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Since: Jun 11

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#1 Jul 29, 2011
How many plans have the Republicans put forward? How many plans have the Democrats submitted?
notcaseyanthony

Fredericksburg, VA

#2 Jul 29, 2011
Go back to Clinton budget and the deficit would go away..get rid of Bush tax cuts and deficit would be gone..charge Colonial Beach Topix posters a user tax and the deficit would go away.
Linda

Alexandria, VA

#3 Jul 30, 2011
Tea party crazies are tying to destroy this country, and the whole world is being held hostage. Grow up and use your mind to think instead of signing a pledge.
im from here

Woodbridge, VA

#4 Jul 30, 2011
Linda you must support the obama socialist movement in order to make such a post! People like you and pelosi are destroying our great nation, one freedom at a time. Individuals need to be responsible and so do governments!

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#5 Jul 30, 2011
Linda wrote:
Tea party crazies are tying to destroy this country, and the whole world is being held hostage. Grow up and use your mind to think instead of signing a pledge.
We're NOT trying to destroy this country, we're trying to SAVE this country. I can't understand how people think that being fiscally responsible, cutting out waste, preserving wealth and individual freedoms can be considered "destroying the country". I have to believe that your perception of the Tea Party is based on some sort of misinformation or fantasy.
Mary Queen of Scots

Gloucester, VA

#6 Jul 30, 2011
Republicans are so disfunctional and they don't care about us at the "middle class" just so their fat cat corporate people keep sending them the big bucks to keep their power.......

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#7 Jul 30, 2011
Mary Queen of Scots wrote:
Republicans are so disfunctional and they don't care about us at the "middle class" just so their fat cat corporate people keep sending them the big bucks to keep their power.......
This is so cliche and flat out wrong. Where do you come to this conclusion?

Are you telling me that Jeff Immelt (COB/CEO of GE) is sending Republicans money? What about Steve Jobs (Apple)? How about Bill Gates (Microsoft)? How about all of Hollywood?

Now, Republicans are about getting out of the way of small and medium sized business to give them a more favorable environment to compete here in this country and in international markets, and even to this day, small and medium sized business are the greatest employers in this country, which is "taking care" of the middle class. They're about letting more people keep more of their OWN money and letting them spend it the way they see fit, not sending it all to the government to disperse it to whoever they feel like it.

BTW, with the Bush stimulus, checks were sent out to taxpayers so they could spend (or save or invest) the money. With Obama's stimulus, only corporate "fat cats" got the money. Which was better? Which was better looking out for the middle class?
peebles

Denver, CO

#8 Jul 30, 2011
Linda wrote:
Tea party crazies are tying to destroy this country, and the whole world is being held hostage. Grow up and use your mind to think instead of signing a pledge.
Keep drinking the DNC/SEIU/ACORN Kool-Aid Linda.
HB Rules

United States

#9 Jul 30, 2011
asacan wrote:
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This is so cliche and flat out wrong. Where do you come to this conclusion?
Are you telling me that Jeff Immelt (COB/CEO of GE) is sending Republicans money? What about Steve Jobs (Apple)? How about Bill Gates (Microsoft)? How about all of Hollywood?
Now, Republicans are about getting out of the way of small and medium sized business to give them a more favorable environment to compete here in this country and in international markets, and even to this day, small and medium sized business are the greatest employers in this country, which is "taking care" of the middle class. They're about letting more people keep more of their OWN money and letting them spend it the way they see fit, not sending it all to the government to disperse it to whoever they feel like it.
BTW, with the Bush stimulus, checks were sent out to taxpayers so they could spend (or save or invest) the money. With Obama's stimulus, only corporate "fat cats" got the money. Which was better? Which was better looking out for the middle class?
Its a wasted question on liberals. They think the government spends money more wisely than they do. In some ways I agree with them cause when I look at my liberal friends and the life's they lead, it looks like a crap hole.

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#10 Jul 31, 2011
HB Rules wrote:
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Its a wasted question on liberals. They think the government spends money more wisely than they do. In some ways I agree with them cause when I look at my liberal friends and the life's they lead, it looks like a crap hole.
I don't want to believe that it's a waste to try to convince people of the truth. I remember when I was a hard-core lib and believed all the stupid cliches that they spout, almost word-for-word. I remember believing that Republicans were supposedly racists, then I learned history and I saw how the actions of the Democrats, that seemed like they were trying to help the minorities, particularly blacks, were actually hurting them and encouraging them to depend on other people (i.e., government) to provide for them. Now it isn't the minorities they want depending on government, it's EVERYONE. At least they've broadened their scope some.

I believed the crap about Republicans only wanting to help the big multi-national corporations, just the really rich guys, then I learned that it was the Democrats who were in favor of those corporations, that the Republicans fight to support growing small and medium sized businesses, the entrepreneurs, the very people who grow jobs and make life better for us all. Republicans know that everyone has the capacity for success and want to create an climate where those smaller companies can compete, and stay right here in the U.S.A.

There are so many things, over and over, that on the surface make the Democrats/liberals look appealing, their stated INTENTIONS seem so caring. But when you look at the RESULTS, over and over again, you see nothing but wasted money and people worse off than they were. Look at the Social Security Ponzi scheme for example. I'll pay into SS for sixty years and never see a dime of it.

Then there is defending the traditions that has made this country what it was. I'm all for immigration, my wife is an immigrant. But they've got to enculturate themselves into our society. They need to learn to speak our language and follow our laws. There's nothing "racist" about that. I actually don't care if they learn our language, just don't expect anyone to cater to you if you can't speak the language of the populous.

In my mind, it breaks down to individual liberties. Who is trying to take that away and who is trying to defend them. Not trying to create new "rights" that never existed before. Many years ago, when I first moved to California from Virginia (thinking that I would be so much freer), I was surprised how individual liberties as whole were actually suppressed in liberal societies. And how the liberals must squash conservative ideologies, they're ideas can not compete with conservatism.

Okay, enough of my rant.
The Truth

Gloucester, VA

#11 Jul 31, 2011
Amen "asacan"! The Liberals intentionally hold down minorities by giving them hand outs. Sad part is they dont even realize it. The minorities that is. By doing so, it buys their votes come election time. Wake up America! Less government is better government!
notcaseyanthony

Fredericksburg, VA

#12 Aug 1, 2011
I hate liberals but hate conservatives more! Or is it the other way around?? Vote Independent, start a movement, elect middle of the road, common sense folks! Tea Partiers want to live in the stone ages or take us back to the "Leave it to Beaver" days...ultra-Libs are so sensitive they want to do away with smoking in the desert for fear of a cactus getting cancer. Conservatives hate radical Muslims but embrace radical Christianity..Liberals are naive that there are terrorists in the world. Conservatives love Jesus but hate poor people and love sending our troops to war!! Liberals hate christians and Christmas music at the mall! Conservatives want to take away a woman's right to choose, liberals want to take away capital punishment!! Liberals want to protect workers, even shitty ones, conservatives want to protect businessmen, even the greedy, sweatshop owners like WalMart! Wake up America! Don't listen to the nutjobs on either side of the aisle, or the posters above!!!
Clueless

Vienna, VA

#13 Aug 1, 2011
asacan wrote:
<quoted text>
This is so cliche and flat out wrong. Where do you come to this conclusion?
Are you telling me that Jeff Immelt (COB/CEO of GE) is sending Republicans money? What about Steve Jobs (Apple)? How about Bill Gates (Microsoft)? How about all of Hollywood?
Now, Republicans are about getting out of the way of small and medium sized business to give them a more favorable environment to compete here in this country and in international markets, and even to this day, small and medium sized business are the greatest employers in this country, which is "taking care" of the middle class. They're about letting more people keep more of their OWN money and letting them spend it the way they see fit, not sending it all to the government to disperse it to whoever they feel like it.
BTW, with the Bush stimulus, checks were sent out to taxpayers so they could spend (or save or invest) the money. With Obama's stimulus, only corporate "fat cats" got the money. Which was better? Which was better looking out for the middle class?
Is the same Jeffrey Immelt who is the Head of President Obama's Jobs Council?

The same Jeffrey Immelt who has moved thousands of American jobs overseas?

And is currently moving the HQ of GE's Xray business to Beijing?
cbv

Gloucester, VA

#14 Aug 1, 2011
notcaseyanthony wrote:
I hate liberals but hate conservatives more! Or is it the other way around?? Vote Independent, start a movement, elect middle of the road, common sense folks! Tea Partiers want to live in the stone ages or take us back to the "Leave it to Beaver" days...ultra-Libs are so sensitive they want to do away with smoking in the desert for fear of a cactus getting cancer. Conservatives hate radical Muslims but embrace radical Christianity..Liberals are naive that there are terrorists in the world. Conservatives love Jesus but hate poor people and love sending our troops to war!! Liberals hate christians and Christmas music at the mall! Conservatives want to take away a woman's right to choose, liberals want to take away capital punishment!! Liberals want to protect workers, even shitty ones, conservatives want to protect businessmen, even the greedy, sweatshop owners like WalMart! Wake up America! Don't listen to the nutjobs on either side of the aisle, or the posters above!!!
I'm copying these wise words to my personal file. Thank you.

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#15 Aug 1, 2011
notcaseyanthony wrote:
I hate liberals but hate conservatives more! Or is it the other way around?? Vote Independent, start a movement, elect middle of the road, common sense folks! Tea Partiers want to live in the stone ages or take us back to the "Leave it to Beaver" days...ultra-Libs are so sensitive they want to do away with smoking in the desert for fear of a cactus getting cancer. Conservatives hate radical Muslims but embrace radical Christianity..Liberals are naive that there are terrorists in the world. Conservatives love Jesus but hate poor people and love sending our troops to war!! Liberals hate christians and Christmas music at the mall! Conservatives want to take away a woman's right to choose, liberals want to take away capital punishment!! Liberals want to protect workers, even shitty ones, conservatives want to protect businessmen, even the greedy, sweatshop owners like WalMart! Wake up America! Don't listen to the nutjobs on either side of the aisle, or the posters above!!!
You're not an independent, you're obviously a liberal, I can read it in your post. You've done a real good job here of categorizing people in your mind rather than looking at people as individuals.

Independent? Middle of the road? Hah! People who call themselves independents are just too weak to take a side. I don't know, for fear of hurting someones feelings, or because they're afraid they'll be wrong. NO, no, it's because they think they're smarter than everyone else. Independents have no principles, have no beliefs, their just wishy-washy.

Here, you mixed Tea-partiers with your prejudiced view of conservatives, assuming they're all the same, showing your ignorance. Tea-partiers are essentially just people who want fiscal responsibility in government. Nothing in the tea-party agenda is social. And then, you're assuming all conservatives are social conservatives.

As for hating Muslims, I, a conservative, have been to many Muslim countries and love Muslims. I have read a good part of the Koran and know that it shares a lot with my holy scripture, the Bible. I find that most Christians and most Muslim share a good deal of beliefs. Unfortunately, there are people who read the Koran and find in it justification to enslave and destroy those of other faiths, just as some Christians might find the same justifications for causing harm to those of other faiths. But the greatest thing that God hates, and what Christians and Muslims (and Jews) should work against is wickedness.

Oh, and most conservatives very strongly believe in a "woman's right to choose". She has the right to choose not to have sex, just like the man did. If the woman didn't have the choice, then she should be allowed to have an abortion if she desires. Think of it this way, you support a woman's right to choose twice, while a man only gets to choose once.

But, continue being what you think is a spineless Independent. Who's running for that party? Oh, you don't have a candidate, you don't have a platform, you just vote Democrat. So you're a Democrat that's too afraid to admit it.

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#16 Aug 1, 2011
Clueless wrote:
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Is the same Jeffrey Immelt who is the Head of President Obama's Jobs Council?
The same Jeffrey Immelt who has moved thousands of American jobs overseas?
And is currently moving the HQ of GE's Xray business to Beijing?
Yes, that's the one.
Leeny

Gloucester, VA

#17 Aug 1, 2011
You're right, we don't care about the people who feed off the hardwork of others. Go to the foodlion today and watch the foodstamps come in. Watch as they drive away in nice cars with a bag of booze from the ABC store. Makes sense, by food with the foodstamps and by booze with the money you make while on unemployment. Pick up a little part time cash gig and you don't have to report it. The system should be simple, got legs, arms a little bit of a brain and you should have to work for your food, health care and booze. They have no shame after generations of the same family values. Beachgate Motel, westmoreland county sends its poor and addicted to this motel to get them out of their hair. CB lets the motel owner continue to harbor these folks at a nice profit. Most juristictions don't allow more than week long stays without a week long break between to ensure people are not living in motel rooms.
Mary Queen of Scots wrote:
Republicans are so disfunctional and they don't care about us at the "middle class" just so their fat cat corporate people keep sending them the big bucks to keep their power.......
notcaseyanthony

Fredericksburg, VA

#18 Aug 2, 2011
I wouldn't call rejecting fringe wackos as being spineless. I'm quite happy not being beholden to a political party, or maybe I should put it words you may understand. I'm not beholden to the NRA Mr. GOP. I'm not beholden to labor. I'm not beholden to big business. I'm not beholden to the Sierra Club. I'm not beholden to the tobacco industry. You are, quite frankly, kidding yourself to think that you are beholden to the GOP or better yet Fox News. I'm a member of a party, the American people party who are quite frankly sick and tired of both parties telling us one thing and going to DC or Richmond or Town Hall and doing jack shit, other than prepare for the next election. I have voted for moderate, middle of the road candidates in both parties.. Mark Warner, John Chichester, Albert Pollard, John Warner, all good statesmen who happen to be members of a party. Keep living in your conservative dreamworld and wake up to the reality that is 60% of the country. Tea-partiers are conservative, and if you don't realize that you are living in said dreamworld. We make decisions all of the time by voting. More importantly we put principle ahead of party. We admire those who put aside labels to do whats best for the country.
And yes we don't have an independent leader or party, but maybe that's because we are afraid those elected "independents" would crap all over their principles in a play for power.

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#19 Aug 2, 2011
notcaseyanthony wrote:
I wouldn't call rejecting fringe wackos as being spineless. I'm quite happy not being beholden to a political party, or maybe I should put it words you may understand. I'm not beholden to the NRA Mr. GOP. I'm not beholden to labor. I'm not beholden to big business. I'm not beholden to the Sierra Club. I'm not beholden to the tobacco industry. You are, quite frankly, kidding yourself to think that you are beholden to the GOP or better yet Fox News. I'm a member of a party, the American people party who are quite frankly sick and tired of both parties telling us one thing and going to DC or Richmond or Town Hall and doing jack shit, other than prepare for the next election. I have voted for moderate, middle of the road candidates in both parties.. Mark Warner, John Chichester, Albert Pollard, John Warner, all good statesmen who happen to be members of a party. Keep living in your conservative dreamworld and wake up to the reality that is 60% of the country. Tea-partiers are conservative, and if you don't realize that you are living in said dreamworld. We make decisions all of the time by voting. More importantly we put principle ahead of party. We admire those who put aside labels to do whats best for the country.
And yes we don't have an independent leader or party, but maybe that's because we are afraid those elected "independents" would crap all over their principles in a play for power.
Fringe wackos? Independents are not 60% of the population as you claim. Independents are actually more like 20% of the population. And what are the planks in your party's platform? Take money from the rich and disperse it to political allies, just as your president's stimulus did?

Yes, I said spineless. What do you fight for? What do you defend? You fight for the American people? How? I spent twenty years in the United States Navy, and although I never actually saw combat (we shot some missiles), I was there and ready, serving our country's national interests day and night. When it comes down to fighting for anything and defending anything, what do independents do? What are you willing to put your life up for to defend? I will lie my life on the line for individual liberties as spelled out in the Constitution, and I've walked where my mouth is.

There are some other wackos that you should look up, some who were born right here in our area. People like James Madison, James Monroe, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay. There were a number of people back in their day that called them wackos, too.
HB Rules

United States

#20 Aug 2, 2011
notcaseyanthony wrote:
I wouldn't call rejecting fringe wackos as being spineless. I'm quite happy not being beholden to a political party, or maybe I should put it words you may understand. I'm not beholden to the NRA Mr. GOP. I'm not beholden to labor. I'm not beholden to big business. I'm not beholden to the Sierra Club. I'm not beholden to the tobacco industry. You are, quite frankly, kidding yourself to think that you are beholden to the GOP or better yet Fox News. I'm a member of a party, the American people party who are quite frankly sick and tired of both parties telling us one thing and going to DC or Richmond or Town Hall and doing jack shit, other than prepare for the next election. I have voted for moderate, middle of the road candidates in both parties.. Mark Warner, John Chichester, Albert Pollard, John Warner, all good statesmen who happen to be members of a party. Keep living in your conservative dreamworld and wake up to the reality that is 60% of the country. Tea-partiers are conservative, and if you don't realize that you are living in said dreamworld. We make decisions all of the time by voting. More importantly we put principle ahead of party. We admire those who put aside labels to do whats best for the country.
And yes we don't have an independent leader or party, but maybe that's because we are afraid those elected "independents" would crap all over their principles in a play for power.
These politicians you name are nothing but clones of each other. I have had the pleasure of having many conversations with one of these sham artist you have named. He will lie like a rug. Increase taxes because government needs it more than you. Also he knows how to spend your money better cause he is smarter than the average citizen. Oh and the people are here to serve the government, its not the government is here to serve the people. I hope you did not vote to many times for him cause he has nothing but contempt for anyone not in the upper class and educated at the finest of universities.

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