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This is a quote from Stevie on the Mt in PA... He has been on pain pills for years and claims he has no addiction just a dependency.He calls others Drug addicts , scum, fagets, tells all to F off and even wished I would get cancer.He says and I quote only 1 % of pepole that take pain meds get addicted, or in his case dependent. He gets mad if you suggest that he is addicted. No it is only mental, I would like to see this A Hole 4 days with out his meds... I bet he would sell his sole for more drugs , as I have and most on this site know what I am talking about. The CDC : says over 3 mill in the US are addicted to pain meds , or for the kind sake of others just say dependent. If you feel the need to say or protect what this guy says I am on the wrong site. I think not, I have been helped here and feel that I have helped others that is what is important to me.Please becareful with pain meds, most pepole from Doctors to St pepole can not controll the grip or better yet vice they but on you. I am a HUGE fan of Suboxone : It has truned many lifes around. Not afan of pain pills and I think the addiction can be way vworst then the pain .. Regardless, I had cancer & mjr surgery... I know what pain is and still contend that an addiction can create much more pain then just about anything.Have to go drive my 11 yr old, sorry if I disclosed to much info

I have chronic pain & am very fearful of addiction, how can you not be. As for Steve's argument, my last dr. prescribed more than enuff & I could even save some. I too could not see how people got addicted,ect. THEN I lost that dr. & got one that took away 2/3 of my meds. Guess what-I began to run out every month & started to obssess over every pill. I even went to the street to get meds & paid rediculous prices. IDK if I'm addicted or just dependent but I now hqve a very healthy respect for these meds. Steve too would find himself in a world of hurt if his meds got cut off or severely reduced. Subs start to look like a viable alternative to stop the madness. Not just a haven for "junkies". Brian I saw Steve's thread & I have never read such degrading filth. Me thinks someone protests too much. Sorry about your cancer. Take care of yourself, lil red 0005

Brian,
I agree with you. I think that too may times we agrue over the difference between addiction and dependency. What difference does it REALLY make anyway. Opiates have very powerful capabilities. They can control your pain so that you have a quality of life, or they can just control you. Or both. It depends on the individual and how storng they are menatlly to deal with them. I used to think the same as you LIL RED 0005, how could one let that heppen to them, becoming addicted? We all have a choice and what we decide to do, depends on how the situation turns out. I simlpy think that opiates, for some, takes away some of that choice. We dont do it on purpose, its just how this drug works, on your brain. You can research all that is available on this and even though you will find conflicting agruments, one thing you will find that is always the same, is the affects on the chemical balance of your natural ability to relieve pain. Opiates screw with that. I think that that part of it cant be denied. I dont have anything to say against someone who allowed it to get ahold of them. Its easy. I am a wife, and hard worker with a great career, a good citizen and it happened to me. I always thought it was just something you found in the darkest, scariest, parts of any city anywhere. Not the case. I have compassion for ANYONE, who has this problem because I know now that it doesnt matter what your social standing is, how much money you make, where you live or who you know, it could happen and I dont wish it on anyone. I only hope that we all find our way through it and it turns out for us the way we want it to. I have a new found respect for the word addiction or dependency, whichever the case.

Brian wrote:

This is a quote from Stevie on the Mt in PA... He has been on pain pills for years and claims he has no addiction just a dependency.He calls others Drug addicts , scum, fagets, tells all to F off and even wished I would get cancer.He says and I quote only 1 % of pepole that take pain meds get addicted, or in his case dependent. He gets mad if you suggest that he is addicted. No it is only mental, I would like to see this A Hole 4 days with out his meds... I bet he would sell his sole for more drugs , as I have and most on this site know what I am talking about. The CDC : says over 3 mill in the US are addicted to pain meds , or for the kind sake of others just say dependent. If you feel the need to say or protect what this guy says I am on the wrong site. I think not, I have been helped here and feel that I have helped others that is what is important to me.Please becareful with pain meds, most pepole from Doctors to St pepole can not controll the grip or better yet vice they but on you. I am a HUGE fan of Suboxone : It has truned many lifes around. Not afan of pain pills and I think the addiction can be way vworst then the pain .. Regardless, I had cancer & mjr surgery... I know what pain is and still contend that an addiction can create much more pain then just about anything.Have to go drive my 11 yr old, sorry if I disclosed to much info

It's not for us to take Steve's inventory. He may be dependent but not addicted. I believe there IS a difference - addiction involves MANY compulsive behaviors and thinking that are absent with dependency. There are definitely people who have been on pain meds for YEARS and have never abused them. Unfortunately, many of us on this forum HAVE abused them; yet, we can't take Steve's inventory - it's not our place. It's like saying that just because someone eats an Egg McMuffin everyday, they HAVE to have high cholesterol. Nope. The chances they have high cholesterol may be strong ... but we don't KNOW. We're better off when we stick to our OWN problems. Again, it's not YOUR place to say what Steve's issues are.

darby_fan wrote:

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It's not for us to take Steve's inventory. He may be dependent but not addicted. I believe there IS a difference - addiction involves MANY compulsive behaviors and thinking that are absent with dependency. There are definitely people who have been on pain meds for YEARS and have never abused them. Unfortunately, many of us on this forum HAVE abused them; yet, we can't take Steve's inventory - it's not our place. It's like saying that just because someone eats an Egg McMuffin everyday, they HAVE to have high cholesterol. Nope. The chances they have high cholesterol may be strong ... but we don't KNOW. We're better off when we stick to our OWN problems. Again, it's not YOUR place to say what Steve's issues are.

I agree that no one is to judge others and that is EXACTLY why I engaged him... He says he is a saint that just takes his meds as prescibed and calls all other and may I quote SCUM BAG DRUG Addicts, Soorry but you do not have to be a scum bag to be a addict. He also says the same thing the maker of oxies says only 1 % get addicted sending a message out, ok it is fine to take pain meds... I also took them for pain prescibed by my Doctor, just as prescribbed , well quess what, it did not take Albert Eienstien to tell me that I had, lets use the word drug habbitt. No matter what you what to call it, addiction, dependecy... This is a Drug, unlike insulin which Steve compares this to. If Steve did not Judge others as Scum Bag lossers and said he is in the minority and can go days with out Meds or WD's but says he has taken everyday for years, not only would I have left him alone, I would ask for some of his DNA : Let me remind myself when I was hurling my gutts out with WD's that it was all in my mind... Yes despite all of the data that states you develope a phisyacal addiction.... I could give a rats ass about Stevie Boy, but when he started atttacking others
I took offense to it.... I did not start the fire, please go back and read his posts.. I work with a Doctor that is the Doc for a NFL team... We once spoke about pain meds... Can you Imagine what a MRI looks like on a NFL line man that has played for years. Well this Doctor will never prescribe pain meds to the NFL pyayers, interesting that a Doc that makes over 1 mill a year with a NFL football team is not pro narcotics
maybe he does not know what he is doing ? Once again I do not wish to judge others nor tdo I wish to be judged as Steve Judged me, A Gay gut with sTD's that he hopes gets Cancer > I personally see this site as kind of a NA ( which I never went to on line ) Pepole can talk about there problems and help each other, not attack... I have seen so many battles and name calling, is this going to help anyone ? This was the frist and it will be the last time I will engage in s confrontation with one that I see as a mjr problem... Shelly got it reight take the high road above it, don't crash into it. Peace & recovery for those that are trying to reshape the life wasted on the Drugs that we got from a Doc or the St.

lil red 0005 wrote:

I have chronic pain & am very fearful of addiction, how can you not be. As for Steve's argument, my last dr. prescribed more than enuff & I could even save some. I too could not see how people got addicted,ect. THEN I lost that dr. & got one that took away 2/3 of my meds. Guess what-I began to run out every month & started to obssess over every pill. I even went to the street to get meds & paid rediculous prices. IDK if I'm addicted or just dependent but I now hqve a very healthy respect for these meds. Steve too would find himself in a world of hurt if his meds got cut off or severely reduced. Subs start to look like a viable alternative to stop the madness. Not just a haven for "junkies". Brian I saw Steve's thread & I have never read such degrading filth. Me thinks someone protests too much. Sorry about your cancer. Take care of yourself, lil red 0005

Thank you so very much. I beat my caner, had much surgery and life with pain that may or may not be wost then others pain, In my case and from the very little I know, You develope a tolernce to pain meds, what was enough 2 months ago is no longer enouhgh. I work With Docs & RN's for a living : I can tell you that they are the ones in the know... I hear all this BS that, 1 % of pepole that use pain pills get dependent or get a habbitt, or last use that dirty word addicted ! If so why does the CDC say we have over 3 mil in America addicted to pain meds ? Only one person advice : An addiction to pain pills can be much worst then the worst pain you can imagine...The very best of luck to you on your road to recovery I hope

It's quite simple. If you have plenty of pain meds, you are dependent. If you you dont, you're addicted.
Pure BS dissecting a difference between these two terms.

Brian you live in bynt. bch? I lived on Gateway& Congress @ Savannah Lakes. I am glad to hear you beat cancer! Awesome news. Anyone who wishes cancer, AIDS on someone will get it back tenfold. Forget that loser-we don't see him around here do we. I like the last post addiction/dependancy whatever. I just know that when I was prescribed enough I never worried & now that more than 1/2 my meds were ganked my life is a hell of nothing BUT pain& worry. Maybe we shouldn't take Steve's inventory but I'll say again if his dr. took away his meds he'd be the first one bitching on here. The dr.s at least mine didn't say a word to me about dependancy much less addiction. I didn't even know u could get sick from just stopping the meds. Found that out the hard way & I don't believe that someone taking this sh#t for years can just stop & have no w/d. Total bull. Take care. lil red 0005

You had no right calling me an addict. I find it offensive. Like darby said "Addiction is a compulsive behavior". I am in no way obsessed with my pain medicine. As a matter of fact I do remember a time when i went two days without my pain meds. My family went to Florida. My wife, her mother and my son all drove because they never seen the states on the east coast. I can't sit more than an hour at a time without having to get up and walk around because my back is so messed up. So i flew, and did not want to bring my pain meds with me because i don't know the regulations at the air port with controlled substances and what not. I took my last two OxyContins i had Thursday morning before i got on the plane. They got stuck in traffic in Richmond for 7 hours, so instead of them being in Florida Thursday night, they didnt get there until Friday night. And i can tell you that i wanted to see my family alot more than i wanted my pain pills, well except the mother in law of course lol. I was in alot of pain but I absolutely had no obsessing or drug seeking behavior. Not all pain patients turn into drug addicts. You only hear from the people who DID get addicted on this board. Because the people who got off of them have no reason to come to this board or any other board for that matter, because they didnt have a problem in the first place. So you guys represent the 1-2% of the population that DID get addicted.

There are 3,000,000 new pain patients in america every year. 30,000-60,000 will become addicted. You guys represent the 30-60k people. I represent the other 2,940,000 who will not become addicted. That doesn't mean i am better than you. I just think you should do some research before you go calling people offensive names, like drug addicts for example.

Willsee wrote:

It's quite simple. If you have plenty of pain meds, you are dependent. If you you dont, you're addicted.
Pure BS dissecting a difference between these two terms.

Yeah, that's a GREAT definition, Willsee. No wonder Tommy thinks you have your head up your rump. I've met pant-crapping mongoloids with more intelligence.

xo,

Darby

lil red 0005 wrote:

Brian you live in bynt. bch? I lived on Gateway& Congress @ Savannah Lakes. I am glad to hear you beat cancer! Awesome news. Anyone who wishes cancer, AIDS on someone will get it back tenfold. Forget that loser-we don't see him around here do we. I like the last post addiction/dependancy whatever. I just know that when I was prescribed enough I never worried & now that more than 1/2 my meds were ganked my life is a hell of nothing BUT pain& worry. Maybe we shouldn't take Steve's inventory but I'll say again if his dr. took away his meds he'd be the first one bitching on here. The dr.s at least mine didn't say a word to me about dependancy much less addiction. I didn't even know u could get sick from just stopping the meds. Found that out the hard way & I don't believe that someone taking this sh#t for years can just stop & have no w/d. Total bull. Take care. lil red 0005

I find the obsession with WHAT Steve really is to be interesting. And what's more, I think you're SO much better than that, Lil Red - SO MUCH.

Thank you Darby. Steve I did not call u an addict. I'm just saying that I too couldn't understand how anyone could get addicted either. I mean I was even saving meds that would last for months. Until I got a paranoid dr. who underprescribes. Now IDK what to think except I have a broken back & unreal pain & not much meds. Now I do obsess trying to stretch meds out to last the month. Am I just undertreated or am I becomming addicted? You said yourself your tolerance is getting bad. Don't u worry? And just saying that u acknowledge dependance does exist so how can u be the only one to escape physical w/d symptoms? I'm not trying to be foul or start an argument merely curious. Take care, lil red 0005

Steve wrote:

You had no right calling me an addict. I find it offensive. Like darby said "Addiction is a compulsive behavior". I am in no way obsessed with my pain medicine. As a matter of fact I do remember a time when i went two days without my pain meds. My family went to Florida. My wife, her mother and my son all drove because they never seen the states on the east coast. I can't sit more than an hour at a time without having to get up and walk around because my back is so messed up. So i flew, and did not want to bring my pain meds with me because i don't know the regulations at the air port with controlled substances and what not. I took my last two OxyContins i had Thursday morning before i got on the plane. They got stuck in traffic in Richmond for 7 hours, so instead of them being in Florida Thursday night, they didnt get there until Friday night. And i can tell you that i wanted to see my family alot more than i wanted my pain pills, well except the mother in law of course lol. I was in alot of pain but I absolutely had no obsessing or drug seeking behavior. Not all pain patients turn into drug addicts. You only hear from the people who DID get addicted on this board. Because the people who got off of them have no reason to come to this board or any other board for that matter, because they didnt have a problem in the first place. So you guys represent the 1-2% of the population that DID get addicted.
There are 3,000,000 new pain patients in america every year. 30,000-60,000 will become addicted. You guys represent the 30-60k people. I represent the other 2,940,000 who will not become addicted. That doesn't mean i am better than you. I just think you should do some research before you go calling people offensive names, like drug addicts for example.

You only hear from the people who DID get addicted on this board. Because the people who got off of them have no reason to come to this board or any other board for that matter, because they didnt have a problem in the first place. This is what you said.. Then why are you on this Board. It is OK for you to call others z22755454 ... Fags, but God forgive someone says you pill taking could be considered an addiction,,, Go back to Web MD

Steve I apologize if I was offensive. I did not mean to imply that u are an addict. The ironic thing is you and I are in the same situation- we both take oxycodone for chronic intractable pain. I am the one struggling w/ the addiction vs dependence issue & did not mean to put it on you. I know that I personally can't function w/ out painkillers due to the extreme nature of my injuries but was considering subs to try to make my tolerance go down. I just wish I had my old life back & never had to take these meds. Take care of yourself, lil red 0005

Willsee wrote:

It's quite simple. If you have plenty of pain meds, you are dependent. If you you dont, you're addicted.
Pure BS dissecting a difference between these two terms.

Thank you : syamathics and big egos ! Not to mention foul mouth red necks... Sorry I droped to ones level

lil red 0005 wrote:

Thank you Darby. Steve I did not call u an addict. I'm just saying that I too couldn't understand how anyone could get addicted either. I mean I was even saving meds that would last for months. Until I got a paranoid dr. who underprescribes. Now IDK what to think except I have a broken back & unreal pain & not much meds. Now I do obsess trying to stretch meds out to last the month. Am I just undertreated or am I becomming addicted? You said yourself your tolerance is getting bad. Don't u worry? And just saying that u acknowledge dependance does exist so how can u be the only one to escape physical w/d symptoms? I'm not trying to be foul or start an argument merely curious. Take care, lil red 0005

No you have the right to say & feel what you want. And you are nice about it... I am so sorry I defended others being attacked that I got mixed into this BS ; Om with life and recovery for me : Good luck

i didnt read most of the stuff that was posted on this thread outside of the original poster because most people here use long-run paragraphs // sentences.

Just one thing I wanted to point out, there is a GREAT difference between a physical dependence and Addiction. Anybody who takes pain meds for more than a few weeks daily will gain a physical dependence...there is no getting around it. Its the person that is constantly running out of his monthly script weeks earlier, finding other ways besides swallowing the pill to get a quicker more intense high, and thinks the world is going to end when he is off pain meds, thats the Addiction right there.

You might not be able to see it, but there are many people in the world who are able to take their pain medication as prescribed and have no problem when it is time to get off them. I however, was not lucky enough to be one...then again i never had any chronic pain at all either, just liked getting banged up.

To each his own, no need to judge others or let others judgements hurt us....

scott wrote:

i didnt read most of the stuff that was posted on this thread outside of the original poster because most people here use long-run paragraphs // sentences.
Just one thing I wanted to point out, there is a GREAT difference between a physical dependence and Addiction. Anybody who takes pain meds for more than a few weeks daily will gain a physical dependence...there is no getting around it. Its the person that is constantly running out of his monthly script weeks earlier, finding other ways besides swallowing the pill to get a quicker more intense high, and thinks the world is going to end when he is off pain meds, thats the Addiction right there.
You might not be able to see it, but there are many people in the world who are able to take their pain medication as prescribed and have no problem when it is time to get off them. I however, was not lucky enough to be one...then again i never had any chronic pain at all either, just liked getting banged up.
To each his own, no need to judge others or let others judgements hurt us....

Well said, Scott ... I concur 100%.

lil red 0005 wrote:

Brian you live in bynt. bch? I lived on Gateway& Congress @ Savannah Lakes. I am glad to hear you beat cancer! Awesome news. Anyone who wishes cancer, AIDS on someone will get it back tenfold. Forget that loser-we don't see him around here do we. I like the last post addiction/dependancy whatever. I just know that when I was prescribed enough I never worried & now that more than 1/2 my meds were ganked my life is a hell of nothing BUT pain& worry. Maybe we shouldn't take Steve's inventory but I'll say again if his dr. took away his meds he'd be the first one bitching on here. The dr.s at least mine didn't say a word to me about dependancy much less addiction. I didn't even know u could get sick from just stopping the meds. Found that out the hard way & I don't believe that someone taking this sh#t for years can just stop & have no w/d. Total bull. Take care. lil red 0005

Yes Boca Raton : I had glad to hear some leval heading thinking : This guy Steve who is dependent on his pain meds, not addicted, fine he can say or feel what ever he wants to ; He is fine with calling pepole all kinds of names : You see he lives in a big glass house and can throw stones at others, too bad he does not have a good mirror to take a look at him self. Telling pepole To F off, Drug addict scum bags, Faget with aids,,, I mean really : What really shocks me is that Darby comes to his deffense after he offende what he even says some great pepole : Maybe Darby has a reral big heart and feels bad for this guy . He says it is like insulin compareded to pain meds. If you take insulin and stop you will die, if you take Pain pills for an extended period of time your body will become dependent. For kicks and a LOL I looked the 2 up in the Dictonary... The deffanition is EXACTLY the same.... You need the drugs to function ADL, AKA activites of daily living, unlike insulin I do not care if you are Superman using them for an extended period of time you will become dependent. Steve was and is on Long lasting time releassed OC, yes you maybe ok after 2 days as he says he was. I can assure you, or lets just say I think he would have been driving in the wrong part of town on his 3rd or 4 th day or going to the ER...No one is stronger then pain pills. What advice would you give one of your loved ones on pain pills ?

Brian wrote:

<quoted text>Yes Boca Raton : I had glad to hear some leval heading thinking : This guy Steve who is dependent on his pain meds, not addicted, fine he can say or feel what ever he wants to ; He is fine with calling pepole all kinds of names : You see he lives in a big glass house and can throw stones at others, too bad he does not have a good mirror to take a look at him self. Telling pepole To F off, Drug addict scum bags, Faget with aids,,, I mean really : What really shocks me is that Darby comes to his deffense after he offende what he even says some great pepole : Maybe Darby has a reral big heart and feels bad for this guy . He says it is like insulin compareded to pain meds. If you take insulin and stop you will die, if you take Pain pills for an extended period of time your body will become dependent. For kicks and a LOL I looked the 2 up in the Dictonary... The deffanition is EXACTLY the same.... You need the drugs to function ADL, AKA activites of daily living, unlike insulin I do not care if you are Superman using them for an extended period of time you will become dependent. Steve was and is on Long lasting time releassed OC, yes you maybe ok after 2 days as he says he was. I can assure you, or lets just say I think he would have been driving in the wrong part of town on his 3rd or 4 th day or going to the ER...No one is stronger then pain pills. What advice would you give one of your loved ones on pain pills ?

Ya know Brain, the more I read from you, the more I'm convinced you're a whining, manipulative, little baby. You're not listening, your not being honest, and it really is a shame. I find your little rage fits pathetic, boorish, and reflective of your character. Has your reading comprehension ALWAYS been this awful, or did you have to work at it?