Death Penalty Debate - Minneapolis, MN

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MNBeliever

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#104
Apr 19, 2011
 
exgeronimo wrote:
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The main difference is it costs the taxpayer more to execute someone than to incarcerate them for life. Dogs don't have lawyers.
Beyond that I think it is possible that jail for life is more torture than death and that they are at least able to do some labor possibly.
Yes, I agree. Legal costs are enormous for death row inmates, which is why death row is so expensive. Life in prison seems worse than death to me.
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#105
Apr 19, 2011
 
kill'em all and let god sort'em out

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#106
Apr 19, 2011
 
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So, no concern at all that the man might be innocent? Wrongly convicted, in the wrong place at the wrong time, whatever.
No concern about the weight that the executioner would feel on their conscience?
Could you do it? A man is bound and helpless in front of you, begging for his life, and you have a gun in your hand. Could you pull the trigger? Would you end that life? If yes, then I find it regrettable that you consider human life to be so valueless, so easy to end. If no... then maybe you shouldn't push that responsibility on others.
And God doesn't enter into it. Those that say that it's God's will are shifting the blame off of themselves and onto God. It's not God sticking the needle in someone's arm. It's one human being killing another human being. God isn't forcing them or telling them to do it. It's a decision they have to make, it's their responsibility, and the weight of that decision will be on their conscience for the rest of their life.
The convicted murder is to be protected and I am the bad guy? You are SO confused. Let me guess, you are a liberal that voted for Obama.

YOU have no mercy for the convicteds victims. You are willing to leave them alive and the victims to live in fear. How kind and loving of you!

Do conviction errors occur? Rarely. But if they are convicted by a jury of their peers, appeal and convicted again, I can live with that.

You would rather protect the guilty and damn the innocent. Nice job!

"A man is bound and helpless in front of you, begging for his life..."

Just like their victim! Except the convicted got to make a choice, the victim did not.

Could I do the executions? Sure. Medically, I used to care for their victims, so I feel confident that I can do that.

What do you do for the victims? Ever held a child that has been molested? How about tried to support a rape victim that does not want to be touched because she feels "dirty"? Ever had to deal with the family of someone that has been murdered?

I have. All three. What do you do besides watch TV and expect others to pay for your "friends" on the inside?

I also have friends that are convicted murderers who did their time and are outside now. Not a one of them is "right" anymore. Not one. The overwhelming shame, guilt and depression causes all of them to be in state or federal paid programs of one sort or another.

"And God doesn't enter into it. Those that say that it's God's will are shifting the blame off of themselves and onto God."

BS. From the days of the Old Testament, God gave us laws, judges and consequences.

Let me guess again. You belong to the Universalist Unitarian church.

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Apr 19, 2011
 
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Luckily for us Americans, we don't NEED to live by the "moral code of God". We live in a secular society. Morality =|= Christian values.
I actually read a really interesting piece in Time magazine about the concept of Hell in the Christian faith. Here's the link - http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,859...
Pretty powerful stuff. Although I fluctuate between Atheism/Agnosticism, I think this Rob Bell guy has it right.
If I were you Jeff, then I would certainly be wondering how the One would view such a definitive desire to kill other human beings. But I guessing you aren't concerned in the least.
We don't need to live by a moral code?

Great! What have you stolen today? Whom have you murdered?

Why have you not done those things? Where did we get those "crazy" laws that prohibit such behavior?

How does one fluctuate between Athiesm and Agnosticism? Either there is NOT a God or you just cannot prove there is a God are WORLDS apart.

Figures you are confused.

Speaking of confused, you site Time Magazine as a source of Truth? Great critical thinking skills, there, Forrest Gump! Or maybe I should call you "Slingblade"....

...but I cannot do that. The character in Slingblade had tremendous moral conviction and sacrificed himself for the boy and his mother.

More likely you are just a coward that hedges their bets on God, just in case you might get into Heaven on some Universalist "free pass".

It doesn't work that way. Want to know about Hell? Read it in the Bible. In fact, the Bible speaks of Hell more often than it does of Heaven.

Typical liberal, trying to paint me as someone who "wants to kill" another human being. Not the case at all.

However, if permanently eradicating a tiny percent of the population makes it safe for victims to heal and children to be able to play outside without fear, I am all about that.

I notice you did not comment on the 1,010,000 links on repeat child molestors I provided you earlier.

Figures.
MNBeliever

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#108
Apr 19, 2011
 
Wow, Jeff T - you're pretty nuts. The victims living in fear? The convicted murderers are behind bars for the rest of their lives.

Unfortunately, capital punishment doesn't help the grieving in the long run - they will need to resolve the terrible things that happened in another manner. Knowing that the person who committed such a heinous crime may offer some comfort, but it is not the answer to the grieving process.

You are friends with several convicted murderers, I find that incredibly hard to believe.
MNBeliever

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#109
Apr 19, 2011
 
We have societal norms that serve as moral compasses. For example, holding the door open for others. This is not found in the Bible. Similarly, I don't steal because I don't believe in taking property that belongs to others - it has nothing to do with whether it is proscribed in the Bible or not. I don't live my life by what an ancient book tells me to do or not to do. Yet, I am still a "good" person and strive to be kind to my fellow neighbors.

Do I believe in an afterlife, I am not sure at the moment. It potentially exists, but I am certain that if there is an afterlife, it is not obtained solely by following the path of Jesus Christ. I believe that if God does exist, then God is all loving and will save mankind. I don't understand what is so difficult about such thoughts. I don't claim to have the answers and anyone that does has probably failed to really grapple with such issues.

Go on and keep believing what your pastor or minister keeps telling you. No need to think about these issues for yourself. Further, my reference to Time magazine was to encourage you to read the article and think about what Mr. Bell has questioned. I wasn't citing it for any truth and more to my point above, I don't know how anyone can really say there is "truth" in religion. It is all belief.

Furthermore, the death penalty for child molesters is the exception not the rule in this country. You are far off the mainstream public opinion on whether this is appropriate. No one is suggesting that such a crime isn't reprehensible. But we as a country just don't kill child molesters. Perhaps this will evolve in the future, but it isn't true now. I don't understand what you would like me to respond to exactly.

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#110
Apr 19, 2011
 
MNBeliever wrote:
Wow, Jeff T - you're pretty nuts. The victims living in fear? The convicted murderers are behind bars for the rest of their lives.
Unfortunately, capital punishment doesn't help the grieving in the long run - they will need to resolve the terrible things that happened in another manner. Knowing that the person who committed such a heinous crime may offer some comfort, but it is not the answer to the grieving process.
You are friends with several convicted murderers, I find that incredibly hard to believe.
You want to live with murderers, rapists and child molestors and I am the one that is nuts?

Ok.

PROVE that knowing that their violator is gone does not help the grieving process...

...unless you were just vomiting out some liberal bumper sticker philosophy for us.

Here is a fun website for you to peruse...

http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/repeat_murder....

It just lists ALL the escaped and released creeps that DO IT AGAIN.

And, yes, ESCAPED.

See, when you have life in prison, you have nothing to lose.

Imagine being the mother of murder victim and in court, the murderer of your child looks at you and says "I will get you next".

Four, 10 or 20 years later, you get a call from the DOC that your childs murderer has escaped.

Can you show me the "healing process" in that?

You find it "hard to believe" that I have friends that are convicted murderers? Why?

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#111
Apr 19, 2011
 
MNBeliever wrote:
We have societal norms that serve as moral compasses. For example, holding the door open for others. This is not found in the Bible. Similarly, I don't steal because I don't believe in taking property that belongs to others - it has nothing to do with whether it is proscribed in the Bible or not. I don't live my life by what an ancient book tells me to do or not to do. Yet, I am still a "good" person and strive to be kind to my fellow neighbors.
Do I believe in an afterlife, I am not sure at the moment. It potentially exists, but I am certain that if there is an afterlife, it is not obtained solely by following the path of Jesus Christ. I believe that if God does exist, then God is all loving and will save mankind. I don't understand what is so difficult about such thoughts. I don't claim to have the answers and anyone that does has probably failed to really grapple with such issues.
Go on and keep believing what your pastor or minister keeps telling you. No need to think about these issues for yourself. Further, my reference to Time magazine was to encourage you to read the article and think about what Mr. Bell has questioned. I wasn't citing it for any truth and more to my point above, I don't know how anyone can really say there is "truth" in religion. It is all belief.
Furthermore, the death penalty for child molesters is the exception not the rule in this country. You are far off the mainstream public opinion on whether this is appropriate. No one is suggesting that such a crime isn't reprehensible. But we as a country just don't kill child molesters. Perhaps this will evolve in the future, but it isn't true now. I don't understand what you would like me to respond to exactly.
You really are fed from the "liberal trough".

"For example, holding the door open for others."

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Do you really want to get into your terrible critical thinking skills here?

You are wrong as our civil laws are based on Biblical Law. I know you don't want to or cannot admit it. That is fine. But don't give me the rope to hang you with (figuratively speaking, of course).

Don't need to listen to my minister, I read for myself, unlike liberals who take as gospel what is drooled upon them.

Yes, the death penalty for child molestation is rare.

I think that should change.

Unless you would like to take them in and have the child molestors around your children.

"I don't believe in taking property that belongs to others"

But you have no problem with people that take security, safety and life from others?
A.J.JAWORSKI

Resistencia, Argentina

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#112
May 25, 2011
 
Its Time for a channge
Brian

Lincoln, NE

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#113
May 25, 2011
 
We as a nation is cuddling these murders and it is costing tax payers. Put em out of their misery!

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#114
May 25, 2011
 
MNBeliever wrote:
Wow, Jeff T - you're pretty nuts. The victims living in fear? The convicted murderers are behind bars for the rest of their lives.
Unfortunately, capital punishment doesn't help the grieving in the long run - they will need to resolve the terrible things that happened in another manner. Knowing that the person who committed such a heinous crime may offer some comfort, but it is not the answer to the grieving process.
You are friends with several convicted murderers, I find that incredibly hard to believe.
I see you have run away, unable to answer the questions.

"...Unfortunately, capital punishment doesn't help the grieving in the long run".

Nice opinion, care to cite the sources of that?

Yeah, typical Godless liberal...run away, but don't admit your WRONG.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

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#115
May 28, 2011
 
"...Unfortunately, capital punishment doesn't help the grieving in the long run".

Nice opinion, care to cite the sources of that?
Be one to have lost someone and you'll know.
AnjaEm

Big Lake, MN

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#116
May 28, 2011
 
We apparently have little concern for destroying potential human beings, perhaps constructive lives, via abortion; and we are concerned about saving lives of people who have committed crimes against society. Seems contradictory to me.

With dwindling resources it seems inevitable that we'll have to find some kind of more expedient method of dealing with our death row inmates than life incarceration.

How crazy is it to spend money, time and effort on people who aren't rehabilitatable while others go without food, clothing, shelter?

And, while I'm at it, what's with the inhumane way we currently dispose of these people we have judged disposable? I can think of a number of painless methods which would be less distressful and less expensive than current ones used.
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Saint Paul, MN

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#117
May 29, 2011
 
Nothing short of the death penalty for this nutjob would be acceptable. Make an example out of him.
Margie

Inver Grove Heights, MN

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#118
Jul 21, 2011
 
To many have been put to death and we find out much later they are not guilty. An eye for an eye--no, the judge is the Lord. We killed because someone else killed=Does this make sense!

Since: Aug 11

Otley, UK

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#119
Aug 8, 2011
 
I'd support it to an extent. If someone's committed a chain of murders, or the murder of a child or police officer. Then yes, the death penalty should be implemented.
But in reality, death is usually quite quick. And the people who've committed these atrocities tend not to suffer enough when they die. A huge stretch in prison would probably be more of an effective punishment.

Since: Feb 13

Minneapolis, MN

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#120
Feb 6, 2013
 
Solving Murder with Murder. Is Like putting out a fire with more fire...

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