is YES, in fact as many who drink at that age are also not mature enough to truly understand politics. But their allowed to vote anyway.
As confusing as what I have to say it should be either 21 for everything or 18 for everything , I do agree there but if I were to pick one it would be 21.
Not sure of your age but years ago you had to be 21 to vote too.
It is truly said that 18 year olds think it is just fine to go party, get drunk and do damage to other peoples property and not be held responsible or punished for it.
The colleges/universities are more interested in the $$$$$ they get for enrollment than doing an honest policing of stopping them from drinking.
And please don't bring up serial killers again, it is not something I said.
Ok, the thing that i have a problem with is the fact that we should have one age considered adult... we should not say you're an adult at 18 but only a little adult, you'll get your full adulthood at 21. this is just stupid to me, we should let 18 year olds be full adults or move the adulthood age to 21, why have both ages in place? I think if you're considered an adult then let them be adults whatever age the law says. If, like you said, we don't consider them mature enough to handle alcohol then move the adult age up to 21 and stop considering these immature 18 year olds adults, i just don't like the double standard.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#41 Oct 12, 2012
TheLudeKMA wrote:
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Ok, the thing that i have a problem with is the fact that we should have one age considered adult... we should not say you're an adult at 18 but only a little adult, you'll get your full adulthood at 21. this is just stupid to me, we should let 18 year olds be full adults or move the adulthood age to 21, why have both ages in place? I think if you're considered an adult then let them be adults whatever age the law says. If, like you said, we don't consider them mature enough to handle alcohol then move the adult age up to 21 and stop considering these immature 18 year olds adults, i just don't like the double standard.
I do agree one age period, not one that you can vote, one to join the military, another to buy cigs and alcohol etc.

Here is where many will not agree, make it 21, not 18.

And make it a Federal Law that NO STATE can over ride.

I would agree with that.

But no state will and the feds will fumble around for 50 years debating it.

That is the problem, our elected fools just refuse to sit down and compromise on important issues, they have to waste millions and phony surveys and test etc.

Just get it done.

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