Death Penalty Debate - Williamsburg, KY

[mike]

All for the death penalty

[Pro Freedom Phil]

I oppose the death penalty for several different reasons put here are my top three:

#1. If you make a mistake you can't make it right. If you accidentally lock-up the wrong person for a crime you can't give them their time back but you can at least compensate them, you can't give a life back.

#2. I don't trust the state to do it right they can't even pave the frigging roads right.

#3. Allowing the state to kill it's own people is the first step toward tyranny, totalitarianism and a Fascist state.

[Looking Back]

Matt 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
...
Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies

[kentuckian]

I'm all for the death penaly.

[No Surprise]

Pro Freedom Phil wrote:

I oppose the death penalty for several different reasons put here are my top three:
#1. If you make a mistake you can't make it right. If you accidentally lock-up the wrong person for a crime you can't give them their time back but you can at least compensate them, you can't give a life back.
#2. I don't trust the state to do it right they can't even pave the frigging roads right.
#3. Allowing the state to kill it's own people is the first step toward tyranny, totalitarianism and a Fascist state.

The death penalty was alive and well from the time the first Puritans came and settled here till the 1900s.
And....our country from it's infancy till now has never took it's first step towards tyranny, totalitarianism or a Fascist state because of the long standing usage of the death penalty.
So one would state from past facts of the death penality, you're being a bit extreme in your thinking :)

[friend]

well i just think you do it you should pay for it

[Pro Freedom Phil]

No Surprise wrote:

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The death penalty was alive and well from the time the first Puritans came and settled here till the 1900s.
And....our country from it's infancy till now has never took it's first step towards tyranny, totalitarianism or a Fascist state because of the long standing usage of the death penalty.
So one would state from past facts of the death penality, you're being a bit extreme in your thinking :)

You must have been asleep through the Bush administration to not see a rise toward a Fascist state during his "reign". However my other two reasons; first and foremost of which is the simple fact we cannot "Correct" the death penalty if we make a mistake, should suffice to convince most people that it is a bad idea. In this particular case another important reason to not have a death penalty comes to mind; that is this perpetrators possible insanity.

If he is insane something made him that way. If we study him we might figure out what that something was and avoid this situation in the future. If we keep killing are subjects of study however we may never figure them out allowing for future such incidences to occur. ;)

[No Surprise]

Pro Freedom Phil wrote:

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You must have been asleep through the Bush administration to not see a rise toward a Fascist state during his "reign". However my other two reasons; first and foremost of which is the simple fact we cannot "Correct" the death penalty if we make a mistake, should suffice to convince most people that it is a bad idea. In this particular case another important reason to not have a death penalty comes to mind; that is this perpetrators possible insanity.
If he is insane something made him that way. If we study him we might figure out what that something was and avoid this situation in the future. If we keep killing are subjects of study however we may never figure them out allowing for future such incidences to occur. ;)

Um, you made the following statement about what might take us towards a state of fascism if the death penalty is continued..."#3. Allowing the state to kill it's own people is the first step toward tyranny, totalitarianism and a Fascist state."...I showed proof by the long standing history of the US having the death penalty that the death penalty has never given to any rise to tyranny or a fascist state.
Next, we have been studying the minds of those that commit premeditated murder(s) for the last 60 years. All we have learned is their brain is a bit more whacked then those that don't commit premeditated murder(s). These people, undergoing ct scans of their brains, show they are usually hard wired for violence as most aren't. The ct scans have shown they are born with this "defect".
But, there is nothing to learn that will stop people from committing premeditated murder(s) except, them knowing what they want to do prior to doing it is wrong.
Do you know what you're doing by locking up a person who has committed a premeditated murder(s)? In most cases, you keeping them from doing it again. That means if you released them most would kill again. Most are sociopaths, they have no regret or remorse when they kill. So killing is like shaking a hand or saying hello. It means little to them regarding consequence of their actions.
These are the ones that are being kept from killing again who show they like killing who should be put to death as soon as possible.

[well]

hang em high

[Pro Freedom Phil]

No Surprise wrote:

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Um, you made the following statement about what might take us towards a state of fascism if the death penalty is continued..."#3. Allowing the state to kill it's own people is the first step toward tyranny, totalitarianism and a Fascist state."...I showed proof by the long standing history of the US having the death penalty that the death penalty has never given to any rise to tyranny or a fascist state.
Next, we have been studying the minds of those that commit premeditated murder(s) for the last 60 years. All we have learned is their brain is a bit more whacked then those that don't commit premeditated murder(s). These people, undergoing ct scans of their brains, show they are usually hard wired for violence as most aren't. The ct scans have shown they are born with this "defect".
But, there is nothing to learn that will stop people from committing premeditated murder(s) except, them knowing what they want to do prior to doing it is wrong.
Do you know what you're doing by locking up a person who has committed a premeditated murder(s)? In most cases, you keeping them from doing it again. That means if you released them most would kill again. Most are sociopaths, they have no regret or remorse when they kill. So killing is like shaking a hand or saying hello. It means little to them regarding consequence of their actions.
These are the ones that are being kept from killing again who show they like killing who should be put to death as soon as possible.

So what your saying is; sociopaths and psychopaths that kill others, do so with little or no regard as to the outcome of their killing of some person or other.

Furthermore you are saying that "society as a whole" should adopt the same policy of sociopaths and psychopaths by killing people that we believe deserve to be killed (as per capital punishment), to show that killing people, is of course,“wrong“.

Please explain it to me again with "Real Feeling" this time!

To make me "REALLY" believe in it.

BTW. Explain it to Jesus if you ever see him I'm sure he would appreciate it.

[Vet]

Pro Freedom Phil wrote:

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So what your saying is; sociopaths and psychopaths that kill others, do so with little or no regard as to the outcome of their killing of some person or other.
Furthermore you are saying that "society as a whole" should adopt the same policy of sociopaths and psychopaths by killing people that we believe deserve to be killed (as per capital punishment), to show that killing people, is of course,“wrong“.
Please explain it to me again with "Real Feeling" this time!
To make me "REALLY" believe in it.
BTW. Explain it to Jesus if you ever see him I'm sure he would appreciate it.

Capital punishment is the law of the land, get over it.

[Pro Freedom Phil]

Vet wrote:

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Capital punishment is the law of the land, get over it.

Stupidity is never good. And killing people to demonstrate to people, that it is "wrong" to kill people is STUPID. You get over it.

[Vet]

Pro Freedom Phil wrote:

<quoted text>Stupidity is never good. And killing people to demonstrate to people, that it is "wrong" to kill people is STUPID. You get over it.

Executing people is to prevent them from killing a guard , or escaping and killing innocents or to prevent loons like you from seeking their release to kill again. Get over it .

[Vet]

Pro Freedom Phil wrote:

<quoted text>Stupidity is never good. And killing people to demonstrate to people, that it is "wrong" to kill people is STUPID. You get over it.

Sounds like you might be a Socialist , pendejo . That band of lonely ,pathetic losers who normally get about .1%(that's point one per cent), in national elections.

[wondering]

he did it fry him he ont do it again

[No Surprise]

Pro Freedom Phil wrote:

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So what your saying is; sociopaths and psychopaths that kill others, do so with little or no regard as to the outcome of their killing of some person or other.
Furthermore you are saying that "society as a whole" should adopt the same policy of sociopaths and psychopaths by killing people that we believe deserve to be killed (as per capital punishment), to show that killing people, is of course,“wrong“.
Please explain it to me again with "Real Feeling" this time!
To make me "REALLY" believe in it.
BTW. Explain it to Jesus if you ever see him I'm sure he would appreciate it.

Even Jesus was for a death penalty. I'm guessing you missed his advice to those who would hurt a child(a person of innocence essentially). He said it would be better if they attached a millstone to their neck and drowned themselves. Also, Jesus didn't have any problem with his apostles being armed and ready to fight, even if it meant taking a life. Remember what Peter did when the Romans came to take Jesus away? He loped off the centurion's ear. But the ear is not what he was aiming for. Peter was aiming for his skull to split it open like you would a melon and missed.
So the next time you want to toss in the "Jesus was a pacifist" defense think twice.
Umm, what I said that you missed was people who commit premeditated murder(s) have a disregard for life itself. People who commit a single premeditated murder deserve a good examining concerning their back ground. That way the court can decide by the evidence if they are on a road to possibly kill others or if it appears by the lack of evidence it was a single solitary incident, before considering the death penalty.
But for those that have committed premeditated murders of two or more people in a single incident or in many separate incidents, no. No salvation by any court. These individuals have shown a callus behavior for life to it's greatest example. They should be executed as quickly and as efficiently as possible.
Also, when society "kills" a person, that has "killed" with premeditated purpose, yes. They are doing what that murderer has done. But not with the same premeditated purpose. Society is predetermining to taking that person's life for the preservation of other lives the murderer might other wise take while being in prison or if they were to escape.

[Pro Freedom Phil]

No Surprise wrote:

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Even Jesus was for a death penalty. I'm guessing you missed his advice to those who would hurt a child(a person of innocence essentially). He said it would be better if they attached a millstone to their neck and drowned themselves. Also, Jesus didn't have any problem with his apostles being armed and ready to fight, even if it meant taking a life. Remember what Peter did when the Romans came to take Jesus away? He loped off the centurion's ear. But the ear is not what he was aiming for. Peter was aiming for his skull to split it open like you would a melon and missed.
So the next time you want to toss in the "Jesus was a pacifist" defense think twice.
Umm, what I said that you missed was people who commit premeditated murder(s) have a disregard for life itself. People who commit a single premeditated murder deserve a good examining concerning their back ground. That way the court can decide by the evidence if they are on a road to possibly kill others or if it appears by the lack of evidence it was a single solitary incident, before considering the death penalty.
But for those that have committed premeditated murders of two or more people in a single incident or in many separate incidents, no. No salvation by any court. These individuals have shown a callus behavior for life to it's greatest example. They should be executed as quickly and as efficiently as possible.
Also, when society "kills" a person, that has "killed" with premeditated purpose, yes. They are doing what that murderer has done. But not with the same premeditated purpose. Society is predetermining to taking that person's life for the preservation of other lives the murderer might other wise take while being in prison or if they were to escape.

What you are saying,(using your own logic mind you), is that Veteran American's or Veterans of any other country, many of whom have killed thousands of people, should be immediately put to death because they exhibited a "CALLUS BEHAVIOUR TOWARD LIFE IN IT’S GREATEST EXAMPLE" to use your words?

Religion has caused the greatest amount of bloodshed of any human endeavor thus far in recorded history.

By supporting the Death Penalty and Religion, you are suggesting we continue the practice of people killing people, to show "superiority" over other people that kill people.

This type of thinking is demonstrably psychotic.

It’s akin to saying you believe 1+1=2 because 1+1=97.6
This type of thinking is Socio/Psychopathic in both it's nature and it's logic.

Your have a type of thinking that says; "Killing other people is OK!" even in the context of non-life threatening situations like prisons.

This is why the world is wired to explode into nuclear hell fire along primarily religious lines.

Your type of thinking is why humanity exists on the brink of it's own suicidal destruction.

Hope your all good with that!:)

[Noam Chomsky]

Most of the criminology evidence supports that the death penalty is not a good deteriorate. Most of the industrialized countries in the world have already gotten rid of the death penalty. I hate to say it, but what do other people around the world think of the only super power still having such barbaric punishments? And that's what the death penalty is, it's "barbarizing society".

For the humans of Earth to be more enlightened they must have mercy. Most murders are committed in the heat of the moment. Who amongst us would say that there is never a situation where they will kill someone? For example: If someone came after your kids with a knife? Would you shoot them? There have been defending parents put to death for this situation.

Even I, the bleeding heart liberal can think of a handful of situations where I would kill someone. But who are we as a society to kill people for state sanctioned death retribution? That's a stone age concept that most of the other countries have already gotten ride of.

I think you can judge a country's morals by how they treat "the death penalty debate".

A total of 69 people have been released from death row since 1973 after evidence of their innocence emerged. Twenty-one condemned inmates have been released since 1993, including seven from the state of Illinois alone. Many of these cases were discovered not because of the normal appeals process, but rather as a result of new scientific techniques, investigations by journalists, and the dedicated work of expert attorneys, not available to the typical death row inmate.

What percentage of innocent people are you OK with?

I'm OK with 0% of the people we execute be innocent. What is OK for you guys?

Put yourself in the condemned shoes and walk awhile.

Everyone should know about their countries Death Penalty rules. You can't say you don't care, because the state is killing people in YOU NAME! Think about that.

[Noam Chomsky]

No Surprise wrote:

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Even Jesus was for a death penalty. I'm guessing you missed his advice to those who would hurt a child(a person of innocence essentially). He said it would be better if they attached a millstone to their neck and drowned themselves. Also, Jesus didn't have any problem with his apostles being armed and ready to fight, even if it meant taking a life. Remember what Peter did when the Romans came to take Jesus away? He loped off the centurion's ear. But the ear is not what he was aiming for. Peter was aiming for his skull to split it open like you would a melon and missed.
So the next time you want to toss in the "Jesus was a pacifist" defense think twice.
Umm, what I said that you missed was people who commit premeditated murder(s) have a disregard for life itself. People who commit a single premeditated murder deserve a good examining concerning their back ground. That way the court can decide by the evidence if they are on a road to possibly kill others or if it appears by the lack of evidence it was a single solitary incident, before considering the death penalty.
But for those that have committed premeditated murders of two or more people in a single incident or in many separate incidents, no. No salvation by any court. These individuals have shown a callus behavior for life to it's greatest example. They should be executed as quickly and as efficiently as possible.
Also, when society "kills" a person, that has "killed" with premeditated purpose, yes. They are doing what that murderer has done. But not with the same premeditated purpose. Society is predetermining to taking that person's life for the preservation of other lives the murderer might other wise take while being in prison or if they were to escape.

I'll take your Jesus one further and say, "Thou shalt not kill".

What part of that do you not understand?

[Noam Chomsky]

No Surprise wrote:

<quoted text>
The death penalty was alive and well from the time the first Puritans came and settled here till the 1900s.
And....our country from it's infancy till now has never took it's first step towards tyranny, totalitarianism or a Fascist state because of the long standing usage of the death penalty.
So one would state from past facts of the death penality, you're being a bit extreme in your thinking :)

A bit of information for you.

Capital punishment was suspended in the United States from 1972 through 1976 primarily as a result of the Supreme Court's decision in Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972).

Then when it was reinstated it took a long time for a DA to go with a death penalty conviction because no one wanted that "title". But after the first couple of executions that broke the dam, the state started killing hundreds of people. Now though, the usage of the death penalty is going down, big time. So there is still hope for humanity.

So it's not some kind of thing that the people can't change. Heck, a lot of states already don't have the death penalty. Without looking it up, I think 15 don't have it.