Abortion Debate - Jonesboro, AR

Discuss the national Abortion Debate in Jonesboro, AR.

When should abortion be legal?

Jonesboro says never.
Never
 
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In all cases
 
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Exceptions only...
 
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Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#499 Dec 3, 2012
The courts act on behalf of the child mot the mother supposedly they will and do force payment. Failure will result in JAIL!

That's the law yet you don't support it. I thought the law was always right???
Guess you pick and chose which laws to go by based on what YOU want. All about you again!!
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#500 Dec 3, 2012
I really feel sorry for the kids you take care of.
I wonder how bad they are treated????
Anonymous

Jonesboro, AR

#501 Dec 3, 2012
Brooke Mason wrote:
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I'll reply to this first.
Einstein's IQ score of 163 is a scaled number that reflects what he likely would have scored in the present. I read you post in its entirety. I can read your post and still find it absolute rubbish. The likelihood of your daughter having a 172 IQ is very slim, and slimmer still your claim that yours is anywhere close to hers (especially considering our IQs drop as we get older, because our brains deteriorate over time). Given that I work with special needs children, I know what an average, above-average, and genius-level IQ are. I am 10 points below genius with a score of 126, and that was when I was 16 years old (I am now 21). I'm probably right around 130 now. After 26, scores begin to decline. Psychologists recommend testing every 4 years.
Yes. I most certainly DID give you a specific book, chapter and verse. Go back and read. You want to throw claims that I don't read your posts, and you most certainly did not read mine. I gave you TWO verses, actually--not just one.
No, I have not had an abortion. I hope I am never put in a situation where I need one. Most certainly if I were raped, I -would- go through all the necessary measures as you just listed...but even those are not 100% preventable, and in the event that they all failed, I would still get an abortion. Those of us who practice safe sex, who ARE responsible, should not be punished/forcibly burdened when shit happens just because other people live racy lifestyles.
I'll use whatever fucking language I feel like fucking using. Me using the word FUCK is no more offensive than Dick over there spewing bile and screaming "MURDERER" in every post. And, by the way--neither one of you have given any ACTUAL academic evidence to support your side of the argument. You both have done nothing but appeal to ethos, which is a fallacy, and therefor, irrelevant.
Actually, you can't use any language you want to. You have been reported. It may take a while, but you will not be able to post using the same name, smartphone or computer. They are traceable. You'll have to use someone else's and change your name.
I'm sure my IQ is not as high as it used to be, but I can still do nuclear physics for my job.
I went back and reread your posts. You just spouted off stuff you said was from the Bible. You did not name the Book, chapter or verse. Also, you must not be a Christian if you believe what you said second that God says life begins at conception.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#502 Dec 3, 2012
Ibelieve abortion is completely alright, Ive had one. Tell me why its not okay to kill something tht didnt even live yet, if you arent ready then yu arent ready. I am pro abortion because in my life I have gotten raped 17 times by 29 people, I have gotten hit by a car and broke my pelvis, leg, arm both feet, and have brain damage. I cant remember anything before march really, I will walk with a limp as my leg is broken for the rest of my life. I have been beaten by so many males and didnt even so much as hit back. My best friend/girlfriend pushed me in front of that car . My other 2 bestfriends jumped me after I saved their lives from an overdose, I was pregnant then , they beat my baby to death I was heart broken, i was gonna have tht kid, you know how i said i broke my pelvis, they weight from the kid inside my would have shattered my pelvis and id be crippled for life, when my pelvis shattered i might have internally bleed and died, if i would give natural child birth i would deffinately die, when i lost that kid , my kid tht i was gonna have and take care of tht would have been beautiful i was so sad i still am, i havent left my house since my parents dont even know. Thsts not even half of the story.So go ahead Tell me why its so bad to not wanna bring another person into this horrible place filled with pain I dont ever want my child to go through what i have and am. Most suprising part of all of that is tht I am 15 years old, no I dont hang with the wrong crowd, cuz i always change my friends bad things still always happen.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#503 Dec 3, 2012
Abortion is wrong wrote:
I have talked to a young 17 year old girl about her options of aborting the baby. She told me she didnt wont the hassle of a baby while she was in school. She had a true opinion. But what about the baby. What if your mom aborted you? Taken away your life for her self needs. If you kill your baby, you are killing your first son/daughter. Your depriving them of that life. They could be astronauts or be the next bill gates. But selfish needs says "all me!". Think about the baby before yourself. Think about God's gift of life.
I would honestly be so happy if my parents aborted me I cant take this pain anymore its too much to handle. Ive given up because bad things always happen, if someone feels that they DONT wanna make anothers life horrible then they dont have to. I sure know I wouldnt wanna have a kid if I was living on the streets cuz my parent kicked me out cuz i was pregnant, why would one bring another to this world when they know its gonna suffer.

“The Ice Princess of Topix”

Since: Nov 11

Cabot, Arkansas

#504 Dec 3, 2012
Post number 471, a few pages back. Yes, I most certainly DID name actual books, chapters and verses. Again, you apparently can't read. Nuclear physics? I thought you said you were in healthcare? My significant other is a nuclear engineer for the Navy, and made a 97 on the ASVAB. Still doesn't have an IQ that goes above Einstein's.

Also, the children I take care of are treated with love and care like I would treat any child. I love this ridiculous stigma that pro-choice women just MUST be terrible human beings that have no heart. It just goes to show how ignorant the population is, and how hell-bent on demonizing people the pro-lifers are.

Also, no. I am not a Christian. I am a Pagan. Though why my religion matters to you, I have no idea. I used the Bible as a historical text because you made the claim that people back then knew nothing of abortion.
Yeah ok

Conway, AR

#505 Dec 3, 2012
x3megpg3x wrote:
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I would honestly be so happy if my parents aborted me I cant take this pain anymore its too much to handle. Ive given up because bad things always happen, if someone feels that they DONT wanna make anothers life horrible then they dont have to. I sure know I wouldnt wanna have a kid if I was living on the streets cuz my parent kicked me out cuz i was pregnant, why would one bring another to this world when they know its gonna suffer.
Sounds legit....Troll isnt a good troll at all.
Jack

Pahrump, NV

#506 Dec 3, 2012
Read about the atrocities that we have committed an try to justifythem.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#507 Dec 3, 2012
BelinKS wrote:
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The difference is did a person have an abortion for their own convenience, or a legitimate health problem? One is murder, the other is to save your life.
No, for the final time, murder is a legal definition and a punishable crime, abortion is not. If you wish to saying killing then by all means but you look ridiculous referring abortion to murder, which it simply is legally not.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#508 Dec 3, 2012
BelinKS wrote:
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I'm glad your not the same one. I am glad that you had a loving aunt to raise you. I'm also glad that your messed up mother chose not to abort you. Lots of addicts choose abortion because they would be in big trouble giving birth to a baby with drugs in their system.
As for the consideration of "legal" terms. Because abortion is legal, it technically is not called "murder". The people who call abortion murder do not accept the legal definition, as is their right. There are other "legal" things I don't agree with. There are also illegal things that I feel should be legal. Before Roe vs Wade, abortion was considered murder. Laws change, people change. I do not think Roe vs Wade will be overturned, but I do think they need to tighten the reigns on what qualifies as a legal abortion and how far into the pregnancy should be reduced. I was very glad when partial birth abortions were done away with. We may not be able to ever get abortion illegal again, but we can put controls in place that limits the amount of abortions done. It also the slides into embryonic stem cell research. There is no reason to create embryos to get the type of stem cells they want. They can get the same results from cord blood stem cells. Think about how many umbilical cords are thrown as medical waste across the United States. There is a never ending supply of those stem cells. There is no reason to create embryos just to destroy them for research. President Bush put a halt to the creation of any new embryos, but that they could use the ones already created. President Obama, without knowing there was another viable resource to get the stem cells, over turned it. There's just no reason to kill human babies, whether you call them embryos or a fetus. From the moment of conception, that is a human life.
Most addicts I know didn't have the mercy to abort and created a world of struggle and pain to their subsequently born babies, many of whom are severely handicapped- mentally and physically. Also, most of the women I know who had abortions were hardworking, successful, highly educated women who had no real issues with substance abuse.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#509 Dec 3, 2012
Dick wrote:
You admit the fetus is living. Therefor to cease it from living is killing. And if it is living then it is its own organism NOT part of the mothers body. Just in the woman's body.
That also means it is alive thereby should be given rights but is not. Just like women in earlier times and blacks. Doesn't mean the law is right!!
And I could care less what she does with her body as long as it doesn't effect others. She can use her body to harm others ect.
The baby is living as you said so let her do anything to her body as long as it doesn't effect the living baby.
You are almost there!
You can kill your own brain cells (which are living) and which are part of your body. Abortion is justified killing.

“The Ice Princess of Topix”

Since: Nov 11

Cabot, Arkansas

#510 Dec 3, 2012
I'm still able to post. Lul.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#511 Dec 3, 2012
Dick wrote:
Your wrong on so many levels. One the law changes so therefor it cannot be correct all the time and you refuse to recognize the flaws in the law unless YOU don't agree. Self centered.
Also you admit it is alive the. Claim it is. Potiental life then back to calling it a child.
You just make any statement without regard to truth or consistency.
Again you think you are all that matters. It's all about you. Self centered
Every so called argument you make to justify killing your baby I have proven you to be wrong.
The only fact is. The law allows women to murder there children to a certain point in time After an arbitrarily time it becomes unlawful there for at that point the same act be ones legally murder.
The law was written to gain votes for elected officials that write the laws.
Laws can and do change.
For the few abortions that are done for medical reasons ( which I oppose) abortions are no more than murder for convience and money.
No different than killing someone for there money or because they are an I convience for you. Which I'm sure you would think is wrong.
Abortion can easily be equated to the Texas cheerleader killing. Kill another girl who is better than than your kid but if they die then you get what you want a spot on the squad. A mom kills her baby because it would just create a burden on her. No difference.
You want to argue that all abortions is ok based on health of the mother.
But the fact still remains 94% of all abortions has nothing to do with health of the mother!!!
Your hypocritical. And promote murder for convience. And to say the least deceitful and dishonest.
I can see perhaps I. A few instances in the health of the mother when the baby will probably not survive. Yes.
But people know that the risk of pregnancy occurs every time you have sex and you assume that risk!!
You assume the risk that you can die in a car wreck every time you get in a car If the risk is too high don't participate in the activity. If you chose to participate do t kill other innocent people because you don't like the out come!!!
Not sure if you are addressing me but just to clarify, a fetus is living; however, not a person. The potential I was speaking of was the potential of personhood, not life. Furthermore, a fetus is not a child but has the potential to be born as an infant and grow as a child. I have spent over a few hours analyzing the flaws in the Roe v. Wade decision and opinion; however, the basic principle allowing abortion to be a legal option is fairly strong (constitutionally speaking) and I highly doubt it will ever be directly overturned. Nope sorry, others do not physically affect my body; therefore, this analogy is not relevant. Personal autonomy is not comparable to robbery.

The point being is I don't care if you like my decision or not and I don't care if you agree with my justifications. It's not a matter of right or wrong but a matter of personal choice, so your opinion of my decisions is irrelevant and I think that's what seems to sincerely bother you. That the fact remains- you simply have no say.

Right and just as you assume the risk to get injured in a car accident, you don't automatically consent to it; however, you can choose to receive medical treatment subsequently as well. Similar to abortion.

I can and I will do whatever I feel is the best decision and theres not a darn thing you can do or say to prevent that, period.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#512 Dec 3, 2012
BelinKS wrote:
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My life's story is far from cute! Are you that unfeeling? Maybe that's why you won't even budge or give your personal reason for believing the way you do. This issue is not just politics or legality. It's one you have to feel! Not just quote what everyone already knows about the legality of abortion. Believe me, we already know. In the poll I voted for abortions only under certain circumstances. Not exactly for the reasons they wrote. Life of the mother, yes. Also, from my own circumstances when it is known the child would suffer immensely and die anyway.
You are trying to subject others to your emotionalism without realizing that everyone has different background, stories and experiences as well and that's why it's so important not to impose your own beliefs on others bodies.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#513 Dec 3, 2012
BelinKS wrote:
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That may be your own protection mechanism to deal with having an abortion. That way you don't have to feel it.
How disgustingly presumptuous of you...

Not everyone regrets their decision to abort, in fact, most women don't. Fact.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#514 Dec 3, 2012
BelinKS wrote:
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I completely agree that if you were to keep the child, it would be your burden. If you are raped, go to the emergency room and get the morning after pill. If you chose to not go to the ER, even though that's the only way they can convict the rapist, the morning after pill is sold over the counter at most pharmacies. There is a simple way out of getting pregnant because you were raped.
There's also no reason to use foul language. Just by using that word, people on this post are not going to take you as seriously anymore.
The morning after pill is not 100% effective. It can and does fail, although this is solid advice, there needs to be note of cases where failure occurs.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#515 Dec 3, 2012
Dick wrote:
Sorry to hear about your lose. Losing a child is the worst.
As I have said the mom had an abortion of my child and it still haunts me more than 25 years later! I do have another child now. And if she died I wouldn't feel any more pain for her than I do the aborted on. They are both my children.
I know calling them baby killers is harsh and some have a problem being that harsh.
I have lived it Abortion is harsh At least for this dad!!
That's sick- even my extremely pro-life family differentiates between the close bond they have with one another rather than a fetus. Sounds like you're not even very close with your present child if you don't have anymore attachment to him/her than something you had never even met. Wow, that's seriously sick.
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#516 Dec 3, 2012
You don't have to have net someone to live them.
How long die it take after you meet someone before you live them?? Weeks years ??
So your week old child is less loved than a 10 year old child?? Your the sick one. But then again you have no problem murdering your kids!!!
Says a lot about you.

Someone posted that a fetus is living but not a person. When and what make them a person.???
Jack

Pahrump, NV

#517 Dec 3, 2012
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Hey Dick, read about the atrocities we have committed on live people. How come your not protesting these things.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#518 Dec 3, 2012
Dick wrote:
You don't have to have net someone to live them.
How long die it take after you meet someone before you live them?? Weeks years ??
So your week old child is less loved than a 10 year old child?? Your the sick one. But then again you have no problem murdering your kids!!!
Says a lot about you.
Someone posted that a fetus is living but not a person. When and what make them a person.???
You are comparing a baby you've met with something you haven't. At this point a born child with their own personality and all the wonderful things that comes with parental bonding with a BORN sentient child. Regardless of what you think on this issue, please do me a favor and do not tell your child that they are as loved as a fetus you never even met- that just seems so irreparably hurtful and detrimental to the born child.

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