Abortion Debate - Paris, TX

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When should abortion be legal?

Paris says always legal.
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#165
Mar 14, 2012
 
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She has had a problem with Christians ever since she started posting on topix, even when she was posting as A Question. She has targeted SF, but she has some deep rooted problems with Christians that's for sure. I think it's because her Mom and Dad drug her to the First Assembly of God against her will.
A person would have a problem with another poster only if they allowed it to be. SF is a wonderful example of a wannabe Christian. It is easy to use her words as examples of hypocritical behavior. I'm sure all the good folks at First Baptist Church, in downtown Paris, cringe when she walks in the sanctuary, now that everyone knows who she is.

You, on the other hand, don't even make "good copy."

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#166
Mar 14, 2012
 
Nobody Gets It wrote:
<quoted text>Also, if a woman gets pregnant and you'd made abortion illegal and unavailable to her, who pays for her prenatal and postnatal care?
The taxpayer, same as now.

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#167
Mar 14, 2012
 
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The taxpayer, same as now.
So where exactly is this money going to come from? There are millions of abortions in the US every year. If you don't think the government should be in the business of forcing insurers to pay for contraceptive coverage, and you don't think abortion should be legal, where are you going to get the money to pay for the millions of children that will be born as a result? It's not like the US government has money to spare right now. Are you willing to pay more taxes to end abortion? What rate would you be willing to pay to see abortion end forever? 40%? 50%? 70%? 90%? Surely if you think abortion is murder then you would be willing to forfeit 100% of your income to ensure that it never happens again. Are you willing to give up all of your income if abortion is outlawed? If not, you're just another hypocrite. If so, why aren't you putting 100% of your income towards stopping it now?
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#168
Mar 14, 2012
 
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That has nothing to do with the baby. The baby does not deserve to be murdered because of its dad. Tim Tebows mother was told she should have an abortion because her son probably would be stillborn but if it lived, it would have horrible physical problems. Doctors make mistakes. God doesn't.
Rule #1: Life isn't always fair. So now a nonfeeling, nonthinking fetus has more rights than a fully developed functioning woman?! SICK SICK SICK. So Hitler wasn't a mistake? Ever think God allowed science to progress in order for safe abortions to be available?
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#169
Mar 14, 2012
 
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A man's body his choice. Is is proper for a man, in control of his body, which is his to use as he sees fit to strangle his wife? Is there another party in an abortion in addition to the woman?
When I can demand you get a vascetomy then you can have a say on my uterus- comprehende amigo?
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#170
Mar 14, 2012
 
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That is a pretty idiotic argument. If women screw up and get pregnant when they don't want to, the woman and the man should have to share the responsibility. Your silly screams about the vote and work are just that, silly. We are talking about murder, not some Gloria Steinem rant. There is no correlation between murdering a defensless baby and voting. You sound like you are guilty of doing it and trying to assuage your guilt by screaming about your rights. Pretty selfish to equate a baby's life to a job or voting. Pitiful
SCOTUS thankfully disagrees with you and so do I...murder is illegal, abortion is not. Try again.
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#171
Mar 14, 2012
 
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That is the whole point. You got a chance to see what you almost destroyed. You could have taken that precious babies life away from its dad, your family and everyone else that loves it for one selfish act to show you are a woman and you can roar. Too many women use abortion as birth control without even believing they are destroying life. You didn't and you were blessed. How many million little babies like yours have been thrown in the trash can or cut up into small pieces to facilitate removal? Do you know that in a lot of cases the doctor actually kills the baby prior to aborting it? What would you do to someone if they tried to hurt your baby? Think about it.
Sorry, not all men want to be fathers- please refer to the amount of bench warrants out for deadbeat dads. You assume too much. Secondly, unless you are going to physically go through the pregnancy yourself, you can whine and cry about it all you want- but you don't get the ultimate say. Ideally, both partners should be allowed to express their opinions and concerns but ultimately its the womans decision. Period. Don't be so dramatic- cutterage makes up a small percent of abortions, most are done way before that is necessary.

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#172
Mar 19, 2012
 
Nobody Gets It wrote:
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So where exactly is this money going to come from? There are millions of abortions in the US every year. If you don't think the government should be in the business of forcing insurers to pay for contraceptive coverage, and you don't think abortion should be legal, where are you going to get the money to pay for the millions of children that will be born as a result? It's not like the US government has money to spare right now. Are you willing to pay more taxes to end abortion? What rate would you be willing to pay to see abortion end forever? 40%? 50%? 70%? 90%? Surely if you think abortion is murder then you would be willing to forfeit 100% of your income to ensure that it never happens again. Are you willing to give up all of your income if abortion is outlawed? If not, you're just another hypocrite. If so, why aren't you putting 100% of your income towards stopping it now?
As stated on another thread, you are an idiot (using your word) to suppose anything about my views on abortion. I have clearly stated before that I am pro-choice, so you will have to take your rants elsewhere.

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#173
Mar 19, 2012
 
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She has had a problem with Christians ever since she started posting on topix, even when she was posting as A Question. She has targeted SF, but she has some deep rooted problems with Christians that's for sure. I think it's because her Mom and Dad drug her to the First Assembly of God against her will.
Actually, I've never been to an Assembly of God church. Do they have good "dinner on the grounds?"
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#174
May 27, 2012
 
Anytime before 2nd trimester, and only after that if it endangers the life of the mother.

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#175
Aug 28, 2012
 
Lifes a beach wrote:
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Sorry, not all men want to be fathers- please refer to the amount of bench warrants out for deadbeat dads. You assume too much. Secondly, unless you are going to physically go through the pregnancy yourself, you can whine and cry about it all you want- but you don't get the ultimate say. Ideally, both partners should be allowed to express their opinions and concerns but ultimately its the womans decision. Period. Don't be so dramatic- cutterage makes up a small percent of abortions, most are done way before that is necessary.
And their are a lot of men who want their babies and should have a right to them... they made the choice to have sex together... so this choice should be made together!

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#176
Aug 28, 2012
 
Gensis6 wrote:
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And their are a lot of men who want their babies and should have a right to them... they made the choice to have sex together... so this choice should be made together!
So what happens when the father wants to keep the baby but the mother wants to terminate the pregnancy? Hint: it's the mother's choice, always.

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#177
Aug 29, 2012
 
Nobody Gets It wrote:
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So what happens when the father wants to keep the baby but the mother wants to terminate the pregnancy? Hint: it's the mother's choice, always.
Like I said they both had sex, she should have thought about it then! Abortion is murder, no matter what the mother decides! Or the father for that matter!

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#178
Aug 30, 2012
 
One other point I would like to make... and you can do your own homework on this... 97% of all women world wide have some kind of health problem/s from abortions... one reason the goverment is pushing for abortion so strongly is for population control! I don't want to be like China... do you?
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#179
Sep 10, 2012
 
Gensis6 wrote:
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And their are a lot of men who want their babies and should have a right to them... they made the choice to have sex together... so this choice should be made together!
Nope sorry there is no right to reproduce. Are you insinuating rape or forcible pregnancy? It's her body, when men can carry the fetus for the duration than they can decide. I'm not saying in a healthy relationship there shouldn't be at least a bit of input from the man but ultimately its her decision and a true man respects that and supports it. 2 minutes of getting off in someone is not equivalent, I'm sorry but no dice. That's like investing $5 in Apple and expecting to have controlling shares.
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#180
Sep 10, 2012
 
Gensis6 wrote:
One other point I would like to make... and you can do your own homework on this... 97% of all women world wide have some kind of health problem/s from abortions... one reason the goverment is pushing for abortion so strongly is for population control! I don't want to be like China... do you?
I don't think anyone is condoning FORCIBLE abortions, that is just plain disgusting. Rather most pro-choicers respect a woman's CHOICE to abort if she chooses. And btw, pregnancy is more physically risky and harming then early term abortions, generally speaking. Also, are you calculating in countries where abortion practices are illegal and therefore not under strict health regulations?
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#181
Sep 10, 2012
 
I have given birth, so I guess I can offer an oppinion based on your logic. To start off with, i must ask: Do you really believe that selfish, stinking, pile of crap you just threw on the table? Based on that, these are the questions/truths that i have for you.....#1 a sperm by itself is not a baby, the sperm united with a woman's egg makes a baby...health 101.#2 I see you are agnostic, that tells me you are blind to truth, which honestly is very sad to me, and tells me I will convince you of nothing with this post. The question in connecftion to that thought is this: where do you gt your hope? Do you have hope? What do you believe will happen to you and your child when you die? Is this why you do not respect life?#3 I m so tired of abortion bing a "controversial" issue, how is murder controversial? By your reasoning it would be ok for you to kill the kid you have now, and no one could say a word...your kid, your choice. How does that make any sense at all? Please explain the difference, inquiring minds want to know.#4 if you decide to be gown up enough to have sex, be aware of the consequences of sex! If you are not aware of how babies are created, and smart enough not to have sex with somone you dont want a baby by, then you better atleast be woman enough to deal with the consequences. No question, just fact.#5 how can you be more concerned about a woman dying in a back alley abortion, because of a decision that she made, than you are about the death of an innocent baby, also because of a decision that she made? For the sake of this post rape is excluded from all examples.
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Actually, troglodyte, I have never had an abortion, but if I chose to that should be between me and whatever god I choose not to worship. My argument is not silly, because these are all womans rights issues, and before abortions were legalized women were dying by the thousands. Those are facts. Your argument however is based on opinion...for instance, that that is a baby. Thats not a baby. Its the possibility of a baby. If they outlaw abortions, I want them to outlaw jacking off...think of all those potential babies dying in dirty socks and hotel room sheets bwahaha...now thats a silly argument a$shat. Its not a person, therefore its not murder. I'm assuming your a man based on the blustering style of your argument, and if so, then you don't deserve an opinion until you've given birth.
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#183
Sep 11, 2012
 
Truth wrote:
I have given birth, so I guess I can offer an oppinion based on your logic. To start off with, i must ask: Do you really believe that selfish, stinking, pile of crap you just threw on the table? Based on that, these are the questions/truths that i have for you.....#1 a sperm by itself is not a baby, the sperm united with a woman's egg makes a baby...health 101.#2 I see you are agnostic, that tells me you are blind to truth, which honestly is very sad to me, and tells me I will convince you of nothing with this post. The question in connecftion to that thought is this: where do you gt your hope? Do you have hope? What do you believe will happen to you and your child when you die? Is this why you do not respect life?#3 I m so tired of abortion bing a "controversial" issue, how is murder controversial? By your reasoning it would be ok for you to kill the kid you have now, and no one could say a word...your kid, your choice. How does that make any sense at all? Please explain the difference, inquiring minds want to know.#4 if you decide to be gown up enough to have sex, be aware of the consequences of sex! If you are not aware of how babies are created, and smart enough not to have sex with somone you dont want a baby by, then you better atleast be woman enough to deal with the consequences. No question, just fact.#5 how can you be more concerned about a woman dying in a back alley abortion, because of a decision that she made, than you are about the death of an innocent baby, also because of a decision that she made? For the sake of this post rape is excluded from all examples.
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Would you like a medal for giving birth?

A sperm and ova unite to form a zygote is not a baby so wrong.

No true Christian would berate someone like this- truly pathetic.

There are pro-choice Christians and abortion as a "sin" is between God and the woman and is none of your business, period.

Sex is a pleasureable act within a healthy adult relationship- it's sole purpose is not procreation, try again. Just because one does not want to have children, doesn't mean they have to automatically abstain from sex.

Murder is a legal term, abortion does not apply and your opinion is not going to change that FACT.

No mention of the man's responsibility. Typical.

Hmmm let's see because the woman is a living, breathing, sentient person, who can feel pain and who in reality will be missed by people and probably in some way contributed to the world and the people around her, an early term fetus is not any of those.(Same with a born child)

Do us all a favor, next time you think about popping a kid out of that uneducated grammatically horrific vagina of yours, don't. Go back to school instead and actually contribute something of actual worth.
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#184
Sep 11, 2012
 
So you think because I am Christian that I have no voice, since I am Christian I cannot speak out about what truth is? I did not say anything in a bashing, or hateful manner. Like I said, being blind to truth, I already know that you won't agree with me. Instead because I believe in life, you will bash and spew hate, which is exactly what you say Christans do. Hypocritical? Not to mention, i never condemned a woman to hell for hving an abortion, of course jt is a sin like any other. Since when have Christans believed that freely sinning is ok? Never, but the world accuses us of jundging just because we are saying what the bible says. You will hear what you want o hear, it doesnt matter what i say. Because you dont believe like me, you automatically hate, and disreguard me. Any clear minded person would not have taken offense to what I said......I think you have a chip on your shoulder, and you are in pain. I will remember to pray for you.
I am not going to address anything else you said, I have already said what I need to say, you will believe the lies satan has told you, until you are set free.
Matthew 7:13
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many"
lifes a beach wrote:
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Would you like a medal for giving birth? I was responding to someone els in case you didn't notice...
A sperm and ova unite to form a zygote is not a baby so wrong.
No true Christian would berate someone like this- truly pathetic.
There are pro-choice Christians and abortion as a "sin" is between God and the woman and is none of your business, period.
Sex is a pleasureable act within a healthy adult relationship- it's sole purpose is not procreation, try again. Just because one does not want to have children, doesn't mean they have to automatically abstain from sex.
Murder is a legal term, abortion does not apply and your opinion is not going to change that FACT.
No mention of the man's responsibility. Typical.
Hmmm let's see because the woman is a living, breathing, sentient person, who can feel pain and who in reality will be missed by people and probably in some way contributed to the world and the people around her, an early term fetus is not any of those.(Same with a born child)
Do us all a favor, next time you think about popping a kid out of that uneducated grammatically horrific vagina of yours, don't. Go back to school instead and actually contribute something of actual worth.
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#185
Sep 11, 2012
 
I notice you are all over this thread. That says to me that you are trying to defend, and validate to yourself. Most people will not get so offended by people being pro life, unless theyre trying to defend themselves. I hope that you haven't been through the pain of an abortion "life's a beach", but if you have then maybe you can forgive yourself, and admit that abortion does not benefit women. It's not just about the baby, the woman is scarred emotionally, sometimes physically forever. Many women say they will never be the same. I am not saying that you have, because I don't know you...what I am saying is I hope you don't know that pain.

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