Debt Ceiling Debate - Van Wert, OH

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Should taxing the rich be part of the agreement to raise the debt ceiling?

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Mansfield, OH

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#21
Jul 24, 2011
 
why should the rich keep getting richer and the poor get poorer
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Mansfield, OH

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Jul 24, 2011
 
van werter
Van Wert, OH
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truth wrote:
<quoted text> this is difficult for me to follow. They who? The rich should pay? Because they can afford to? Well hmmmm. I wonder who's more responcible for the debt the rich, or the poor???? I say if u earned u keep it. Maybe we get a finanical advisor.. have that person do a powerpoint presentation to the members of congress, business 101 if u will.(That's what it is now a business). That's not what the founding fathers had in mind. The american dream did not consist of handouts. It came from struggle and hard ass work! So let's get to work. Wow.. sorry ya'll
the founding fathers did not envision an 11 trillion dollar debt im sure of that. they also didnt envision people regularly living to the age of 90 and beyond if we could afford to take care or ourselves (my fiance and I) on 2 incomes maybe we could afford to take care of our parents but alas the american dream is an illusion for most working class families. so yes let the rich pay a bit more like they were doing before the tax cuts, that should have expired anyways. this is all my opinion of course.
actully the american dream did come from hand outs how else do u explain the settlement act? then the theft of the land from the indians. the goverment handed out the land after they stole it they handed it out like candy.so the american dream was free and stolen to make along story short ....
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Dublin, OH

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#23
Jul 24, 2011
 
whats holding us back from being rich?
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Lima, OH

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#24
Jul 24, 2011
 
truth wrote:
<quoted text> this is difficult for me to follow. They who? The rich should pay? Because they can afford to? Well hmmmm. I wonder who's more responcible for the debt the rich, or the poor???? I say if u earned u keep it. Maybe we get a finanical advisor.. have that person do a powerpoint presentation to the members of congress, business 101 if u will.(That's what it is now a business). That's not what the founding fathers had in mind. The american dream did not consist of handouts. It came from struggle and hard ass work! So let's get to work. Wow.. sorry ya'll
All "ya'll" need to do is go back the tax rate before the GW Bush (temporary) cuts! Simple! Nothing outlandish or excessive is being asked. Bush 41 said, "Read my lips, no new taxes" and then raised taxes. He wasn't labeled a socialist or said to be going against the "forefathers" for doing so! People in higher tax brackets paid more even during Reagan! Now all of a sudden taxes are evil, just too much to ask of anyone but lower income citizens!(Why don't they get to keep every cent they earn too? BTW) It's so easy to keep making this pat excuse, that tax revenues only go to "hand outs" and welfare! Totally ridiculous!...ya'll.
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Columbus, OH

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Jul 25, 2011
 
I never said no to taxes, I said no to taxing thr rich just because they are rich. You are putting words in my mouth. I made no mention of bush, or obama. If its someones fault it is that of the american people, you and me. There is no way in 4 or even 8 years the work of one man can ruin us financially. However billions in stimulus to christler corp that will never be paid back, and a jobs stimulus that cost americans about 40k a person and created no jobs didn't help much.... but besides that, its a collective failure of greed and lies. You can defend who u want, its too late to fix it anyway, and the people in office are so greedy that they have no idea where to go and we just sit back and hope that its all going to be ok. That's. Frustrating to me. I got a little upset about it. You feel better now that you made fun of me? If it were up to me each and every person would oay the same tax rate, the rich are not responsible for anyone being poor. This is america, you have the freedom to make as much money as u wish. That's what I was saying. The goverment wasn't created to run every aspect of our lives.
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Lima, OH

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Jul 25, 2011
 
truth wrote:
I never said no to taxes, I said no to taxing thr rich just because they are rich. You are putting words in my mouth. I made no mention of bush, or obama. If its someones fault it is that of the american people, you and me. There is no way in 4 or even 8 years the work of one man can ruin us financially. However billions in stimulus to christler corp that will never be paid back, and a jobs stimulus that cost americans about 40k a person and created no jobs didn't help much.... but besides that, its a collective failure of greed and lies. You can defend who u want, its too late to fix it anyway, and the people in office are so greedy that they have no idea where to go and we just sit back and hope that its all going to be ok. That's. Frustrating to me. I got a little upset about it. You feel better now that you made fun of me? If it were up to me each and every person would oay the same tax rate, the rich are not responsible for anyone being poor. This is america, you have the freedom to make as much money as u wish. That's what I was saying. The goverment wasn't created to run every aspect of our lives.
I did not mean to make fun of you, so, no, if that's the way it was taken I do not "feel better".

Like you and many, I'm just very frustrated too! But I'm also sick of hearing everyone constantly defend the rich! In the oil spill on the gulf people were defending the "poor oil company" over the US citizens of The Gulf! In the debt ceiling debates politicians look out for the rich, not the rest of their voting constituents! Our own governor has cut funds to homes for very severely handicapped and Alzheimer's patients. Yet he prides himself in tax cuts to P&G and Marathon, etc. Why do people idolize the rich and take their part over those of their own peer group? When did that become the popular thing to do?

You realize there ARE multi millionaires who are publicly saying "tax me"! They don't wish to hoard every cent they make! The US tax rate is already much lower than other nations, even if the Bush cuts were eliminated. Some of these people, as actual "job creators", WANT employees who work for them to have a quality standard of living with parks, libraries, good schools, which comes from taxes! They take pride in that! Not all successful wealthy people want to hole up like Howard Hughes! Not all just think of themselves!

With all-due total respect to those men, I also get tired of constantly hearing about the "founding fathers". I sincerely doubt, in all their true and real wisdom, that even THEY-themselves would claim to be so psychic as to tell people in this modern world, with technology they never even fathomed, how to handle today's problems.

And when you remarked, I quote, "I say if u earned u keep it" it DID sound like you were saying no taxes! How is that putting "words in your mouth"?

So, truth, that's where I was coming from...my thoughts...and I apologize if I flew off the handle or came off sounding snotty to you!
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Lima, OH

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Jul 25, 2011
 
...and the reason I said "actual job creators" in my last post...I was making the distinction, because most of the mega rich who hoard their wealth, or spend it in other countries, who are billed as the great "job creators", are NOT actually "job creators" at all.
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Bellefontaine, OH

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#28
Jul 25, 2011
 
If the working class is asked to make sacrifices with Social Security and Medicare it is only right to have the rich make sacrifices also.
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Lima, OH

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Jul 25, 2011
 
factory worker wrote:
If the working class is asked to make sacrifices with Social Security and Medicare it is only right to have the rich make sacrifices also.
Exactly! Everyone else is being asked to bite the bullet, yet so many seemed very ultra contentious and concerned with the rich being treated with an optimum level of fairness! When did taking care of the wealthy become such a priority for all?...even while those in our own "league" (if you will) suffer?!

I don't understand this at all!
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Westlake, OH

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#30
Jul 25, 2011
 
I simply dont feel that the rich people should have more responcibility. I dont want a bunch of high and mighty know it alls sitting around saying, youre welcome. I would like to see americans man up. No more relying on someone else, take ten percent from me and the same from my neighbor. Give everyone equal access to govt programs. If u want social security. Get a high interest savings plan and tax yourself. There is no reason why we can't start from scratch, neighbors helping eachother, looking out instead of peering in, we can all do something to fix all of our problems, I don't understand why we are paying these clowns so much money to ruin everything. Why don't we take it all back? Yes, sacrifices will have to be made, but the answer does not lie with the rich, it lies within us..... hope you've got your boots on cause its gettin deep.
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Van Wert, OH

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#31
Aug 8, 2011
 
48% of the people in this country pay no income tax! Its easy for them to say "the rich aren't paying their fair share"--and they don't pay a damn dime. They need to have some skin in this game, or they'll just keep asking for more!!
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Acworth, GA

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#32
Aug 8, 2011
 
Wealth envy is SUCH a great tool for dividing the 'Prolls, Epsilons, and Useless Idiots' as Joesph Stalin stated.

More Control, More Revenue is all this is about.

There was only ever one plan that did what S&P said was required —$4 trillion in cuts with bipartisan support. That’d be Cut, Cap, and Balance — a plan that cut $4 trillion and got bipartisan support in the House of Representatives.

As Democrats today, and some old school hard arse Republicans, lash out and blame the Tea Party for causing the United States to lose its credit rating, it is worth pointing out that only the Tea Party offered up a plan to avoid what happened.

Watch when Obama comes on in a few minutes: It will be all about 'somebody else's' fault. Possibly even S&P's fault which is just mind-blowing.

Listen for the code words: "We just can't live on 200 BILLION per month in revenue." Imagine in your mind's eye, Paris Hilton speaking...

Oh, Hi there Beenhereforever! ;-)
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Acworth, GA

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#33
Aug 8, 2011
 
WOW, "We didn't need a credit agency to tell us we need to raise taxes...." That wasn't what S&P said at all. S&P's comments were all directed at CUTTING SPENDING!

He took the most radical mind-blowing route. Just Damm!

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#34
Aug 14, 2012
 
And why isnt the rich paying taxes? wasnt this an issue like 100 years ago.. seriously the rich should be paying more cuz they can handle still living. government is expective people with barely anything to pay taxes. GOVERNMENT YOU REALLY RETARDED! if your gonna make these decision for our contry learn damn history dumbasses

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