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ForrestG
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canuk wrote: You ae a riot or did you just start one? Your posts never contain any facts just babble when are you going to come up with some facts to back up your garbage postings. I at least lived in Cuba and I know it very well.Revolutionary Cuba started from scratch to build a free and independent country, it is never easy to do so nor was it easy in 1776. When are you going to learn from the past in place of repeating your past mistakes.
<quoted text> Cuba may be an independent nation but surely not a FREE nation. Besides Fidel's flunkees such as yourself, how many citizens of Cuba are truly FREE to live their lives the way they want and enjoy the opportunities that many other FREE nation have ?? Learn from the past... YES, live in the past... NO.
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African4
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CANUK wrote: Does insanity run in your family? How can you be so far off base, do you know anything about Cuba? Murder, torture ??? Do you not know that murder and torture are crimes to which the death penalty applies in Cuba? Cuba is a country of laws, strict laws yes but they are at war with the USA. Even SA during the days of their economic embargo was not as affected as Cuba has been due to the american embargo.
<quoted text> Country of laws, lol. Who's laws????? If Cuba is so great ho come so many Cubans are desperate to defect to the USA. Do you know that many of them die annually, trying to get to the USA. How come they are willing to risk their lives to get to the USA, if Cuba is so great?
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African4
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CANUK wrote: General Ochoa was executed for drug running. His new job in Cuba gave him unlimited access to planes, boats and ships travelling to Panama to secure goods subject to the american embargo. His partner in crime, Gen Manual Noriega is still in prison in the USA. Shows how little you know about Ochoa. when he was sent over he already indicated that he knew that the only reason he is being sent, was because Castro needed a scapegoat. You really are fawking pathetic if you believe the drug charges. I'd say it's way to much of a coincident.
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African4
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canuk wrote: You ae a riot or did you just start one? Your posts never contain any facts just babble when are you going to come up with some facts to back up your garbage postings. I at least lived in Cuba and I know it very well.Revolutionary Cuba started from scratch to build a free and independent country, it is never easy to do so nor was it easy in 1776. When are you going to learn from the past in place of repeating your past mistakes.
<quoted text> Freeeeee and independeeeeeent??????? LOL You are truly a fawed up moron, aint ya? Cuba is as free as Zim.
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canuk
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Cuba is free for its' people, laws are strict, lawyers are in great supply, judges follow the law. Ochoa was tried in court where reporters published the facts. Not only Ochoa but others also, the drug problem was reported on by the americans also, Noriega is in an american prision for his drug dealings with Ochoa. The only( fawed?) up is african four play, and one notes that in all his postings he is the same loud mouthed idiot.No matter what the subject.
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ForrestG
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canuk wrote: Cuba is free for its' people, laws are strict, lawyers are in great supply, judges follow the law. Ochoa was tried in court where reporters published the facts. Not only Ochoa but others also, the drug problem was reported on by the americans also, Noriega is in an american prision for his drug dealings with Ochoa. The only( fawed?) up is african four play, and one notes that in all his postings he is the same loud mouthed idiot.No matter what the subject. Just the kind of post I needed to drift off to sleep...yada, yada, yada...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z...
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vasbyt
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canuk wrote: Cuba is free for its' people, laws are strict, lawyers are in great supply, judges follow the law......... In 1985 the average income for a Cuban was US$334. In 1996 it had dropped to US$91. It should come as no suprise therefore, that you are trying to milk the South Africans by saying things like ''debt owed to Cuba is infinite''. Do you vote in Canada? Do you enjoy picking up a newspaper that is independent from government? Do you enjoy being able to criticize leaders without fear of going to prison? Can you leave Canada without fear of being executed?! Cubans enjoy none of these rights. How is that free?
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African4
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canuk wrote: Cuba is free for its' people, laws are strict, lawyers are in great supply, judges follow the law. Ochoa was tried in court where reporters published the facts. Not only Ochoa but others also, the drug problem was reported on by the americans also, Noriega is in an american prision for his drug dealings with Ochoa. The only( fawed?) up is african four play, and one notes that in all his postings he is the same loud mouthed idiot.No matter what the subject. It is frustrating when you're trying to dish up a mouthful of crap, when the eaters know what crap tastes like, isn't it. Read this extract: "Division General Arnaldo Ochoa Sanchez, commander of the Cuban Expeditionary Force in Angola between November 1987 and January this year – the man, in other words, sent in to clean up the mess after Unita and the SADF had thrashed the MPLA and its Soviet advisers at Mavinga – was executed on charges, principally, of attempting to smuggle cocaine to the US in cahoots with Columbia’s notorious Medellin cartel. Or so at least the Cuban people and the world have been asked to believe. The transcripts of those sections of Ochoa’s "trial" that were broadcast on Cuban television, and other evidence, suggest that the truth is rather different. The general may, tangentially, have been involved in the drug trade, but that was not the reason for his arrest and liquidation. Ochoa, according to those who knew him (including diplomats involved in the Angola/Namibia settlement process), was a man of striking countenance and much intelligence and charisma. He knew his mission was to preside over Cuba’s last hurrah in Angola and that the "heroic" defence of Cuito was, therefore, a vainglorious fraud, designed to cover a retreat that had already been decided. The 15 000 new troops who followed Ochoa came to save Cuban face, not the MPLA. Defence Minister Raul Castro, Fidel’s brother, quoted the general as saying: "I have been sent to a lost war so that I will be blamed for the defeat." That was, indeed, his view." From: Paratus, September 1989. This was Ochoa's own words: ""I have been sent to a lost war so that I will be blamed for the defeat."
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African4
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Cuba is a dictatorship.
You have to say it's free, don't ya???
Do they give you a little bit of money every month???
Logict dictates that when something looks and feels like shit, then it normally is shit.
Why don't you take your shit and eat it yourself.
You have lost just about all your credibility.
No-one will believe anything you say again.
That goes for any topic as well.
Cub the free dictatorship.
So free in fact that people die to get away.
I think your Cuban masters needs to whip you. You are a kak propaganda officer.
kak means shit. Have some.
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African4
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lol
Kak means shit. I guess all the shit you've handled must have rubbed off, as it is getting difficult to distinguish between the two.
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kicker
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Professor Taylor wrote: I accidentally came across this site and my stay will be brief. The discourse, which is significant, is unfortunately tainted by infinite Ad Hominems. I always discourage my students from using Wikipedia - it is not a credible source; it only provides a brief background but does not reveal crucial nuances that are essential to a contentious issue in the field. Before any of you continue to enter and contribute to this fruitless debate, do yourselves as favor and read "Conflicting Missions: Havana, Washington, and Africa, 1959-1976." The author, Piero Gleijeses, conducted more than 10 years of research on this topic alone. This is by far the most authoritative source on Cuba's role in Africa!
Good evening to you all. Ridiculous. I Know the 'author' and have seen him speak. Gleijese is strongly pro-Castro with a serious ax to grind. He most certainly didn't spend ten years on that love letter to Castro. I feel for your students.
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