Civil Unions Debate - Erwin, TN

Discuss the national Civil Unions debate in Erwin, TN.

Are Civil Unions Enough?

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Since: Dec 11

Elizabethton, TN

#1 Jan 15, 2012
Civil Unions are not the same. Heterosexual marriages are recognised from the Federal Government down to the state level. Civil Unions are state specific and not always recognised by other states and not recognised by the Federal Government.

Since: Dec 11

Elizabethton, TN

#3 Jan 15, 2012
kenny woods wrote:
the govt. needs to stay outa tha weddin buisness.if the flaminfaggotmommasdebbie&s andy on 1st st. want to get hitshed they can do it at tha court house.
The problem is that the Government is in the wedding business. The Government sanctions all heterosexual marriages. If the Government needs to "stay outa tha weddin buisness", then I say all marriages need to be dissolved and marriage abolished for everyone.
BIG MAC

Murfreesboro, TN

#4 Jan 15, 2012
kENNY WOODS IS FROM JONESBOURGH SOME CHICKEN SHIT USEING HIS NAME.

Since: Dec 11

Elizabethton, TN

#5 Jan 15, 2012
BIG MAC wrote:
kENNY WOODS IS FROM JONESBOURGH SOME CHICKEN SHIT USEING HIS NAME.
I think it is "abide by rules" because of some of the same misspelled words that were posted in another forum.
igy

Murfreesboro, TN

#6 Jan 15, 2012
BIG MAC wrote:
kENNY WOODS IS FROM JONESBOURGH SOME CHICKEN SHIT USEING HIS NAME.
Just like he uses everyone elses name, except his, at his lawyers request. LOL
Jack Diddly

Johnson City, TN

#8 Jan 15, 2012
Marriage is Biblical and defined in the Bible between a man and a woman.The government tries to regulate everything.There is a bill coming up that allows schoolchildren to speak against homosexuality if it is for religious.

The government needs to get out of this altogether and let the parents teach their children.Homosexuality does not need to be taught one way or the other in school.

There needs to be some laws in place in the case of bullying,but it needs to end there.

As far as I know,when you are with someone a certain length of time,the government recognizes that as a civil union.
GET UR DUMB

Johnson City, TN

#9 Jan 16, 2012
Jack Diddly wrote:
Marriage is Biblical and defined in the Bible between a man and a woman.The government tries to regulate everything.There is a bill coming up that allows schoolchildren to speak against homosexuality if it is for religious.
The government needs to get out of this altogether and let the parents teach their children.Homosexuality does not need to be taught one way or the other in school.
There needs to be some laws in place in the case of bullying,but it needs to end there.
As far as I know,when you are with someone a certain length of time,the government recognizes that as a civil union.
Jack you the starter of this post is one of your very own watchdogs. An openly gay atheist watchdog.

Since: Dec 11

Elizabethton, TN

#10 Jan 16, 2012
GET UR DUMB wrote:
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Jack you the starter of this post is one of your very own watchdogs. An openly gay atheist watchdog.
Wrong again. I am not longer an atheist. But I am openly gay. That has never been a secret nor is calling me openly gay an insult. I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and into my heart December 5th. If you want to insult me you will have to try harder.

Cheers mate!
GET UR DUMB

Johnson City, TN

#11 Jan 16, 2012
Bruce M Herbertson III wrote:
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Wrong again. I am not longer an atheist. But I am openly gay. That has never been a secret nor is calling me openly gay an insult. I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and into my heart December 5th. If you want to insult me you will have to try harder.
Cheers mate!
Congratulations! You'll never hear another insult from me.
igy

Murfreesboro, TN

#12 Jan 16, 2012
Bruce M Herbertson III wrote:
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I think it is "abide by rules" because of some of the same misspelled words that were posted in another forum.
They are all Kenny, he has a least 2 dozen aliases, but you can spot him a mile away because of all the misspelled words.
Jack Diddly

Johnson City, TN

#13 Jan 17, 2012
GET UR DUMB wrote:
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Jack you the starter of this post is one of your very own watchdogs. An openly gay atheist watchdog.
2 things,I am not the starter of this thread and also,I'm not part of the John Day group.

You need to read some earlier threads and you will see.

I don't disrespect gay people but I don't let them force their views on me and stand against their agenda of seeking approval from the people.It's not hate,it's practicing my beliefs in the Bible.God loves sinners but hates sin.No matter how much we try,God will never conform to us,we must conform to him.

Since: Dec 11

Jonesborough, TN

#14 Jan 17, 2012
Jack Diddly wrote:
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2 things,I am not the starter of this thread and also,I'm not part of the John Day group.
You need to read some earlier threads and you will see.
I don't disrespect gay people but I don't let them force their views on me and stand against their agenda of seeking approval from the people.It's not hate,it's practicing my beliefs in the Bible.God loves sinners but hates sin.No matter how much we try,God will never conform to us,we must conform to him.
The problem is you are using a religious rationale to make your point about marriage. No one is asking or even forcing religious organisations to perform same sex marriages. I am a Christian as well but I am a gay Christian. I no more want someone to force their religious views on me than I would let someone tell me that I am not worthy of marrying the person I love.

Contrary to your religious views of marriage. Most marriages are secular and a good many are performed by a Justice of the Peace. There is nothing in any of the marriage equality laws that are being considered, that force churches or religious organisations to perform same sex marriages if their religious doctrine or their beliefs won't allow for it.

All that the marriage equality laws aim to do is give 2 people who love each other and want to make a covenant for life the opportunity to do so. The marriage equality laws on try to establish that the Federal government as well as the states recognise these marriages equally.

When my late partner was sick and dying. He was in ICU in a Charlotte hospital. Because we were not married, nor could we be legally married. I wasn't allowed to visit him. I was told that because I wasn't a relative, I couldn't see him. His mother gave permission to the hospital administrator to let me visit him. He told her that he couldn't take permission over the phone that she would have to come in person to give permission. She agreed and headed down to Charlotte. By the time she got there, Ray died. He died alone and scared and never got to feel my kiss again. He was never given the chance to hear my voice again. He was never given the chance to hear I loved him one more time. I was robbed of the chance to do all of that. I was robbed of the chance to start to heal at the moment of his death.

The nightmare only began there. Even though Ray and I were together for 10 years and had purchased a house together. I was forced by the state of North Carolina to sell the house or have my possession of the house tied up in court. I lost everything because we couldn't be married. Even though we had all kinds of documents drawn up to try and protect us should one of us die. That paperwork was easily contested by the state of North Carolina. Ray's mother was angry that was happening to me. She wasn't even contesting Ray's will.

You can sit there and say that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. You can say that be you have the luxury of knowing that you won't be robbed of the most basic things that marriage affords. You are willing to openly discriminate against those who don't share your views, because you have the luxury of doing so. You want to legally marginalise a whole group of people just because you feel that if we got legal recognition in marriage that somehow your marriage will be invalid.

I venture to say that if for some reason your marriage was deemed invalid that you would fight tooth and nail to keep it valid and recognised. I know I am not going to change your mind on this. But I want you to see what your prejudice is doing and just how hurtful it is. By actively trying to deny 2 people of a simple basic human right, you are forsaking your professed Christian values. By saying that I am not worthy of the blessing of marriage, you are in essence thumbing your nose at God and telling Jesus that he is wrong for loving all. Gods love is for everyone not for a select few.
Jack Diddly

Johnson City, TN

#15 Jan 17, 2012
Bruce M Herbertson III wrote:
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The problem is you are using a religious rationale to make your point about marriage. No one is asking or even forcing religious organisations to perform same sex marriages. I am a Christian as well but I am a gay Christian. I no more want someone to force their religious views on me than I would let someone tell me that I am not worthy of marrying the person I love.
Contrary to your religious views of marriage. Most marriages are secular and a good many are performed by a Justice of the Peace. There is nothing in any of the marriage equality laws that are being considered, that force churches or religious organisations to perform same sex marriages if their religious doctrine or their beliefs won't allow for it.
All that the marriage equality laws aim to do is give 2 people who love each other and want to make a covenant for life the opportunity to do so. The marriage equality laws on try to establish that the Federal government as well as the states recognise these marriages equally.
When my late partner was sick and dying. He was in ICU in a Charlotte hospital. Because we were not married, nor could we be legally married. I wasn't allowed to visit him. I was told that because I wasn't a relative, I couldn't see him. His mother gave permission to the hospital administrator to let me visit him. He told her that he couldn't take permission over the phone that she would have to come in person to give permission. She agreed and headed down to Charlotte. By the time she got there, Ray died. He died alone and scared and never got to feel my kiss again. He was never given the chance to hear my voice again. He was never given the chance to hear I loved him one more time. I was robbed of the chance to do all of that. I was robbed of the chance to start to heal at the moment of his death.
The nightmare only began there. Even though Ray and I were together for 10 years and had purchased a house together. I was forced by the state of North Carolina to sell the house or have my possession of the house tied up in court. I lost everything because we couldn't be married. Even though we had all kinds of documents drawn up to try and protect us should one of us die. That paperwork was easily contested by the state of North Carolina. Ray's mother was angry that was happening to me. She wasn't even contesting Ray's will.
You can sit there and say that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. You can say that be you have the luxury of knowing that you won't be robbed of the most basic things that marriage affords. You are willing to openly discriminate against those who don't share your views, because you have the luxury of doing so. You want to legally marginalise a whole group of people just because you feel that if we got legal recognition in marriage that somehow your marriage will be invalid.
I venture to say that if for some reason your marriage was deemed invalid that you would fight tooth and nail to keep it valid and recognised. I know I am not going to change your mind on this. But I want you to see what your prejudice is doing and just how hurtful it is. By actively trying to deny 2 people of a simple basic human right, you are forsaking your professed Christian values. By saying that I am not worthy of the blessing of marriage, you are in essence thumbing your nose at God and telling Jesus that he is wrong for loving all. Gods love is for everyone not for a select few.
Marriage was created by God.He even calls it an abomination.You need to read Galatians 5 and Romans 6.No matter how many laws are passed,no matter how many people change their views,nothing will ever change God's mind on things he has condemned.

When you try to legislate this perversion,you are in fact trying to force us to go against our beliefs.

You say I am forsaking my professed Christianity,I am obeying God when he tells me seperate myself from the worldly things and stand against wrong.
Jack Diddly

Johnson City, TN

#16 Jan 17, 2012
Bruce M Herbertson III wrote:
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The problem is you are using a religious rationale to make your point about marriage. No one is asking or even forcing religious organisations to perform same sex marriages. I am a Christian as well but I am a gay Christian. I no more want someone to force their religious views on me than I would let someone tell me that I am not worthy of marrying the person I love.
Contrary to your religious views of marriage. Most marriages are secular and a good many are performed by a Justice of the Peace. There is nothing in any of the marriage equality laws that are being considered, that force churches or religious organisations to perform same sex marriages if their religious doctrine or their beliefs won't allow for it.
All that the marriage equality laws aim to do is give 2 people who love each other and want to make a covenant for life the opportunity to do so. The marriage equality laws on try to establish that the Federal government as well as the states recognise these marriages equally.
When my late partner was sick and dying. He was in ICU in a Charlotte hospital. Because we were not married, nor could we be legally married. I wasn't allowed to visit him. I was told that because I wasn't a relative, I couldn't see him. His mother gave permission to the hospital administrator to let me visit him. He told her that he couldn't take permission over the phone that she would have to come in person to give permission. She agreed and headed down to Charlotte. By the time she got there, Ray died. He died alone and scared and never got to feel my kiss again. He was never given the chance to hear my voice again. He was never given the chance to hear I loved him one more time. I was robbed of the chance to do all of that. I was robbed of the chance to start to heal at the moment of his death.
The nightmare only began there. Even though Ray and I were together for 10 years and had purchased a house together. I was forced by the state of North Carolina to sell the house or have my possession of the house tied up in court. I lost everything because we couldn't be married. Even though we had all kinds of documents drawn up to try and protect us should one of us die. That paperwork was easily contested by the state of North Carolina. Ray's mother was angry that was happening to me. She wasn't even contesting Ray's will.
You can sit there and say that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. You can say that be you have the luxury of knowing that you won't be robbed of the most basic things that marriage affords. You are willing to openly discriminate against those who don't share your views, because you have the luxury of doing so. You want to legally marginalise a whole group of people just because you feel that if we got legal recognition in marriage that somehow your marriage will be invalid.
I venture to say that if for some reason your marriage was deemed invalid that you would fight tooth and nail to keep it valid and recognised. I know I am not going to change your mind on this. But I want you to see what your prejudice is doing and just how hurtful it is. By actively trying to deny 2 people of a simple basic human right, you are forsaking your professed Christian values. By saying that I am not worthy of the blessing of marriage, you are in essence thumbing your nose at God and telling Jesus that he is wrong for loving all. Gods love is for everyone not for a select few.
We are all born with a sin nature.To some it's the temptation of addictions,others it's fornication and adultery and some it's homosexuality.

It is our choice as to what we do with our temptation.God's love is for everyone,he just won't accept sin and demands us to turn from it on order to be saved.That's not me,that's the Bible.
diddley squat

Johnson City, TN

#17 Jan 17, 2012
you may as wel forget it bruce diddley squat nose it all. even how to bear false witness against thy neighbor
get ur dumb

Johnson City, TN

#18 Jan 17, 2012
Talk about kent like a dog behind his back but will never face him and say it

Since: Dec 11

Jonesborough, TN

#19 Jan 17, 2012
get ur dumb wrote:
Talk about kent like a dog behind his back but will never face him and say it
Sheriff or not. If I have a problem with someone I am more than willing to say it to their face. But this forum has nothing to do with Kent or any other elected official.

So I would ask that you stop trolling the forums trying to drum up arguments for Kent. Stick to the many forums devoted to Kent's shenanigans.
diddley squat

Johnson City, TN

#20 Jan 17, 2012
Bruce M Herbertson III wrote:
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Sheriff or not. If I have a problem with someone I am more than willing to say it to their face. But this forum has nothing to do with Kent or any other elected official.
So I would ask that you stop trolling the forums trying to drum up arguments for Kent. Stick to the many forums devoted to Kent's shenanigans.
Sorry, I was referring to diddly
Rapture

Pullman, WA

#21 Jan 17, 2012
diddley squat wrote:
you may as wel forget it bruce diddley squat nose it all. even how to bear false witness against thy neighbor
Here YOU are AGAIN,Bigmouth!!??I ask in an earlier post with no reply,so I'll ask again:DO YOU PAY TAXES IN UNICOI COUNTY??? You run your mouth on an ERWIN FORUM,and I beleive try to stir up as much crap as you can,just to have something to spit poison at..You either have one heeuva miserable life,or you are very close to the harris family..Either way you sound like a someone who just needs a hug...HHHUUUGGG,There I hope you feel better,now try to say something nice,or at least useful for a change.
diddley squat

Johnson City, TN

#23 Jan 17, 2012
Rapture wrote:
<quoted text>Here YOU are AGAIN,Bigmouth!!??I ask in an earlier post with no reply,so I'll ask again:DO YOU PAY TAXES IN UNICOI COUNTY??? You run your mouth on an ERWIN FORUM,and I beleive try to stir up as much crap as you can,just to have something to spit poison at..You either have one heeuva miserable life,or you are very close to the harris family..Either way you sound like a someone who just needs a hug...HHHUUUGGG,There I hope you feel better,now try to say something nice,or at least useful for a change.
hum i see u r in erwin now paying taxes. when is your release date or whatever you call it

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