US says opposition won Zimbabwe presidential vote

“There may need to be a political solution, a negotiated solution.”

An opposition MDC, Movement For Democratic Change, supporter who claimed his rural home was destroyed by ZANU PF party members and that he was intentionally run over by their vehicle struggles to move a chair ... via The Florida Times-Union

[canuk]

Offhand I would say that the government is not about to change.

[Gerry]

Africa lives. Mugabe is an african hero. nobody can take that away from him, even the US. Africa loves Mugabe. MDC are western puppets in the form of human beings. Mugabe is just a taste of what is coming to the murderous, land thieves, liars, coup plotters, blackmailers, criminal white people in africa. the US can do anything about it. Africa hasn't forgotten its history.
if the whites needs living space, they should go to north pole or iceland, and fight polar bears, and nobody will complain.
shame on england. shame on france.

[Shandi]

Well I see the twit is back! Gerry you obviously
do not read what we reply or you would not keep
repeating yourself. Oh I forgot you are the guy
with half a brain cell. Well you seem to be the
only twit out there supporting Mugabe at least he
has one fan!!! Must be lonely just the two of you!!

[Oa Drakensberg]

Gerry wrote:

Africa lives. Mugabe is an african hero. nobody can take that away from him, even the US. Africa loves Mugabe. MDC are western puppets in the form of human beings. Mugabe is just a taste of what is coming to the murderous, land thieves, liars, coup plotters, blackmailers, criminal white people in africa. the US can do anything about it. Africa hasn't forgotten its history.
if the whites needs living space, they should go to north pole or iceland, and fight polar bears, and nobody will complain.
shame on england. shame on france.

Many "Africans" people who live outside Africa regard Mugabe as a hero because they feel that by taking land from the whites Mugabe is avenging for the illtreatment they recieve from white people in the Whiteman's lands of America and Europe. But you fail to realise the painful situation the people of Zimbabwe are subjected to under the rule of Mugabe. The fellow black people in Zimbabwe have been heavily persecuted by the Mugabe regime by more than what is being done to the whites.

Rerardless of how Mugabe has made the Black people of Zimbabwe poorer he is regarded a hero by people like you only because "he is not a puppet of Europe".

He tortures a fellow Black man he is a hero,
He refuses to step down after losing elections he is a hero!

God!

[Gerry]

Hail Mugabe! Viva Mugabe. Mugabe has not forgotten his Compatriots. Mugabe, Africa loves you. All black people love you. Any black person or African person deserved to be dealt with, if he is a traitor, a puppet of western countries, or is on the sides of white people who robbed, murdered, killed, plundered, deceived, enslaved, thief african heritage and lands, blackmailed, lied, did all kinds of bad things to Africans, and stole from Africa.

they imprisoned and killed black and african heroes and also many africans and blacks, and now they are trying to deceive and divide africans against one another. Praise to Mbeki and all african leaders for supporting Mugabe and Zimbabwe.

One thing that is not in the news. "The western countries put sanctions and try to starve Zimbabweans, and now they are trying to force their own puppet government them." They say they love Zimbos. this absolute 2000% lie. don't trust the deceiver.

question: how can you love someone you try to starve for almost 5years? Is it really possible.

Africans stand up for future, do not listen to these western liars and deceivers, they did it before and are trying to do it again. spread the message across africa. Let all blacks shout, let western countries hear that the time has come for them to leave and payback all that they have stolen from Africa. Africa will not budge, Africa will not give up, Africa will rise and shout, and shine like the Sun from the east. Let them hear this message from east to west and north to south. Africa shall prevail, the end will justify our struggle. Africa shall win, there is no alternative. Don't trust the white people, they don't have respect or love for Africans. So shall Africans treat them too.

This is just the beginning for western countries, imagine what will happen to them in the next 30years in a global world not a 18th century world.

These are facts not biased.

[Sixpence]

Dont feed the trolls.

[john]

Gerry wrote:

Africa lives. Mugabe is an african hero. nobody can take that away from him, even the US. Africa loves Mugabe. MDC are western puppets in the form of human beings. Mugabe is just a taste of what is coming to the murderous, land thieves, liars, coup plotters, blackmailers, criminal white people in africa. the US can do anything about it. Africa hasn't forgotten its history.
if the whites needs living space, they should go to north pole or iceland, and fight polar bears, and nobody will complain.
shame on england. shame on france.

Why don't you leave America?

[canuk]

Is Kansas really in America?America is Washington and NY, the farmers in KS have little say in politics.

john wrote:

<quoted text> Why don't you leave America?

[Omnabi]

They also said iraq had WMD,s
They also said musharaf espoused to the ideals of democracy,see where I am going with this?

[African4]

HIV will cause mass extinction in Africa

[African4]

The mere fact that you are unaware of the ramifications of HIV, is one of the main reasons why it will destroy you.

it's basically saying adapt or die.
and the dying has started already.

[barn2503]

Gerry wrote:

Africa lives. Mugabe is an african hero. nobody can take that away from him, even the US. Africa loves Mugabe. MDC are western puppets in the form of human beings. Mugabe is just a taste of what is coming to the murderous, land thieves, liars, coup plotters, blackmailers, criminal white people in africa. the US can do anything about it. Africa hasn't forgotten its history.
if the whites needs living space, they should go to north pole or iceland, and fight polar bears, and nobody will complain.
shame on england. shame on france.

Why should the white man apologise for purchasing land from the black man 100 years ago. At least we paid the black man for the land...In fact it is the Mashona and the Matabele who are the real thieves.
These two ethnic groups are part of the BUNTU tribes that MIGRATED to Zimbabwe from Tanzania during the 14th and 15th centuries. They forced the San and the Koisan people off their land. I should remind you that these people were the true indigenous people of Zimbabwe. These primitive tribes were brutally forced off their land by the ethnic Mashona’s.
I repeat the MASHONA stole the land from the San and the Koisan people. The Mashona didn’t even compensate them for the land they stole.
At least the white man compensated the Mashona people for the land. These people are the real thieves.
The Matabele were part of a breakaway ZULU group that migrated north from Natal in South Africa into Zimbabwe during the 1820's. These people also displaced and stole land from the true indigenous people of Zimbabwe. The Matabele launched raids into the areas occupied by the Mashona and stole their cattle and livestock. These people are also colonialist just like the Mashona people. The only people to have not stolen land and who actually paid for their land were the white settlers. I know this because my great grand father paid 5 shillings for his 700 acre farm at Cecile Kop near Selous in 1901. So this proves that all the black people of Zimbabwe are even bigger thieves and colonialists than the white man.

[Brannigan]

To Barn2503 - Well said could not have said it
better myself. Gerry thinks he knows it all when
he actually knows nothing of the history of
the country.

[African4]

Most white man bought land from the blacks. Documents such as the one sighed by Dingaan and Piet retief is still in the Afrikaner's possession.

Basically Piet Retief hunted down the thiefs who stole some of Dingaan's cattle, as a sign of good will. Whenhe returned the cattle to Dingaan he purchased some land from Dingaan. He paid with cattle. Dingaan said that the men must leave the weapons at the gate of his compound. At his sign the blacks attacked and killed Piet Retief and his men.

Later Piet Retief's body was found. In his saddle bag was the document signed by Dingaan.

LOL, Dingaan was illiterate and tried to copy the white man's signatures, instead of just making an x, so you ended up with a meaningless scrawl.

[Sixpence]

African4 wrote:

Most white man bought land from the blacks. Documents such as the one sighed by Dingaan and Piet retief is still in the Afrikaner's possession.
Basically Piet Retief hunted down the thiefs who stole some of Dingaan's cattle, as a sign of good will. Whenhe returned the cattle to Dingaan he purchased some land from Dingaan. He paid with cattle. Dingaan said that the men must leave the weapons at the gate of his compound. At his sign the blacks attacked and killed Piet Retief and his men.
Later Piet Retief's body was found. In his saddle bag was the document signed by Dingaan.
LOL, Dingaan was illiterate and tried to copy the white man's signatures, instead of just making an x, so you ended up with a meaningless scrawl.

But in the Cape area, the land was taken from the Khoisan people, much as transval, OFS and Natal had been taken by the Bantu just a few centuries earlier from the Khoisan.

The Khoisan(bushmen) are really the only people who have an ancestral claim to any part of RSA.

[African4]

True

and if you go back even further you'll find that all of mankind originates from Africa, the cradle of mankind.

It is a ridiculous argument.

[Oa Drakensberg]

African4 wrote:

Most white man bought land from the blacks. Documents such as the one sighed by Dingaan and Piet retief is still in the Afrikaner's possession.
Basically Piet Retief hunted down the thiefs who stole some of Dingaan's cattle, as a sign of good will. Whenhe returned the cattle to Dingaan he purchased some land from Dingaan. He paid with cattle. Dingaan said that the men must leave the weapons at the gate of his compound. At his sign the blacks attacked and killed Piet Retief and his men.
Later Piet Retief's body was found. In his saddle bag was the document signed by Dingaan.
LOL, Dingaan was illiterate and tried to copy the white man's signatures, instead of just making an x, so you ended up with a meaningless scrawl.

But it was not the whole of Natal that was "sold" by Dingane. It was only a small part in which he agreed that the whites could settle on in exchange for getting back his cattle that were captured by the Batlokoa.

[Oa Drakensberg]

Sixpence wrote:

<quoted text>
But in the Cape area, the land was taken from the Khoisan people, much as transval, OFS and Natal had been taken by the Bantu just a few centuries earlier from the Khoisan.
The Khoisan(bushmen) are really the only people who have an ancestral claim to any part of RSA.

Not all of these places were captured from those Khoisan people. Part of the present day Lesotho and the Free State areas bordering Lesotho the Basotho bought them from the Baroa (Bushmen) with a large harvest of dagga.

[john]

canuk wrote:

Is Kansas really in America?America is Washington and NY, the farmers in KS have little say in politics.
<quoted text>

Canada's national slogan, "Cold and Queer".

[African4]

Oa Drakensberg wrote:

<quoted text>
But it was not the whole of Natal that was "sold" by Dingane. It was only a small part in which he agreed that the whites could settle on in exchange for getting back his cattle that were captured by the Batlokoa.

Not such a small part. All land south from the Thukela river as far south as the Mzimvubu river in the current Transkei. That is the Southern KZN as it is known today. A fairly large piece of land, but anyway Dingaan (as was to be expected) took the payment and then murdered Piet Retief.