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Jan 14, 2012
 
Simple, this is America, go ahead let them get married. But with some conditions. They need to respect those that KNOW that it is a lifestyle and not who they are, they need to respect the churches and should not force them to marry them. If these conditions are not okay, then no dice and I would not support marriage at all. And I'm not here to argue. I voted. I said my thoughts on the matter.
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Jan 14, 2012
 
Au contrario, I think it should be the church that should respect people. I have a sister in law that just got married to her lover in Germany where they live. My only regret is that we could not make it to the wedding. OK with me, they are perfectly happy. Good for them and what they are doing is not hurting anyone.
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Jan 14, 2012
 
The Civil Union/Same Sex Marriage debate is a distraction away from important issues facing this country today. Let the states decide whether same sex marriage is right for them and let's move on.

Google the NDAA and SOPA acts -just do it and see what comes up. Let's focus on real issues like the importance of the next election, the imploding economy and dollar, and the war being pushed with Iran that will no doubt lead to WWIII.

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Truth Media vs Fiction wrote:
looney toons.

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Au contrario, I think it should be the church that should respect people. I have a sister in law that just got married to her lover in Germany where they live. My only regret is that we could not make it to the wedding. OK with me, they are perfectly happy. Good for them and what they are doing is not hurting anyone.
So you don't mind if they would force churches to marry them?

Be careful here because there is a provision in the Constitution that would make sure that the churches, beliefs, freedom of religion is protected from the state. Really think about my comment for a little bit. And remember I voted for gay marriage.

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Jan 14, 2012
 
Truth Media vs Fiction wrote:
The Civil Union/Same Sex Marriage debate is a distraction away from important issues facing this country today. Let the states decide whether same sex marriage is right for them and let's move on.
Google the NDAA and SOPA acts -just do it and see what comes up. Let's focus on real issues like the importance of the next election, the imploding economy and dollar, and the war being pushed with Iran that will no doubt lead to WWIII.
Remember, when a mainstream media host says there are no such things as conspiracies -that in itself is a conspiratorial statement. Never mind the fact they don't like losing their audiences to truth based reporting from non mainstream news sources.
Once you have a taste of truthful reporting you never go back to mainstream contrived corporate media.
These hosts bash Republicans and Democrats equally because they know both sides are illuminati bought puppets out to screw us.
Give alternative news sources a chance before you knock them. Download these shows to your MP3 players and listen on your way to work or whatever. All you need from mainstream media is breaking news and traffic/weather.
Exposes US Gov Corruption and Global Wide Illuminati Plots
http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss
http://video.google.com/videoplay... #(Skip around, you'll learn something useful)
Exposes Wallstreet and absolutely teaches you how to protect your money from the banksters
http://www.philsgang.com/pgfreeshowarchives.a...
Exposes Secret/Ancient Knowledge Suppressed In Modern History Books and suppressed medical cures/prevention for diseaseses like cancer, etc. This guy is a medical doctor.
http://www.soundwaves2000.com/radio_liberty/
Often Exposes NASA Disinformation and Possible Offworld Intelligence Coverups (10PM to 2am) Coast To Coast Free Archives
http://www.ksfo.com/Article.asp...
Connects Bible Predictions/Prophecy to Modern Day Events -How Illuminati uses bible prophecy to plan false flag disasters eg. earthquakes, etc.
http://www.thegospel.com/clients/the-prophecy...
For a summary of all the topics discussed on these broadcasts this is my take on it
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...
These radio hosts should do a show together or at least make guest appearences on each others shows. They all value truth and liberty in their own way.
With that SOPA legislation now passed we don't have a lot of time left to get informed before the net is censored.
Vote Ron Paul 2012
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looney toons.
Hey...you finally told us your name. Thank you.
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Jan 14, 2012
 
10 Reasons Why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must be Opposed
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1. It Is Not Marriage

Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.

The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.

Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.

2. It Violates Natural Law

Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law.

Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose.

Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality.

Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man.(Rom. 2:14-15)

3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother

It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.

The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex “marriage.” A child of a same-sex “marriage” will always be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model.

Same-sex “marriage” ignores a child’s best interests.

4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle

In the name of the “family,” same-sex “marriage” serves to validate not only such unions but the whole homosexual lifestyle in all its bisexual and transgender variants.

Civil laws are structuring principles of man's life in society. As such, they play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior. They externally shape the life of society, but also profoundly modify everyone’s perception and evaluation of forms of behavior.

Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality.

5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right

Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.

This is false.

First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.

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Jan 14, 2012
 
Knightmare wrote:
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So you don't mind if they would force churches to marry them?
Be careful here because there is a provision in the Constitution that would make sure that the churches, beliefs, freedom of religion is protected from the state. Really think about my comment for a little bit. And remember I voted for gay marriage.
Most gay couples know what they are up against regarding gay marriage in a church. If a church of their choice wants to marry them, that's great, in my opinion. If not, they always have civil union, it's their choice and business. As WS said, they are not hurting anyone.

Just out of curiosity, why did you vote for gay marriage, considering your past postings?
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Jan 14, 2012
 
Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.

Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.

6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union

Traditional marriage is usually so fecund that those who would frustrate its end must do violence to nature to prevent the birth of children by using contraception. It naturally tends to create families.

On the contrary, same-sex “marriage” is intrinsically sterile. If the “spouses” want a child, they must circumvent nature by costly and artificial means or employ surrogates. The natural tendency of such a union is not to create families.
Therefore, we cannot call a same-sex union marriage and give it the benefits of true marriage.

7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage

One of the main reasons why the State bestows numerous benefits on marriage is that by its very nature and design, marriage provides the normal conditions for a stable, affectionate, and moral atmosphere that is beneficial to the upbringing of children—all fruit of the mutual affection of the parents. This aids in perpetuating the nation and strengthening society, an evident interest of the State.

Homosexual “marriage” does not provide such conditions. Its primary purpose, objectively speaking, is the personal gratification of two individuals whose union is sterile by nature. It is not entitled, therefore, to the protection the State extends to true marriage.

8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society

By legalizing same-sex “marriage,” the State becomes its official and active promoter. The State calls on public officials to officiate at the new civil ceremony, orders public schools to teach its acceptability to children, and punishes any state employee who expresses disapproval.

In the private sphere, objecting parents will see their children exposed more than ever to this new “morality,” businesses offering wedding services will be forced to provide them for same-sex unions, and rental property owners will have to agree to accept same-sex couples as tenants.

In every situation where marriage affects society, the State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on the natural order and Christian morality.

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Jan 14, 2012
 
Everyone has their own opinion and I will not force mine on others, just state it. Nice job on the "copy and paste", by the way.

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Most gay couples know what they are up against regarding gay marriage in a church. If a church of their choice wants to marry them, that's great, in my opinion. If not, they always have civil union, it's their choice and business. As WS said, they are not hurting anyone.
Just out of curiosity, why did you vote for gay marriage, considering your past postings?
Because I have actually changed a little. Maybe become a little more appreciative of freedom. I have to agree if they can find a church that will marry them then that is great. As far as not hurting one that is debatable but I'd rather not go there. Simply saying that we should be able to respect each others freedoms as Americans and stop getting pulled into this us versus them mentality by the media...from both sides.

So that is a little bit why I voted for gay marriage. I might not agree but then they are adults it isn't my jobs to stop them from their freedom. All I'm supposed to do is love them as Jesus would. And I would expect the same kind of consideration of respect for my beliefs. Most do. Some don't. Just like with both sides there are hardcore people that fight tooth and nail. I guess I got tired of fighting useless battles and starting seeing a bigger picture through Jesus.

Hope that makes a little sense.

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Everyone has their own opinion and I will not force mine on others, just state it. Nice job on the "copy and paste", by the way.
Here is where we have disagree a bit. Stating an opinion already is in some ways forcing it others. But in a society where we have a lot of freedom...we forget that sometimes with that freedom we might feel like an opinion or two is forced on us. In other words with great freedom we need great maturity and responsibility. Many Americans are just too offended but too many things these days. Sorry about forcing this opinion on you...{I had to...}LOL!
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Agreed.
What do you disagree with? Listen to one of those shows before you dismiss them.

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Because I have actually changed a little. Maybe become a little more appreciative of freedom. I have to agree if they can find a church that will marry them then that is great. As far as not hurting one that is debatable but I'd rather not go there. Simply saying that we should be able to respect each others freedoms as Americans and stop getting pulled into this us versus them mentality by the media...from both sides.
So that is a little bit why I voted for gay marriage. I might not agree but then they are adults it isn't my jobs to stop them from their freedom. All I'm supposed to do is love them as Jesus would. And I would expect the same kind of consideration of respect for my beliefs. Most do. Some don't. Just like with both sides there are hardcore people that fight tooth and nail. I guess I got tired of fighting useless battles and starting seeing a bigger picture through Jesus.
Hope that makes a little sense.
It makes a lot of sense to me. I like the person you are even though we don't always agree.

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What do you disagree with? Listen to one of those shows before you dismiss them.
I agree with your post and the concept that we being played.

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Knightmare wrote:
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Here is where we have disagree a bit. Stating an opinion already is in some ways forcing it others. But in a society where we have a lot of freedom...we forget that sometimes with that freedom we might feel like an opinion or two is forced on us. In other words with great freedom we need great maturity and responsibility. Many Americans are just too offended but too many things these days. Sorry about forcing this opinion on you...{I had to...}LOL!
I see your point on most of your post. However, an opinion is just an opinion or what I feel, not something I wish to force on someone. Ok, I'm losing myself in this opinion stuff and confusing myself.

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It makes a lot of sense to me. I like the person you are even though we don't always agree.
Thank you.
I can say the same about you.

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Thank you.
I can say the same about you.
That's sweet :)

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I see your point on most of your post. However, an opinion is just an opinion or what I feel, not something I wish to force on someone. Ok, I'm losing myself in this opinion stuff and confusing myself.
LOL!

That's my point. We just need to have fun and enjoy the freedoms we have. Us Americans overthink things way too much and we never really say quite what we want to because we feel either we might offend or the real truth is the opinion of another might actually be different and we might get offended. And we don't like getting offended. But if we get to the point where getting offended is the natural outcome of more freedom then we can actually to certain extent enjoy getting offended. Sort of. Aww...hellified heck now you've got me all confused and stuff.

Just have fun and say what's on your mind or heart with some amount of common sense and respect and love for others...the love of Jesus for others...and you'll do fine.

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