Civil Unions Debate - Detroit, MI

Discuss the national Civil Unions debate in Detroit, MI.

Are Civil Unions Enough?

Detroit wants gay marriage
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celticwarriors

Seminole, FL

#1 Jan 14, 2012
As long as some groups of people are being discriminated against through outdated laws, we are not respecting the Constitution. This is a progressive nation.
Samatha

Houston, TX

#2 Jan 14, 2012
Child molester's dream come true



Two recent government actions, one legislative and one judicial, have called into question our society's willingness to protect its youngest and most vulnerable members.

A hate crimes bill (H.R. 1913 and S. 909), dubbed by critics the "Pedophile Protection Act," has already passed the House and is up for vote in the Senate. The bill earned its unofficial name when Democrats rejected an amendment to exclude pedophiles from legal protection. No doubt this legislation serves as a precursor to onerous hate speech legislation in the future.

On the judicial front, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled in a divorce case that two minor children must be forced to mingle against their will with their homosexual father's "gay" and lesbian friends during visitation. Claiming the children of Eric and Sandy Mongerson will not suffer harm from this contact, Justice Robert Benham overturned an earlier lower court ruling protecting the children from exposure to "overnight company with a member of the opposite sex, or with any person deemed to be a paramour, unrelated by blood or marriage, in the presence of a child."

Beth Littrell, an attorney for the pro-homosexual group Lambda Legal, said, "The court has done the right thing today by focusing on the needs of the children instead of perpetuating stigma on the basis of sexual orientation."

An AP report said the mother's attorney, Lance McMillian, "claimed the father subjected the children to an 'array of violent, sexual, abusive and wholly inappropriate conduct' during a trip to Arkansas and contended the father was in a series of affairs with other men while still married."

During the trial the two oldest children expressed fear for the safety of their younger siblings due to their homosexual father's violent outbursts. One of the girls told of finding a magazine with naked men while visiting her father.

So much for "justice" and the assertion that children's needs are a priority.

Benham might have done his homework and discovered a plethora of reasons to block easy access to these children by the friends of their homosexual father. He could have started with the wealth of material found at the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality. Numerous scientific studies show soaring rates of violence within homosexual and lesbian relationships, shortened life spans caused by diseases influenced by their lifestyle, and a significantly higher rate of child molestation as compared with heterosexual populations.

But if Benham were truly concerned about the wellbeing of children being raised by homosexuals, he could talk to internationally recognized speaker Dawn Stefanowicz, who authored "Out From Under," a book relating her childhood experience living with a homosexual father who was sexually abused as a boy and later died of AIDS. In the book she describes her childhood exposure to her father's gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transsexual, or GLBT, subcultures and their explicit sexual practices. She recently addressed the Canadian Senate on hate crimes legislation. She focuses on the impact the homosexual culture is having on children, particularly relating to marriage, parenting, sexuality and education.

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In a recent correspondence, Stefanowicz shared her own experiences and her concerns drawn from discussions with other adults who were raised in homosexual households. The following aspects typify these children's experiences:

* Associating with the parent's GLBT community creates painful gender identity confusion and prevents healthy development.

* Children are "silenced and forced to tolerate hearing speech, witnessing sexual behaviors, and going places they find offensive."

* Children are saddled with "stress, depression, anxiety, suicidal tendencies, anger, sexuality confusion, and tremendous insecurity."
Samatha

Houston, TX

#3 Jan 14, 2012
Child molester's dream come true



Two recent government actions, one legislative and one judicial, have called into question our society's willingness to protect its youngest and most vulnerable members.

A hate crimes bill (H.R. 1913 and S. 909), dubbed by critics the "Pedophile Protection Act," has already passed the House and is up for vote in the Senate. The bill earned its unofficial name when Democrats rejected an amendment to exclude pedophiles from legal protection. No doubt this legislation serves as a precursor to onerous hate speech legislation in the future.

On the judicial front, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled in a divorce case that two minor children must be forced to mingle against their will with their homosexual father's "gay" and lesbian friends during visitation. Claiming the children of Eric and Sandy Mongerson will not suffer harm from this contact, Justice Robert Benham overturned an earlier lower court ruling protecting the children from exposure to "overnight company with a member of the opposite sex, or with any person deemed to be a paramour, unrelated by blood or marriage, in the presence of a child."

Beth Littrell, an attorney for the pro-homosexual group Lambda Legal, said, "The court has done the right thing today by focusing on the needs of the children instead of perpetuating stigma on the basis of sexual orientation."

An AP report said the mother's attorney, Lance McMillian, "claimed the father subjected the children to an 'array of violent, sexual, abusive and wholly inappropriate conduct' during a trip to Arkansas and contended the father was in a series of affairs with other men while still married."
Samatha

Houston, TX

#4 Jan 14, 2012
During the trial the two oldest children expressed fear for the safety of their younger siblings due to their homosexual father's violent outbursts. One of the girls told of finding a magazine with naked men while visiting her father.

So much for "justice" and the assertion that children's needs are a priority.

Benham might have done his homework and discovered a plethora of reasons to block easy access to these children by the friends of their homosexual father. He could have started with the wealth of material found at the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality. Numerous scientific studies show soaring rates of violence within homosexual and lesbian relationships, shortened life spans caused by diseases influenced by their lifestyle, and a significantly higher rate of child molestation as compared with heterosexual populations.

But if Benham were truly concerned about the wellbeing of children being raised by homosexuals, he could talk to internationally recognized speaker Dawn Stefanowicz, who authored "Out From Under," a book relating her childhood experience living with a homosexual father who was sexually abused as a boy and later died of AIDS. In the book she describes her childhood exposure to her father's gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transsexual, or GLBT, subcultures and their explicit sexual practices. She recently addressed the Canadian Senate on hate crimes legislation. She focuses on the impact the homosexual culture is having on children, particularly relating to marriage, parenting, sexuality and education.

(Column continues below)




In a recent correspondence, Stefanowicz shared her own experiences and her concerns drawn from discussions with other adults who were raised in homosexual households. The following aspects typify these children's experiences:

* Associating with the parent's GLBT community creates painful gender identity confusion and prevents healthy development.

* Children are "silenced and forced to tolerate hearing speech, witnessing sexual behaviors, and going places they find offensive."

* Children are saddled with "stress, depression, anxiety, suicidal tendencies, anger, sexuality confusion, and tremendous insecurity."

* During Stefanowicz's childhood, her father "traveled all over North America and to the Islands, finding ample cruising partners and locations." She said it was not safe "to bring my good-looking boyfriends" home because they could be propositioned by her father to have threesome sex with another homosexual adult.

* A number of children feel sexually abused though association with the sights of the GLBT subculture and "witnessing their parent in sexual situations and multiple relationships." She said it's common for parents to take children to gay pride events sporting offensive sexual material, discussion and behavior.

* Stefanowicz says, "Some adult children express they have been sexually abused by a parent or partner(s) who have attempted to recruit them either directly or by innuendo and by example. Pedophilia is a big part of the subcultures." Sadly, she recounts her father being sexually involved with an underage boy who later committed suicide.
Samatha

Houston, TX

#5 Jan 14, 2012
* Stefanowicz has heard personal accounts from children who have contacted her. "They have been exposed to hepatitis and other pathogens because of living in close association with sexually active parents and partners. When young, dependent children share snacks, utensils, drinking glasses, use bathroom facilities and do not wash hands, touch washcloths toothbrushes children are at risk of becoming infected." She recounts picking up "feces-covered sheets" after one of her father's encounters and is concerned that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention acknowledges the high level of disease risk associated with GLBT behaviors, yet fails to discuss infection transmission risk to children in their care.

* Stefanowicz sees firsthand the effect of hate crime laws in Canada. Predicting what is ahead for America should such legislation pass, she says, "It is deeply saddening to see how many churchgoers/conservatives/Repu blicans are in favor of hate crime (laws). Americans have no idea what hate crime really is all about."

* Her concerns are backed up by statistics. A 2007 Gallup poll indicated a majority of Americans (68 percent) support expanding hate crimes laws. According to USA Today, "Majorities of frequent churchgoers (62 percent), conservatives (57 percent), and Republicans (60 percent) also were in favor of the legislation."

Continuing, Stefanowicz says, "Unfortunately, charities that speak against homosexuality will lose their charitable status and be fined. Media will also get shut down by the FCC if anything negative is said about homosexuality, and mention is made of the health risks, research on causes, and possibility of people leaving the lifestyle. "Gay" activists will go back into web archives and make complaints about offensive articles and links. Pastors will also be sued and church denominations could lose their tax exempt status."

Stefanowicz sees a dire future if hate crime laws are strengthened, stating, "With hate crime federally implemented, soon Human Rights Commissions the likes of what we have in Canada will hold tribunals in every state, prosecuting those who speak against the sin of homosexuality or mention any health dangers associated with homosexuality. In Canada, it is a 100% conviction rate."

Do hate crime laws really protect children? No. They protect adults perpetrating acts of indecency on minors.

Hate crime laws are a child molester's dream come true.
Truth Media Vs Fiction

Glendora, CA

#6 Jan 14, 2012
The Civil Union/Same Sex Marriage debate is a distraction away from important issues facing this country today. Let the states decide whether same sex marriage is right for them and let's move on.

Google the NDAA and SOPA acts -just do it and see what comes up. Let's focus on real issues like the importance of the next election, the imploding economy and dollar, and the war being pushed with Iran that will no doubt lead to WWIII.

Remember, when a mainstream media host says there are no such things as conspiracies -that in itself is a conspiratorial statement. Never mind the fact they don't like losing their audiences to truth based reporting from non mainstream news sources.

Once you have a taste of truthful reporting you never go back to mainstream contrived corporate media.

These hosts bash Republicans and Democrats equally because they know both sides are illuminati bought puppets out to screw us.

Give alternative news sources a chance before you knock them. Download these shows to your MP3 players and listen on your way to work or whatever. All you need from mainstream media is breaking news and traffic/weather.

Exposes US Gov Corruption and Global Wide Illuminati Plots

http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss

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Exposes Wallstreet and absolutely teaches you how to protect your money from the banksters

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Exposes Secret/Ancient Knowledge Suppressed In Modern History Books and suppressed medical cures/prevention for diseaseses like cancer, etc. This guy is a medical doctor.

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Often Exposes NASA Disinformation and Possible Offworld Intelligence Coverups (10PM to 2am) Coast To Coast Free Archives

http://www.ksfo.com/Article.asp...

Connects Bible Predictions/Prophecy to Modern Day Events -How Illuminati uses bible prophecy to plan false flag disasters eg. earthquakes, etc.

http://www.thegospel.com/clients/the-prophecy...

For a summary of all the topics discussed on these broadcasts this is my take on it

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

These radio hosts should do a show together or at least make guest appearences on each others shows. They all value truth and liberty in their own way.

With that SOPA legislation now passed we don't have a lot of time left to get informed before the net is censored.

Vote Ron Paul 2012
Monrovia Moron

Las Vegas, NV

#7 Jan 14, 2012
Truth Media Vs Fiction wrote:
The Civil Union/Same Sex Marriage debate is a distraction away from important issues facing this country today. Let the states decide whether same sex marriage is right for them and let's move on.
Google the NDAA and SOPA acts -just do it and see what comes up. Let's focus on real issues like the importance of the next election, the imploding economy and dollar, and the war being pushed with Iran that will no doubt lead to WWIII.
Remember, when a mainstream media host says there are no such things as conspiracies -that in itself is a conspiratorial statement. Never mind the fact they don't like losing their audiences to truth based reporting from non mainstream news sources.
Once you have a taste of truthful reporting you never go back to mainstream contrived corporate media.
These hosts bash Republicans and Democrats equally because they know both sides are illuminati bought puppets out to screw us.
Give alternative news sources a chance before you knock them. Download these shows to your MP3 players and listen on your way to work or whatever. All you need from mainstream media is breaking news and traffic/weather.
Exposes US Gov Corruption and Global Wide Illuminati Plots
http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss
http://video.google.com/videoplay... #(Skip around, you'll learn something useful)
Exposes Wallstreet and absolutely teaches you how to protect your money from the banksters
http://www.philsgang.com/pgfreeshowarchives.a...
Exposes Secret/Ancient Knowledge Suppressed In Modern History Books and suppressed medical cures/prevention for diseaseses like cancer, etc. This guy is a medical doctor.
http://www.soundwaves2000.com/radio_liberty/
Often Exposes NASA Disinformation and Possible Offworld Intelligence Coverups (10PM to 2am) Coast To Coast Free Archives
http://www.ksfo.com/Article.asp...
Connects Bible Predictions/Prophecy to Modern Day Events -How Illuminati uses bible prophecy to plan false flag disasters eg. earthquakes, etc.
http://www.thegospel.com/clients/the-prophecy...
For a summary of all the topics discussed on these broadcasts this is my take on it
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...
These radio hosts should do a show together or at least make guest appearences on each others shows. They all value truth and liberty in their own way.
With that SOPA legislation now passed we don't have a lot of time left to get informed before the net is censored.
Vote Ron Paul 2012
The proctologist called. He found your head.
Truth Media Vs Fiction

Glendora, CA

#8 Jan 14, 2012
Monrovia Moron wrote:
<quoted text>The proctologist called. He found your head.
I'll send the bill to your mom's basement troll.
Kayla

Detroit, MI

#9 Jan 16, 2012
Civil Unions are equivalent to separate but equal bathrooms in the 60's. They're separate but are they REALLY equal?
Anonymous

Kitchener, Canada

#10 Jan 16, 2012
LOVE IS LOVE nuff said
Tessa

Oak Park, MI

#11 Jan 17, 2012
Bigotry doesn't change, it simply moves to the next group that seems different. Please take a hint from our history as human beings. One day we will look back and see how wrong we really were.
Cody

Detroit, MI

#12 Jan 17, 2012
Civil unions set up a distinction between gay and straight couples which creates a not-necessarily equal situation. In order to be truly equal both gay and straight couples must have the same institution, whether civil union or marriage.
Veronica

White Lake, MI

#13 Jan 17, 2012
This is ridiculous. Why is this even still an issue? EVERYONE should have the same basic, human rights, because GUESS WHAT. WE'RE ALL HUMAN.
Gender doesn't matter, love is love. It's disgusting that I'm having to grow up, wondering if I'll ever be allowed to marry whatever woman I eventually fall in love with.

Since: Mar 07

Detroit, MI

#14 Feb 6, 2012
God says marriage is between a man and a woman. So did our founding fathers. If not, then why can`t Tom Mudge marry his St. bernard???
electro

Fort Campbell, TN

#15 Feb 29, 2012
Marriage is only for a man and woman.DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!
willow_kidd

Detroit, MI

#17 Mar 23, 2012
Explain my vote? Why is my right as a woman to marry a man in any way different or better to two people of the same gender who wish to get married? I thought this was America. The place people came to escape the overzealous church's reach? Are we not a country based on the idea of personal rights and freedoms that a person gets merely by the virtue of the fact they are human?
BrighterDetroit

Detroit, MI

#18 Apr 1, 2012
Dont believe in gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Move on with your life and focus on something important. Stop acting superior.

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