Group says ship with arms for Zimbabwe leaves South Africa

An independent human rights group says a Chinese ship carrying weapons to be delivered to Zimbabwe is now on its way to neighboring Mozambique. via KWQC-TV Davenport

[Schmetterling]

ALL you black leaders, hippocrits, help your brothers and sisters out. You are so proud of your African heritage yet you do nothing to help your homies. You hate America, now is your chance to do something worthwile.

Jesse Jacksom, Al Sharpton, Jeremiah Wright, Osama Obama, and your buddies - you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Osama Obama's wife came out publicly and said she has a great disdain for America, saying she hates this country.

Then get the hell out !!!!

[Lance Winslow]

The arms and ammo are sent by China for Mugabe loyalists to fire in celebration of the Olympics Games opening ceremonies, no?

[Guess Who]

So it was kazan who was Mohammed Ali's professor? Dr Abercrombie a Scott.....

[john k]

financial times today. union blocks arms shipment. the south african transport and allied workers union would not handle arms shipped which included 3ml rounds of ammo lest they be used for robert mugabe. china has to get on the same page here. mugabe your days are numbered. mugabe said that britain was paying zimbaweans to turn against him. now i know for certain u lost mugabe.he called the brits thieves. he is calling the kettle black. hey mugabe the world is smarter than you. lets here it for the good guys.

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

People who support a peaceful resolution in Zimbabwe should have smiles on their faces.

Those who seek violence or profits from violence must certainly be upset at this development.

[thewordwright]

The ship left the harbour as soon as the urgent application was granted by the Durban High Court. It was intitially feared that it may head up the coast, to Mozambique, from whence it is bit a short hop to the Zim border. Now, a Dept of Transport representative said that the ship is heading for Angola.

It is an unlikely destination given the logistics involved with moving the arms from there. Angola will have to request persmission from either Namibia or Zambia to move the freight. If they move the cargo by air without permission from these countries, it would be a violation.

Whether this is indeed the truth or a red herring, I don't know.

[Mickey Mouse]

Strange that the Zims are dying of starvation yet muggers just wants to import arms, yeah that makes sense.

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

Mickey Mouse wrote:

Strange that the Zims are dying of starvation yet muggers just wants to import arms, yeah that makes sense.

My thoughts exactly.

They can afford all these weapons, but not food for their people?

[African4]

Guys these guns weren't bought by Mugabe. China is supplying them free issue, knowing that should they help Mugabe stay in power, they will be richly rewarded with unpresidented access to Zimbabwe's mineral rights.

Everyone wins. Bob wins and the Chinese wins.

Only thing is that the real losers will be the people of Zimbabwe again and indirectly the people of South Africa, as another couple of million refugees will flood over our borders, looking for a country that will reward them with a chance at a decent life.

Pity they can't get that chance in their own country.

[African4]

Basically Murgarbage is selling the birth rights of the people of Zimbabwe to the Chinese in order to cling to power.

He is betraying his own people.

[bazaza]

[Following one of the slogan gathering speeches, the crowd applauding him.This what worried me and other who care,are the masses out of touch that they applaud.Yes Hon Mugabe liberated Zimbabwe,but liberated a second time to what,sychophants,or to utter obliteration.
Why would the government of Zimbabwe instead of importing very much needed maize and other nutrition products,apply for a shipment of 2500 mortars,and other weapons shiped to south africa?
What role is President Mbeki really applying claiming quiet diplomacy to the impass and perpetual chaos in a neighboring economy of Zimbabwe?If Zimbabwe was South Africa would this senseless choas and "economic suicide", with a beer costing Zim $ 240 million proceed unchallenged.
It is utterly acceptable that revolutionary leaders over last their tenure,plundering and destroying an economy that was once a force to reckon with, and masses just sit there to amuse their sorrows while still clinging to nostalgia.
What planet is the parliament of Zimbabwe living in and are they really out of touch with what is happening on the ground.
A tragedy of a forgotten past, over walked, over strewn and brain washed!!!
Slogans or no slogans, one can could in their dreams that,what Hon Mugabe was saying Zimbabwe is a forgone conclusion, it will never be the same again and to plundering he will persist in his unchallenged thirst for stealing and looting property from the people!]

[think about it]

TAKE NOTE:

BOTH of these regimes are leftists.

Mugabe is Socialist dictator.

China is run by the Communist Politburo.

ALSO take note:

These are COLLECTIVIST ideologies, where the individual is sacrificed for the good of group. When you get down to it, that is what a Democracy is.

Our nation was established as a REPUBLIC, which places limits on the collective.

Limits that keep the majority from infringing on the individuals right to "life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness" & freedom of conscience - which boils down to the freedom to say & do what he/she wishes as long as it does not harm others in a tangible way.

A lynch mob is the extreme of a Democracy in action. Everyone agrees the individual should be hanged, so he/she is - without proof of any wrong doing.

The lie that we are a Democracy began with Woodrow Wilson and his "alter-ego", Fabian Socialist Edward Mandell House, and was ingrained in the minds of Americans by Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Eleanor Roosevelt was good friends with Sydney & Beatrice Webb, founders of the Fabian Society.

Karl Marx daughter, Eleanor Marx, was also a founding member of the Fabian Society.

Fabian Socialism is based on changing the west into Socialist countries gradually, so the people will never see it happening.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
– Norman Thomas, American socialist

Just something to think about...the road we are on...

[Richard]

China sux.

[thewordwright]

African4 wrote:

Basically Murgarbage is selling the birth rights of the people of Zimbabwe to the Chinese in order to cling to power.
He is betraying his own people.

This is insightful and what you say is making sense. There have been rumours that Mugabe has promised them land to farm and then there is the lure of gold, platinum diamonds and ivory... Their Red army presence kind of confirms all of this for me. Why would they be in Zim other than to protect their interests and who knows whether these interests are not already vested?

[bushwacker]

thewordwright wrote:

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This is insightful and what you say is making sense. There have been rumours that Mugabe has promised them land to farm and then there is the lure of gold, platinum diamonds and ivory... Their Red army presence kind of confirms all of this for me. Why would they be in Zim other than to protect their interests and who knows whether these interests are not already vested?

Is this why Mbeki has kept his trap shut for so long?

[bazaza]

For the first time, i will say that this he is Barrack Obama, pliz write people 's name clearly rather than baptising them with strange links.
As for the Africa predicatment, even with all the African American 's support,Africa with it 's record of having hostile based selfcentered leader,not dreaming beyond their stomach, it will not change a thing.
Just glance on the African map and see for yourself the hot spots are so close, and yet the trouble does not go challenge.Strange in that the very leaders claim the west is out to get them.You mismanage resources and claim the west,it is your people who are fed up of the endless squandering, fear propangada that you having been spreading.
Yes it is time for Africa to rise and take responsibility for it 's causes, that i concur,but with egocentric leaders who are full of grandiosity, how can that be done.
History is basically repeating itself,kenya is up one time then another second it is a quagmire, now they have 92 ministers, to be paid for the useless bickering in the parliament using tax payers money,there is somalia a forgotten waterloo, still filled with chaos,next to the unbeknown somaliland.
On a bright note there are success stories,and i think we should focus on them and count the luck of the continent, there is rwanda rising out of the ashes of genocide, with superb planing at the helm,there is Bostwana,still walking the walk of Democracy,and championing it 's people rights,there is Tunisia also doing the walk.
But what of the nations that seem to enjoy chaos,the notoriety of Mugabe seems to be infecting even Angola,who knows where that will end.There Burundi still trapped in the mirage of war and cling to useless hate that leads no where.
The so called renaissance leader list, has had more of tyrants and self seeking leaders and not the Democracy opined mindedness that the media claimed. It is a greaty pity and an international embarassment.

[Lance Winslow]

There's a pervasive fishy smell about this story.
Who has opened the boxed and tallied the rifles, RPG launchers and ammo? Certainly the Chinese didn't just hand a manifest over to the human rights group which reported it. The initial report claimed South African police identified the weapons but nothing really credible has been forthcoming. There may be a lot of truth in this story, then again...

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

Lance Winslow wrote:

There's a pervasive fishy smell about this story.
Who has opened the boxed and tallied the rifles, RPG launchers and ammo? Certainly the Chinese didn't just hand a manifest over to the human rights group which reported it. The initial report claimed South African police identified the weapons but nothing really credible has been forthcoming. There may be a lot of truth in this story, then again...

The manifest would have been reported to Durban before off-loading. Standard procedure.

[Lance Winslow]

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:

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The manifest would have been reported to Durban before off-loading. Standard procedure.

The Chinese make invoices of their international arms shipments readily available ?
That's part of what smells fishy, but it may be true.

[thewordwright]

bushwacker wrote:

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Is this why Mbeki has kept his trap shut for so long?

I am not sure. What I do know ifor a fact is that: Mbeki, Mugabe, Dos Santos, et al are all old brothers-in-arms which could account for Mbeki maintaining his much maligned 'quiet diplomacy'. To give you an idea, when pressure was exerted by Botswana, Malawi and Mauritius to adopt a harder line towards Zim, it was opposed by Namibia, Angola, Mozambique, Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo and Zambia.

Then there is speculation (one that I have not been able to confirm at all) that Mbeki shares a mining interest with Mugabe in the Congo. Could be urban legend, nothing more.