Abortion Debate - Jonesboro, AR

Discuss the national Abortion Debate in Jonesboro, AR.

When should abortion be legal?

Jonesboro says never.
Never
 
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In all cases
 
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Exceptions only...
 
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lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#417 Nov 28, 2012
Dick wrote:
Poor Brooke. The baby killer.
Your unfounded claim of men wanting to control a woman and her body is absurd.
It's not about you but you ego just can't grasp that!
It is a baby. Which is as much a mans as a woman's. see it takes two to make a baby.
It is is a clump of cells just like all people
It is not a parasite!
It is not part of your anatomy.
It deserves life!! Not death!!!
Women die from abortions.
It is the mans choice to. He had the sperm.
You think you own it and it is part of your body because it is inside you.
So did you own that dick that was inside you??
How many dicks does a woman own in he life time?
Guess that vibrator is part of your body to. And the tampons??
Since you like anal sex so much i suggest you stoke to that That way you don't have to kill any MORE babies.
You are so predictable. When you can't back up your claims you just declare everyone else stupid and call names and invent issues that have nothing to do with it and claim discrimination.
Like the comment about me wanting to control your body. I do t really want to be responsable for that 300 lbs.
I guess all those women that are against abortion just wants to control your body too?
Oh that don't fit into your argument that MEN want yo control you.
Try and get your story straight then argue.
Try learning logic and basic anatomy. And look up parasite too!!!
Nope, that law and biology says otherwise. It's the woman's choice ultimately and no one elses. Once the sperm has left the man, he no longer has a claim to it.

No, we think it is part of our body because it is not viable up until a certain point without that woman's body. A vibrator is viable, or at least until the batteries die and need replacement haha.
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#418 Nov 28, 2012
Joe wrote:
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Hey Dick, how many living babies have we killed in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan? Start protesting that or is that ok to you?
a small fraction of the more than one million babies killed here. I will leave those for you to take care of.
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#419 Nov 28, 2012
Brooke Mason wrote:
It is a fetus. It is not a baby. By definition, SCIENTIFIC definition, it is a parasite. Women die from giving birth, too, so that argument is completely irrelevant. A man is nothing more than a sperm donor--once that sperm leaves his body, it's no longer his choice to do ANYTHING. It is part of my body because it is in MY uterus feeding off of MY body. If I don't want it there, I don't have to have it there. Plain and simple.
I also have no idea where you get the idea that I have anal sex. It's really hard to have anal sex when I don't have sex with men. Also, most women that are against abortion were raised in Evangelical homes and have been brainwashed to believe that a man rules the household and that God decides their fate instead of them taking control of their own lives.
You still have yet to provide any SCIENTIFIC evidence to support anything you've said thus far. All you've babbled on about is your own deluded rhetoric. Quite honestly, it's getting old. Next!
No it is not a parasite. You dumb ass!!!

It is you that says its ok to kill the baby if it is can kill the mom. But you say it is ok to kill the baby even if it kills the mom. So to protect them mom. Your argument is bull shit!!!

If it is no longer his when he as you say donates the sperm how can it be his after it is born.
Again you want your cake and eat it.

You say most women against abortion are due to the church and all its wrong teaching and due to a make believe god.
So now explain why all those other women know abortion is wrong????
Just look at any anatomy book and you won't find any that says the baby is part of the woman's body !!!
You can't find one that says its is a parasite either!!

So your argument still remains wrong and utterly ridiculous !!
As to the anal sex. I must have confused you with anther poster that talked about that. Sorry. I forgot you were a carpers muncher!!

I can see why you don't believe in god I don't believe either but for different reasons. I do believe that the basic teachers and morals are good right and just. I just don't believe a supreme being wrote them just some good men and women.
You reject it because it is opposite of how you live
Killing innocent babies. Gay ect.
Perhaps one day they will find a cure for you gay illness.
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#420 Nov 28, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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Nope, that law and biology says otherwise. It's the woman's choice ultimately and no one elses. Once the sperm has left the man, he no longer has a claim to it.
No, we think it is part of our body because it is not viable up until a certain point without that woman's body. A vibrator is viable, or at least until the batteries die and need replacement haha.
You are partly right. The law does. But the law has been wrong many many times before just like this time just like slavery. Women's vote ect.
Just because it is wrong is why we still fight it.
As to science I would like you to answer this hypothetical question please.
I am sure that you will agree that health care has made major advancement over the years and will continue to do so.
We can now take eggs from the woman. We can take sperm from the man. We can joi the two in a test tube. All facts.
Now I believe one day we will be able to take the ferries egg and grow it through the early stages of life in a lab until it reaches the stage to be "born"
When that happens and lets say it takes 9 months

Who controls and has the say in the lab??
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#421 Nov 28, 2012
Dick wrote:
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You are partly right. The law does. But the law has been wrong many many times before just like this time just like slavery. Women's vote ect.
Just because it is wrong is why we still fight it.
As to science I would like you to answer this hypothetical question please.
I am sure that you will agree that health care has made major advancement over the years and will continue to do so.
We can now take eggs from the woman. We can take sperm from the man. We can joi the two in a test tube. All facts.
Now I believe one day we will be able to take the ferries egg and grow it through the early stages of life in a lab until it reaches the stage to be "born"
When that happens and lets say it takes 9 months
Who controls and has the say in the lab??
Except the law was not acknowledging a right (women's right to vote) and then changed to acknowledge it as a right, similar to the progression of abortion being illegal and then becoming a legal right.
Furthermore, most industrialized nations have abortion as a legal medical option so the US is in the majority internationally speaking as well.
I'm not going to disagree with you on that last statement- I think it's entirely plausible that somewhere in the future this may be a possibility and it would lead to an extremely interesting debate involving mostly property rights; however, this is awhile off and I see no real inherent value in hypothesizing over things that may or may not ever come to pass.
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#422 Nov 28, 2012
And the law could easily change or progress to recognize the rights of the baby!!! And abortion would be illegal again.
Alcohol was legal then illegal then legal again.

The lack of you response to my question is disappointing. But not wholly unexpected
I ask you to reconsider for there is value in that.
It is creative thinking. Without that we would never grow and expand and create. We think about what could happen. Take a chance on it and get smarter Or we may see a flaw in our current belief or reinforce our current belief.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#423 Nov 28, 2012
Dick wrote:
And the law could easily change or progress to recognize the rights of the baby!!! And abortion would be illegal again.
Alcohol was legal then illegal then legal again.
The lack of you response to my question is disappointing. But not wholly unexpected
I ask you to reconsider for there is value in that.
It is creative thinking. Without that we would never grow and expand and create. We think about what could happen. Take a chance on it and get smarter Or we may see a flaw in our current belief or reinforce our current belief.
Agreed its possible; however, many academic scholars are quick to point out the absurdity and abnormality of the Prohibition era.

I could only pontificate on the future of that happening and it's almost impossible to guess all the issues that would be involved. That's why Intellectual Property law is so fascinating and difficult- most of the law itself is retroactive and not proactive because it is difficult to make laws for future hypotheticals. My initial guess would it would go something like a divorce proceeding and property interests would be involved. The physical procedure that is done on the woman do extract the fertilized egg though would lead me to believe women would still be given deference because it is their bodies undergoing the procedure.
Joe

Pahrump, NV

#424 Nov 28, 2012
Dick wrote:
And the law could easily change or progress to recognize the rights of the baby!!! And abortion would be illegal again.
Alcohol was legal then illegal then legal again.
The lack of you response to my question is disappointing. But not wholly unexpected
I ask you to reconsider for there is value in that.
It is creative thinking. Without that we would never grow and expand and create. We think about what could happen. Take a chance on it and get smarter Or we may see a flaw in our current belief or reinforce our current belief.
Hey Dick, are you a closet TALABAN-GELICAL??
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#425 Nov 28, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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Agreed its possible; however, many academic scholars are quick to point out the absurdity and abnormality of the Prohibition era.
I could only pontificate on the future of that happening and it's almost impossible to guess all the issues that would be involved. That's why Intellectual Property law is so fascinating and difficult- most of the law itself is retroactive and not proactive because it is difficult to make laws for future hypotheticals. My initial guess would it would go something like a divorce proceeding and property interests would be involved. The physical procedure that is done on the woman do extract the fertilized egg though would lead me to believe women would still be given deference because it is their bodies undergoing the procedure.
Well how stupid!! It's the mans body also. Just because the man has more fun under going his process!!!:).
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#426 Nov 28, 2012
You women just don't want a man to have any fun anymore!:)
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#427 Nov 28, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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Agreed its possible; however, many academic scholars are quick to point out the absurdity and abnormality of the Prohibition era.
I could only pontificate on the future of that happening and it's almost impossible to guess all the issues that would be involved. That's why Intellectual Property law is so fascinating and difficult- most of the law itself is retroactive and not proactive because it is difficult to make laws for future hypotheticals. My initial guess would it would go something like a divorce proceeding and property interests would be involved. The physical procedure that is done on the woman do extract the fertilized egg though would lead me to believe women would still be given deference because it is their bodies undergoing the procedure.
Hope you got a laugh at that while drinking the umbrella drink on the beach.
So basically it boils down to this for you.
You side with giving women the total control because her body is more involved in the process
I can see that point and I totally agree that the woman's body is more involved. Except the taking of the eggs really isn't much more than the male and I think you agree with that by how you worded your answer.

The legal aspect though.all the laws have to be in compliance with the constitution. And it clearly state right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness.
So legally I see the baby has a right to life and for someone to kill it because they don't want it as very wrong. So the mom would be wrong for choosing the abortion.
You don't want a man to tell you you can't have abortiortion. I bet you wouldn't want a man to be able to make you have one either.
I see why because your body is more involved you think you should decide either way.

But legally you can and as a man I have no say but if she choses to have it legally it becomes half mine and am held finacially responsable for years.
And the man has no say in that either. They have limited vistitation ect and no real say.
That is very one sided and I think you will agree. Men don't like to be forced to do things any more than women.
You clearly know that I am against abortion because a baby dies. I hate death But in reality it would only be fair and equal that if abortions are legal and solely the choice of the women then she should bear sole responsabity and the man could chose how and if he wants to involved.
We both k ow if that were to happen many men would support the child but that would be their choice and the mom could get that worked out before giving birth and that may influence her choice. I believe that would lead to more abortions
Thanks for answering.:)
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#428 Nov 28, 2012
Oops I meant that more dads would not support their kids. But I think your smart enough to figure that out this corrections is for some other idiot.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#429 Nov 28, 2012
Dick wrote:
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Hope you got a laugh at that while drinking the umbrella drink on the beach.
So basically it boils down to this for you.
You side with giving women the total control because her body is more involved in the process
I can see that point and I totally agree that the woman's body is more involved. Except the taking of the eggs really isn't much more than the male and I think you agree with that by how you worded your answer.
The legal aspect though.all the laws have to be in compliance with the constitution. And it clearly state right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness.
So legally I see the baby has a right to life and for someone to kill it because they don't want it as very wrong. So the mom would be wrong for choosing the abortion.
You don't want a man to tell you you can't have abortiortion. I bet you wouldn't want a man to be able to make you have one either.
I see why because your body is more involved you think you should decide either way.
But legally you can and as a man I have no say but if she choses to have it legally it becomes half mine and am held finacially responsable for years.
And the man has no say in that either. They have limited vistitation ect and no real say.
That is very one sided and I think you will agree. Men don't like to be forced to do things any more than women.
You clearly know that I am against abortion because a baby dies. I hate death But in reality it would only be fair and equal that if abortions are legal and solely the choice of the women then she should bear sole responsabity and the man could chose how and if he wants to involved.
We both k ow if that were to happen many men would support the child but that would be their choice and the mom could get that worked out before giving birth and that may influence her choice. I believe that would lead to more abortions
Thanks for answering.:)
I see your point and you are entitled to your opinion; however, the Constitution only extends to "persons", which an unborn fetus is not defined as of that legal class and therefore not guaranteed those protections. The harvesting of a woman's eggs is an invasive medical procedure, whereas the collection of sperm can be done externally through masturbation. Exactly, I am pro-choice, not necessarily pro-abortion, as I realize it is ultimately each individual female's choice. It does seem inherently unfair in the sense that a male can get trapped into being a father and has no say in it; however, life isn't always fair and given the inherent inequality of the biological differences, I believe the law has made the best of the situation to present. Unfortunately for men, the biological fact that it is not their body involved during pregnancy leads to that unfairness. That is again why I believe contraception and protection (female AND male) is so important. Unfortunately, the statistics of deadbeat fathers weakens your argument a bit that men would step up out of sheer choice and to the benefit of the born child. Of course not all men are like this, but a relatively solid percentage are. No worries- we'll just have to agree to disagree- enjoy your night.
Anonymous

Jonesboro, AR

#430 Nov 28, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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So what that you are in the medical profession? I'm in the legal profession and I admit I don't know all types of laws nor do I even come in contact with the bulk of it on a daily basis. That doesn't mean anything when you have such a huge encompassing professional field. You could be anywhere from an office assistant to an RN to a PA to a surgeon to an Xray technician. The National Institute of Health is a research center overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services. If my sources are not up to your standards than feel free to post ones that prove mine outdated and incorrect. I can't wait to see where you are going to find cumulative reports on abortion statistics other than sources like the NIH.
I never disputed abortions are a walk in the park pain-wise; however, they vary from patient to patient and all I stated is they are not near as painful as NATURAL (note that term again) childbirth, furthermore, many times doctors prescribe mild pain killers for women after their abortion, as well as a localized anesthesia prior to the procedure.
Ok, so PROVE me WRONG...I'll wait...
Localized? There is no way that can deal with the pain. Plus, the mild pain meds given after the fact do not cut it. Also, what about the emotional pain? Believe me. I was a an obstetrics ultraponographer before I went back to school to further my education. During school I worked as a radiologic technologist(the first degree you need before you can go on to be an ultraponographer). I did x-rays on severely premature newborns to check their lungs and other problems depending on the infant. Once I specialized in obstetric US, I saw so many mothers that started out getting prenatal care and then got an abortion. It got really hard knowing that. Also, being the one who found that the patient had miscarriage. Anytime you tell the patient that you'll be right back, they know. When a patient miscarried, no matter the weeks, the doctor would do the DNC in the hospital under general anesthesia. I know this not just from my prior work, but have had 4 miscarriages. Some abortion clinics offer sedation, but that is very expensive and out of the reach of most women. An abortion is called an ANC. During my clinicals, I did a month at a doctors office that also performed abortions. First hand knowledge about how far along the majority of abortion were done. I hated doing ultrasounds on babies I knew were about to be killed. One good thing about the mandatory ultrasounds is that some of the mothers changed their minds once they actually saw their babies. I am a radiation physicist now. I keep the radiation therapy equipment calibrated and consult with the oncologist on the amount of radiation needed for each patient. It is very advanced now. Healthy tissue sparing is at an all time high. Trying to save lives, not take them! I lost my son, step-daughter and dad to cancer. I hope that clarifies my medical field experience.
lifes a beach

Myerstown, PA

#431 Nov 28, 2012
BelinKS wrote:
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Localized? There is no way that can deal with the pain. Plus, the mild pain meds given after the fact do not cut it. Also, what about the emotional pain? Believe me. I was a an obstetrics ultraponographer before I went back to school to further my education. During school I worked as a radiologic technologist(the first degree you need before you can go on to be an ultraponographer). I did x-rays on severely premature newborns to check their lungs and other problems depending on the infant. Once I specialized in obstetric US, I saw so many mothers that started out getting prenatal care and then got an abortion. It got really hard knowing that. Also, being the one who found that the patient had miscarriage. Anytime you tell the patient that you'll be right back, they know. When a patient miscarried, no matter the weeks, the doctor would do the DNC in the hospital under general anesthesia. I know this not just from my prior work, but have had 4 miscarriages. Some abortion clinics offer sedation, but that is very expensive and out of the reach of most women. An abortion is called an ANC. During my clinicals, I did a month at a doctors office that also performed abortions. First hand knowledge about how far along the majority of abortion were done. I hated doing ultrasounds on babies I knew were about to be killed. One good thing about the mandatory ultrasounds is that some of the mothers changed their minds once they actually saw their babies. I am a radiation physicist now. I keep the radiation therapy equipment calibrated and consult with the oncologist on the amount of radiation needed for each patient. It is very advanced now. Healthy tissue sparing is at an all time high. Trying to save lives, not take them! I lost my son, step-daughter and dad to cancer. I hope that clarifies my medical field experience.
BS- you are telling someone who has been through it and yes it was localized anesthesia. It wasn't a picnic but not near as painful as shattering my hand. I'm not even trying to be mean but I'm so tired I first read that as "ultrapornagrapher" and was initially very confused haha thank goodness I reread that before continuing my response. I am not discrediting your experience; however, a month of anecdotal evidence is hardly a drop in the bucked compared to years worth of accumulated statistics. I am truly sorry to hear about your personal losses, cancer is an awful disease (understatement) and I am glad you found an area more suitable for you. I am not discrediting your personal experiences; however, I am pointing out that there are people out there whose experiences differ greatly from yours and therefore its not merely black/white. That is why I'm pro-choice, I believe every woman should be allowed to decide what is best for her and thank goodness I was able to; therefore, I would like to extend the same courtesy to other women, regardless of their decision.
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#432 Nov 28, 2012
And all this choice to the women does deteriorate the family. It clearly states that fathers although they contribute equally to the child is of no importance. The harsh treatment if men by the legal system has lead to more problems than it has solved. Men no longer want to marry or have kids as in the past. Hence the women now complaining about the shortage of men available.
For a group that claims they have been so discriminated against and has fought hard for equal rights. Ie voting equal pay equal job opportunities ect. Yet so willing and eager to discriminate men is a true Hippocrocy.
Clearly pro choice advocates are nearly concerned with themselves and not the kids.
Yes I know they claim that a fetus is not alive or a person. Just a convenient way to try a define something. But by some strange way the mere passing through the vagina makes it a person and alive If that is all it takes them most penisis are living individuals. Further proof of that is that they do most of the thinking.:).
Anonymous

Jonesboro, AR

#433 Nov 28, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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BS- you are telling someone who has been through it and yes it was localized anesthesia. It wasn't a picnic but not near as painful as shattering my hand. I'm not even trying to be mean but I'm so tired I first read that as "ultrapornagrapher" and was initially very confused haha thank goodness I reread that before continuing my response. I am not discrediting your experience; however, a month of anecdotal evidence is hardly a drop in the bucked compared to years worth of accumulated statistics. I am truly sorry to hear about your personal losses, cancer is an awful disease (understatement) and I am glad you found an area more suitable for you. I am not discrediting your personal experiences; however, I am pointing out that there are people out there whose experiences differ greatly from yours and therefore its not merely black/white. That is why I'm pro-choice, I believe every woman should be allowed to decide what is best for her and thank goodness I was able to; therefore, I would like to extend the same courtesy to other women, regardless of their decision.
I didn't check that auto correct had turned ultrasonagrapher had turned it into another word that I have never heard of. I was in a position where I thought about abortion. I am adopted, so I didn't know my genetics carried a problem. X-linked lymphoproliferative syndrome. My younger son had stage 4 Burkitt's lymphoma the first time when he was 3, the second time when he was 7. He was sick a lot inbetween. We found out about XLP when he was 8. That meant we had to test my son who was one and a half years older. He had it too. He was just getting sick, loosing his immune system. In order to survive they both needed bone marrow transplants. My younger son died when he was 10 on Christmas Eve. My older son survived, but has bad medical problems. Before, my older son was a model first with Tommy Hilfiger, then Abercrombie Kids. He also was a pole vaulter who trained with a lot of the Olympic team with one of the (or the best) coach in the US. He was being groomed for the Olympics. He was really good and worked really hard! He also was an honor student. The transplant took all he had been working toward his entire life! I never had time to get my tubes tied because of taking care of my sons. My husband and I used three forms of birth control, I still got pregnant. I had tests done at 10 weeks. If the results came back that my child was a boy with XLP, I had 2 choices. Abortion or have the baby in Memphis where he would be transferred to St. Jude's, kept in isolation until he could have a cord blood transplant. I already had one son that lived through so much pain in his short 10 years and another, who at the time was still recovering from the BMT. He had spent over a month in ICU on life support, but pulled through. Did I want another child to go through all that and at the time we didn't even know how bad my older son's transplant would turn out. He now has chronic graft versus host disease. He lives everyday in pain and can't find anyone who can help him.
I made all the arrangements with The Med and St. Jude's, but was still conflicted on whether an abortion would be better. After talking to the doctors at St. Jude I resolved to have the baby and go along with their plan. I then got the results back. It was a girl and she didn't carry XLP, so she doesn't have to worry about having sons. Of course we're going to have her tested again when she's older to be sure.
I also was a pregnant teen that put my baby up for adoption so she could have a better life.
In both situations, I opted not to have an abortion. As a young teen who would have to go to school pregnant and then give up my child and as a mother dealing with sons with a catastophic disease.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#434 Nov 29, 2012
It is really sad that people want ot make murdering a child a "right." Murder is always murder and is not a right.
Anonymous

Jonesboro, AR

#436 Nov 29, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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BS- you are telling someone who has been through it and yes it was localized anesthesia. It wasn't a picnic but not near as painful as shattering my hand. I'm not even trying to be mean but I'm so tired I first read that as "ultrapornagrapher" and was initially very confused haha thank goodness I reread that before continuing my response. I am not discrediting your experience; however, a month of anecdotal evidence is hardly a drop in the bucked compared to years worth of accumulated statistics. I am truly sorry to hear about your personal losses, cancer is an awful disease (understatement) and I am glad you found an area more suitable for you. I am not discrediting your personal experiences; however, I am pointing out that there are people out there whose experiences differ greatly from yours and therefore its not merely black/white. That is why I'm pro-choice, I believe every woman should be allowed to decide what is best for her and thank goodness I was able to; therefore, I would like to extend the same courtesy to other women, regardless of their decision.
My question. What was your reasoning for having an abortion. I find most of the time, not just in the medical field, but with friends and family, that it is one of convienience. To get the mom out of a tight spot. Not going to school pregnant. Not the right time, gets in the way of my goals at this time. I can't afford a baby right now. I'm married and this child is most likely not my husbands. I would be so ashamed and humiliated by my very conservative or Christisn family. All self centered reasons. You chose to have sex. We all know what can happen. It is not the child's fault! Stand up and face the problem you created for yourself and deal with it! Don't hide behind having an abortion so no one will know. That is your baby inside of you!
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#437 Nov 29, 2012
According to research about 94% of abortions is because they are not wanted for whatever reason. The rest is rape incest and health reasons

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