AlcansCollector

Dallas, TX

#441 Mar 4, 2008
Today all people around the globe understand communism was the backward/dragging force to humankind progress

Commie is equivalent to poverty, backward, and misery
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#442 Mar 4, 2008
Wondering 101,
Well, I am afraid that I don't have much hope in vietcong relingquishing its power monopoly either. Even Nuoc Mam said that winning a lottery is a better bet. But you see, the topic of this forum is "freedom for Vietnam" and many individuals including myself like the idea of a free election for a democratic Vietnam. Can we at least dream about it and hope that, with the will of our people, enough presure might create a situation where one way or another vietcong has to...say leave power or whatever you care to label. I do not wish to advocate any sacrifice or hardship for Vietnamese people. You see, I am a softie, I don't want to see other suffers unless they are vietcong. Well, even vietcong, if they repent, I hope that suffering Vietnamese find it in their hearts to forgive them so that we all can rebuild or continue to build a better Vietnam.
But let me go back to the main theme of this forum. If Heaven answer the call of all good people from Vietnam and that vietcong is no longer in power. What would happen to Vietnam? We don't want Vietnam to be like Iraq or Afganistan, do we? I like the idea of a democratic Vietnam with something similar to South Africa. No, I don't want Vietnamese to paint their skins black and white. I like the idea that the current police at least retained for law and order. I like the current army under vietcong to continue to guard our borders against any one taking advantage of Vietnam changing political enviroment.
Nuoc Mam's queries are a reminder for all concerning Vietnamese about the mammoth task facing future Vietnamese post vietcong. My invitation to you, on Nuoc Mam behalf is good intention and whether you believe it or not, is also from the bottom of my heart. I wish that all of us, while demanding change to the current situation in Vietnam, also are wise ejough to have preparation and know what to do once the objective is achieved
I hope that my sincerity is tolarated by you and others on this forum
Cu Teo

Saint Louis, MO

#444 Mar 4, 2008
allen wrote:
<quoted text>
Dung vay, bon phan dong trong nuoc nhan tien lam tai sai cho bon phan dong nguoi Viet, da so la cac hoi doan chong Cong o California.
Bon phan dong trong nuoc da bi bat gan het 100%, bon phan dong ngoai nuoc neu ve VN se bi to'm co ngay tai Tan son Nhat hay Noi Bai.
Phai trung tri bon phan dong ngu xuan nay, de lam guong cho ke khac dung ngu dai nghe loi xui duc cua bon chong Cong dien cuong.
M&#7897;t ng&#432;&#7901;i yêu n&#432;&#7899;c nh&#432; mày mà c&#361;ng không bi&#7871;t &#273;ánh v&#7847;n hai ch&#7919; "tay sai" thay v́ "tai sai" th́ th&#7853;t &#273;áng x&#7845;u h&#7893; cho dân t&#7897;c Vi&#7879;t ḿnh quá.
roswell old spirit

Phoenix, AZ

#445 Mar 4, 2008
AlcansCollector wrote:
For those who have just arrived it's good to recap what's going on in this thread
<quoted text>
Here a few questions for Alle^nh-delon (DUY TRAC Where are you? Come out and play the quiz ?)
1) Ai dep ?
2) Dep ai ?
3) Phan dong la gi ?
4) Ai la phan dong ?
5) Lay gi dep?
6) The nao la dep tan?
7) The nao la dep khong tan?
8) Trong nuoc ma co phan dong sao?
9) Bon phan dong trong nuoc co dong khong?
10) Bon phan dong ngoai nuoc co bao nhieu nguoi ?
11) Chung o nhung nuoc nao ?
12) Tai sao chung no phan dong?
13) Chung no phan dong tu luc nao?
14) Chung ta khong phan dong tu luc nao?
15) Ai da bay dat ra chu "phan dong"?
16) Hoi han xem phan dong la gi?
17) Co' phai Do 10 lam nghe thien heo nghi ra "phan dong" khong ?
18) Tai sao chung ta khong phan dong ?
19) Khong phan dong co phai la theo dom an tan khong?(noi nang la cho hua) co dung khong?
20) CS co phai la phan dong khong ?
21) Tu ban co phai la phan dong khong ?
22) Hu zin Tao co phan dong khong?
23) Neu Hu zin Tao khong phan dong vay Bush co phan dong khong?
24) The nao la vua phan dong vua boc lot?
25) Phan dong va boc lot co di doi voi nhau khong?
26) Tai sao the gioi da nem CS vao thung rac ?
27) Nhan dan Russia co phan dong khong?
28) Putin la ten phan dong so 1 phai khong?
29) Trung quoc co phai la CS khong ?
30) Tai sao co tuong Lenin o Hanoi, nhu the co phan dong khong?
31) Tai sao Russia da cho tuong Lenin va Staline vao dong rac?
32) Nhu the co phan dong khong?
33) Cac cong ty nuoc ngoai co boc lot nhan cong vietnam khong?
34) Bon chu cong ty ngoai quoc co phan dong khong?
35) Can bo cho con di du hoc tai cac nuoc de quoc tu ban co phan dong khong?
36) Chinh ban than ban co bao gio phan dong chua?37) Ban hay thu phan dong 1 ngay di coi co chet ai khong ?
38) Neu VCP la phan dong thi tinh lam sao ?
39) Co nen dep tan dang CS khong ?
40) Ai dep chung bay gio ?
41) Ban co bao gio co tu tuong chong lai chu nghia CS chua?
42) Neu co thi stop
43) Con khong thi hay ke ra tu tuong cua ban la gi?
44) Tu tuong cua ban la : "khong co gi", co dung khong?
45) Tu tuong cua ban la kiem dollars, co dung khong?
46) Tu tuong cua ban la ai khong lam theo ban la phan dong, co dung khong?
47) Hoi chi minh co phan dong khong? tai sao ?
48) Tai sao nguyen minh triet gioi thieu con gai VN truoc khac ngoai quoc, nhu the co phan dong khong?
49) Phan van khi om chun ong My den co phan dong lhong?
50) Ban post cai thread nay la co y do gi? cai do co phan dong khong?
51)... You know the next ones, don't you ?
51 stars ? U r # 1 Bo`

;-))))))))) U r McKing
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#446 Mar 4, 2008
Here are one example of what reactionaries overseas are doing now.

Nuoc Mam wrote:

co qua nhieu van de can phai duoc giai quyet
neu co su thay doi chinh quyen tai Viet Nam ?
Mot chinh phu da nguyen, da dang....( mua ve
so hy vong cao hon)
Lam sao bao dam khong co su tra thu, thu do o dau,
lam sao bao dam khong co su thanh toa lan nhau
giua cac dang phai, quoc ca quoc ky ra sao, quan
doi giai quyet nhu the nao, doi pho voi Trung Quoc ra sao, van de thuong phe binh, nghia trang nhu the nao, co dua nhung toi pham diet chung ra toa khong, co tra luong cho quan linh VNCH khong,
lam sao phat trien GDP hon 6%, co doi tien bac khong, co doi chinh phu My den cho nan nhan da cam khong, van hoa pham cua hai ben su dung nhu the nao, lich su giang day ra sao, nguoi Viet o nuoc ngoai co chiu ve lam o Viet Nam theo luong bong Viet Nam khong... con nhieu nhieu nua ma
nuoc mam khong biet anh em o day giai quyet nhu the nao
Hy vong duoc giai dap
Nuoc mam
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#447 Mar 4, 2008
It’s is up to vietcong to reform itself. It has to change to survive.
In the meantime, as Vietcong is still in power, they have to embark on a political reform program to prepare the country for the transition to a democratic country. Vietcong must clean up corruption within the government. They must punish the corrupted and incompetent officials. This must stop politicise government departments. The police and the courts must be independent from government. There must be one law for all and the police main function is law and order and must not be a tool for any political party. The army responsibility has to abide to the popular elected government of the day and its main function is to defend the country. Vietcong should be applauded for keeping the army way from the running of the country. This tradition must be continue and the army main duty is to defend the country.
Vietcong has to reform the constitution. The article that grants Vietcong party the monopoly of governing Vietnam has to be abolished. Vietcong has to abide other articles which guarantee freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and other personal freedoms are respected. Vietcong has to stop interfering in the running of the government funded press and respects the editorial independence of the press. A free press is the effective weapon to fight corruption.
From the experiences from wealthy democratic countries in the world, the separation of powers and the independent of many arms of government like the legislative bodies which are members of the senate and lower house, law enforcement and criminal justice administration which are police and the courts. Combine the independent of the press, these factors ensure the effectiveness and transparent of any government.
All of these can be done and achievable. The fact is if Vietcong has good intention and if they are patriotic like they want to claim, they must see that it is the democratic principles are the tool to ensure good governance. A good government is the government that looks after the country interest and the interests of its people.
These ideas aren’t something that beyond comprehension. The democratic principles which countries from First World follow now can be understood and applied responsibly by every Vietnamese. It is because of self interest that Vietcongs and their backers keep beating around the bush, trying to justify their lust for power at all costs to Vietnamese people
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#448 Mar 4, 2008
Reply to Nuoc Mam,
It’s is up to vietcong to reform itself. It has to change to survive.
In the meantime..... A free press is the effective weapon to fight corruption.
From the experiences from wealthy democratic countries in the world....... the independent of the press, these factors ensure the effectiveness and transparent of any government..the democratic principles are the tool to ensure good governance. A good government is the government that looks after the country interest and the interests of its people.
These ideas aren’t something that beyond comprehension. The democratic principles which countries from First World follow now can be understood and applied responsibly by every Vietnamese. It is because of self interest that Vietcongs and their backers keep beating around the bush, trying to justify their lust for power at all costs to Vietnamese people.
(Vietnamese version) Tra loi Nuoc Mam,
Gioi lanh dao dang viet cong phai co trach nhiem tu cai to. De ton tai, ho phai tu thay doi.
Trong khi do, vi viet cong dang cam quyen, ho co trach nhiem tien hanh mot chuong trinh cai to chinh tri de chuan bi dat nuoc cho tien trinh chuyen tiep thanh mot quoc gia dan chu. Viet cong truoc het phai trong sach hoa chinh quyen. Ho phai trung tri bon can bo tham nhung va bat tai. Ho phai cham dut tinh trang chinh tri hoa cac co quan va co che chinh quyen. Cac co che chinh quyen phai duoc doc lap la tu phap va cong ly. Do la cong an va he thong toa an. Luat phap phai cong minh va luc luong cong an phai co nhiem vu gin giu tri an chu khong phai la cong cu de phuc vu mot dang phai chinh tri. Toa an phai ap dung luat phap quoc gia mot cach cong minh va binh dang. Quan doi cung phai duoc tra lai trach nhiem truyen thong la de bao ve bien cuong to quoc Viet nam. Mot uu diem cua che do viet cong la da giu cho quan doi khong can du vao viec dieu hanh quoc gia. Truyen thong tot dep nay phai duoc tiep tuc de quan doi chi la mot thanh phan chuyen biet de bao ve su toan ven lanh tho quoc gia.
Viet cong phai cai to hien phap, huy bo cac dieu khoan cho phep dang viet cong quyen lanh dao toi thuong de cham dut nan doc quyen lanh dao cua dang viet cong. Viet cong phai chap hanh cac dieu khoan khac trong hien phap cho phep cac dang phai va to chuc chinh tri khac duoc tu do hoat dong neu nhung to chuc nay khong vi pham luat phap quoc gia. Viet cong phai ton trong quyen tu do ngon luan da co trong hien phap. viet cong phai cham dut tinh trang doc ngon hien tai, phai de cho cac co quan truyen thong do nha nuoc dai tho duoc tu do trong lanh luc dieu hanh nhung phuong tien truyen thong dai chung nay. Tu do ngon luan la vo khi quan trong chong lai nan tham nhung.
Kinh nghiem tu nhung nen dan chu tren the gioi, viec phan quyen va doc lap cua cac co che chinh quyen nhu lap phap tuc la cac dan bieu nghi si quoc hoi, nganh hanh phap tuc la chinh phu va nganh tu phap va cong ly tuc la cong an canh sat va he thong toa an. Su doc lap cua nganh truyen thong la mot yeu to quan trong bao dam su trong sach cua chinh quyen va moi co che khac. Nganh truyen thong phai doc lap voi chinh quyen de khong thien vi hay bao che cho nhung toi te trong chinh quyen.
Nhung dieu trinh bay tren day co tinh kha thi. Thuc te, neu dang viet cong co thien chi hay thuc su yeu nuoc nhu ho van hang reu rao, ho phai thay duoc rang chinh co che dan chu la mot phuong tien giup cho chinh quyen duoc trong sach. Neu chinh quyen trong sach co nghia la chinh quyen biet cham lo cho quyen loi cua quoc gia va cua nguoi dan. Nhung dieu nay thuc ra khong cao xa nhu nguoi ta tuong. Nhung nguyen tac dan chu ma cac quoc gia tan tien dang theo duoi la nhung dieu ma bat cu nguoi Viet nam cung co the hieu va ap dung. Chang qua vi tu loi, viet cong va nhung nguoi ung ho viet cong cu dap nhang, cai chay cai coi, co tinh lanh tranh hoac nguy bien cho su tham quyen co vi cua viet cong
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#449 Mar 4, 2008
Reply to Nuoc Mam (full text)
It’s is up to vietcong to reform itself. To survive it has to change.
In the meantime, as Vietcong is still in power, they have to embark on a political reform program to prepare our country for the transition to a democratic country. Vietcong must clean up corruption within the government. They must punish the corrupted and sack incompetent officials. They must stop politicise government departments. Police and the courts must be independent from government. There must be one law for all and the main function of police is law and order and it must not be used as a tool for any political party. The army has to abide the popular elected government of the day and its main function is to defend the country. VIETCONG SHOULD BE APPLAUDED for keeping the army away from interfering with the running of the country. This tradition must be continued and the army main duty is to defend the country only.
Vietcong has to reform the Constitution. The article that grants Vietcong party the monopoly of governing Vietnam has to be abolished. Vietcong has to abide other articles which Guarantee Freedom Of Association, Freedom Of Speech, Freedom Of Assembly and other personal freedoms are respected. Vietcong has to stop interfering in the running of the press funded by government and respects the editorial independence of the press. A free press is the effective weapon to fight corruption.
Experiences from wealthy democratic countries in the world, with separation of powers and the independent of many arms of government like the legislative bodies which is the parliament, law enforcement agency and criminal justice administration which are police and the courts, combine with the independent of the press, these factors ensure the effectiveness and transparency of any government.
All of these can be done and achievable. The fact is if Vietcong has good intention and if they are patriotic like they want to claim, they must see that democratic principles are the tool to ensure good governance. A good government is the government that looks after the interests of the country its people.
These ideas aren’t something grands beyond comprehension. Democratic principles which countries from First World follow,can be understood and applied responsibly by every Vietnamese. It is because of self interest that Vietcongs and their supporters keep beating around the bush, trying to justify their lust for power at all costs to Vietnam and her people
Phiengung

Wantirna, Australia

#452 Mar 5, 2008
To all vietcong,
If you disagree with my comment, feel free to express your view. It is called freedom of speech. You and I, all have the same right. That is we all can say whatever we want provide that we don't use foul or and vulgar languages. What I post on the forums of Topix, always comply with the terms and conditions of it. I note that some of the comments post by people who supports vietcong are less than nice, to say the least. But for I am, being a proud democrat (not member of US's Democrat Party), respects the rights of other to express their views. I am confident that the browers of Topix's forums will have their own assessments about the views posted in here. I am advocating for peaceful, non-violence change in Vietnam so that Vietnamese can enjoy the same basic human rights like other peoples in the world. Below is the Vietnamese version
Hoi viet cong! Neu cac nguoi khong dong y voi nhung gi trinh bay tren dien dan nay, hay tu nhien va can dam dong gop y kien. Dieu nay duoc goi la "tu do ngon luan". Tat ca chung ta deu co quyen duoc tu do phat bieu nay. Dieu do co nghia la chung ta co quyen phat bieu quan diem ve bat cu dieu gi ngoai tru viec chung ta khong duoc dung nhung loi le tho lo va tuc tiu. Nhung dieu ca nhan toi phat bieu tren dien dan nay da chap hanh dung nguyen tac va dieu kien cua dien dan nay. Toi de y co nhieu phat bieu tren dien dan nay cua nhung ke ung ho viet cong co the noi, it nhat la kem van hoa. Nhung ca nhan toi, tu hao la nguoi dan chu (khong phai la dang vien dang Dan chu My), nen ton trong quyen duoc tu do phat bieu cua tat ca moi nguoi voi niem tin chac chan rang nhung ai co dip doc nhung phat bieu duoc dang tai tren dien dan nay se tu danh gia ve gia tri cua nhung phat bieu nay. Toi chi nham co vo cho mot su thay doi chinh tri on hoa va khong bao dong o Viet nam de dan toc Viet nam duoc huong nhung quyen tu do can ban cua con nguoi nhu tat ca nhung dan toc khac tren the gioi.
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#453 Mar 5, 2008
Dear forum,
Below is what the reactionaries are doing overseas. The Vietnamese version will be posted soon

nuoc mam wrote:
Cam on anh Phiengung co tam long rong rai. Hoai bao chac chan lon.
Tien day, nuoc mam co vai dieu khong sao tinh ra
duoc:
1. Gia nhu Viet Nam mo rong cua, da nguyen da dang....de dua toi mot cuoc bau cu chinh thuc. Chuyen gi se xay ra?
1a. Se co bao nhieu dang phai se ra tranh cu
1b. Vi quyen loi, cac dang phai do co thanh
toan lan nhau hay khong?
3c. Neu nhung dang phai nay khong nam duoc
chinh quyen...( con tiep)
To Nuoc Mam,
Your appeal results in several responses.
1) Pho Thuong Dan main ideas are plausible minus the abolishment of vietcong party. This will violate the basic principle of a democratic system. The only way that this could be achieved is a referendum. But while vietcong is still in power, to remove it requires a revolution and maybe bloodshed. We had been through some revolutions already and I dread what would happen to our people if we were to have another one. Before the collapse of the Soviet Union and Eastern Block, it seems that the only way to have a democratic Vietnam was to remove vietcong from power by force. This is no longer necessary.
2) ITEngineer’s fascination about the success of Russians and the former Eastern Block countries. ITEngineer wants Vietnam to embrace democracy which will help build up a strong Vietnam to face up to challenge to its existence.
3) I did offer my view and basically, similar to PTD and ITEngineer, democracy is what Vietnam needs.
4) Nuoc Mam on the other hand, wants real action. I guess that if I am right, Nuoc Mam wants all of us to go back to Vietnam and demand changes. Vietcong can not imprison or shoot all of us. Nuoc Mam questions whether any of us would go back to VN once it had changed. I know that PTD did want to go back.
These are a recap of the view in response to the appeal posted by Nuoc Man. Reading through the forums related to Vietnam, there are many great minds with eloquent expressions that show there are not just passion for Vietnam but also with great talents. Please offer your views. We will learn from each and some of us might one day will be in a position to do something for Vietnam
Phiengung

Australia

#457 Mar 6, 2008
Hey vietcong,
If you have any decency, post your views on this forum for people to read. You should read my advices because they are posted with the interests of Vietnamese people in mind. If you can prove them otherwise, feel free to post your comments here. My using dirty trick to fool the moderator into removing my comments you reinforce the belief that you are a bunch of incompetent louts incapable of decency and civility.
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#459 Mar 7, 2008
This is what the reactionaries are doing overseas:

abc wrote:
<quoted text>
I do know the VCP better than you people. What did you do so far... talking, cursing and dreaming. If the VCP died tomorrow or a year later, may you name me a Leader able to controll VN, Vietnamese people have no other choice. Don't go back 1963 to 1966, VNCH changed their Leaders monthly.... without the US and Allies, the VCP eat South VN alive. Be real, learn to build and controll the country by action not just talking, talk is cheap.If you got lEADER enable to work, to build, and controll for better VN I will support him all the way.

abc,
Why is it that you don't seem to understand the basic concepts of a democratic country. People will elect whoever they think capable to lead the country. You again, use the term "control the country". A democratic country is governed by rules of laws. Government changes and policies change as a result but police and the army remain the same to take charge of law and order internally and defend the country from outside threat.
Vietcong party can govern Vietnam all they like provides that Vietnamese choose them in a free election. I think they have a good chance to be chosen by the people and they can be proud to tell the whole world that they are now legitimate democratically elected by the people of Vietnam. No one then dares to look down on any of us, including vietcongs. Wouldn't it a wonderful thing for Vietnam

Ly do tai sao ban lam nhu khong hieu noi nhung nguyen ly co ban cua mot the che dan chu. Nguoi dan se chon lua bat ky nguoi nao ma ho nghi rang co du kha nang lanh dao quoc gia. Ban lai mot lan nua, dung y niem,“kiem soat quoc gia”. Mot quoc gia dan chu la mot quoc gia phap tri. Chinh quyen thi thay doi va ket qua la chinh sach cung thay doi. Nhung cong an, canh sat va quan doi thi van tiep tuc duy try trat tu tri an va bao ve an ninh cua to quoc. Dang Viet cong cung co the cam quyen bao lau cung duoc neu duoc su tin nhiem cua nguoi dan qua cac cuoc bau cu dan chu tu do. Toi nghi rang ho co co hoi thuc su duoc nguoi dan Viet nam chon lua va ho sau do co the tu hao voi the gioi la nay thi ho da duoc dan chung Viet nam bau len mot cach hop phap. trong mot cuoc bau cu tu do dan chu Tu do se khong ai dam coi thuong chung ta nua, bao gom viet cong. Co phai do la mot ket qua tot dep cho Vietnam hay khong?
fuckingcommunist party

Japan

#461 Mar 8, 2008
du ma chung no, toan nguoi biet tieng viet ma sua toan thu tieng anh cam lon, deo ra the thong gi ca, neu thich thi choi tieng anh "xin" khong thi sua me no tieng viet cho nhanh. DU ma chung may lam bo may doc toet ca mat ma deo hieu mo te gi..
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#462 Mar 9, 2008
abc,
You don't get it, do you? You need to be strong to defend your country better. You need to be strong to minimise the loss in a confrontation with China. You need to be strong to deter any adventure by China into our water territory. abc, we, which is Vietnam, have to be strong. Vietcong is excluding other good and competent Vietnamese from the effort of building a stronger Vietnam. Vietcong's only objective is to protect its interests to the detrimental of Vietnam ability to defend its territory. Vietcong has already lost a large portion of our land to China. Vietcong has lost a number of sea battles to Chinese navy. These are facts and it hurts all of us to see our land and seas taken by Chinese.
What we are advocating is for vietcong to realise that it can not hold on to monopoly of power and build a strong Vietnam. It won't happen. Vietnam better bet lies with good, strong and stable democracy and vietcong can help building up that democracy. They are in a good position to make it happens if they are trully a patriotic party. If we look at the world today, a reformed vietcong not only necessary for its survival but for a stable, strong democratic Vietnam. A democratic Vietnam will be a huge boost for its economy and a more optimistic Vietnamese people will build a stronger Vietnam and China or any other countries in the region must think twice before violationg the territory of Vietnam
(Vietnamese version)
abc, ban duong nhu van khong hieu. Chung ta phai manh hon de co the bao be dat nuoc tot hon. Chung ta phai manh hon de giam thieu ton that neu co nhung tranh chap voi Trung cong. Chung ta phai manh hon de ngan ngua moi muu toan cua Trung cong vao lanh hai cua Viet nam. Chung ta, tuc la Viet nam, phai hung manh. Viet cong hien nay co tinh loai bo nhieu nguoi Viet nam co dao duc va tai nang vao co gang xay dung mot nuoc Viet nam hung manh hon. Hien nay, viet cong chi co mot muc tieu chinh la bao ve quyen loi cua ho bat chap nguy co va tham hoa cho dat nuoc va nguoi dan Viet nam. Viet cong da de mat vao tay Trung quoc mot phan khong nho dat dai cua to tien. Viet cong da thua Trung quoc nhieu tran hai chien. Day la su thuc va tat ca chung ta deu cam thay dau don va tui nhuc vi dat dai va lanh hai qua to tien bi Trung quoc chiem cu.
Dieu ma chung toi keu goi la viet cong phai y thuc duoc la ho khong the vua doc quyen va vua xay dung mot nuoc Viet nam hung cuong duoc. Dieu do se khong the xay ra. Mot nuoc Viet viet nam hung cuong gan lien voi mot the che dan chu on dinh. Neu dang Viet cong thuc su yeu nuoc, ho co the tao dieu kien de Viet nam tro thanh mot quoc gia dan chu phu cuong.
Neu chung ta xet tinh hinh the gioi hien tai, neu viet cong tu thay doi, khong nhung ho co co hoi ton tai ma chinh nhung thay doi nay se giup xay dung mot nuoc Viet nam hung manh hon. Mot nuoc Viet nam dan chu se la co hoi tot nhat cho su phat trien kinh te va su lac quan se giup nguoi Viet nam xay dung mot nuoc Viet nam phu cuong va Trung quoc va tat ca cac lan bang phai kieng de va than trong truoc khi mao hiem xam pham bien cuong Viet nam tren bien va tren dat lien.
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#463 Mar 9, 2008
abc wrote:
<quoted text>
I do know the VCP better than you people. What did you do so far... talking, cursing and dreaming. If the VCP died tomorrow or a year later, may you name me a Leader able to controll VN, Vietnamese people have no other choice. Don't go back 1963 to 1966, VNCH changed their Leaders monthly.... without the US and Allies, the VCP eat South VN alive. Be real, learn to build and controll the country by action not just talking, talk is cheap.If you got lEADER enable to work, to build, and controll for better VN I will support him all the way.

abc,
Why is it that you don't seem to understand the basic concepts of a democratic country. People will elect whoever they think capable to lead the country. You again, use the term "control the country". A democratic country is governed by rules of laws. Government changes and policies change as a result but police and the army remain the same to take charge of law and order internally and defend the country from outside threat.
Vietcong party can govern Vietnam all they like provides that Vietnamese choose them in a free election. I think they have a good chance to be chosen by the people and they can be proud to tell the whole world that they are now legitimate democratically elected by the people of Vietnam. No one then dares to look down on any of us, including vietcongs. Wouldn't it a wonderful thing for Vietnam

Ly do tai sao ban lam nhu khong hieu noi nhung nguyen ly co ban cua mot the che dan chu. Nguoi dan se chon lua bat ky nguoi nao ma ho nghi rang co du kha nang lanh dao quoc gia. Ban lai mot lan nua, dung y niem,“kiem soat quoc gia”. Mot quoc gia dan chu la mot quoc gia phap tri. Chinh quyen thi thay doi va ket qua la chinh sach cung thay doi. Nhung cong an, canh sat va quan doi thi van tiep tuc duy try trat tu tri an va bao ve an ninh cua to quoc. Dang Viet cong cung co the cam quyen bao lau cung duoc neu duoc su tin nhiem cua nguoi dan qua cac cuoc bau cu dan chu tu do. Toi nghi rang ho co co hoi thuc su duoc nguoi dan Viet nam chon lua va ho sau do co the tu hao voi the gioi la nay thi ho da duoc dan chung Viet nam bau len mot cach hop phap. trong mot cuoc bau cu tu do dan chu Tu do se khong ai dam coi thuong chung ta nua, bao gom viet cong. Co phai do la mot ket qua tot dep cho Vietnam hay khong?
Catfish

Granada Hills, CA

#464 Mar 9, 2008
Phiengung, here are your words "Why is it that you don't seem to understand the basic concepts of a democratic country. People will elect whoever they think capable to lead the country."

Do you really believe the US practiced that concept in Vietnam? Here is what American historians said

"The United States, alone among the great powers, refused to sign the Geneva agreement. The President of South Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem, declined to hold elections. This called into question the United States' commitment to democracy in the region, but also raised questions about the legitimacy of any election held in the communist-run North. President Dwight D. Eisenhower expressed U.S. fears when he wrote that, in 1954,“80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh” over Emperor Bao Dai." (Quoted from "McNamara Argument Without End p. 60",
"Dwight D. Eisenhower. Mandate for Change. Garden City, NJ. Doubleday & Company, 1963, p. 372.",
"Pentagon Papers") You can also find the same facts from History channel on Vietnam war.
Phiengung

Melbourne, Australia

#465 Mar 10, 2008
Catfish wrote:
Phiengung, here are your words "Why is it that you don't seem to understand the basic concepts of a democratic country. People will elect whoever they think capable to lead the country."
Do you really believe the US practiced that concept in Vietnam? Here is what American historians said
"The United States, alone among the great powers, refused to sign the Geneva agreement. The President of South Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem, declined to hold elections. This called into question the United States' commitment to democracy in the region, but also raised questions about the legitimacy of any election held in the communist-run North. President Dwight D. Eisenhower expressed U.S. fears when he wrote that, in 1954,“80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh” over Emperor Bao Dai." (Quoted from "McNamara Argument Without End p. 60",
"Dwight D. Eisenhower. Mandate for Change. Garden City, NJ. Doubleday & Company, 1963, p. 372.",
"Pentagon Papers") You can also find the same facts from History channel on Vietnam war.
Catfish,
Thank for your comment. But didn't you tell Phan Chu Trinh and Dai Doan Ket to forget about the differences and work for a better Vietnam? Let be fair, Phan Chu Trinh is a very talented young Vietnamese. Sometime is firrie with words. I call that great passion (nhiet huyet). Dai Doan Ket, I once said he posseses shrimphead knowledge. He wants to divide Vietnamese of different ethnic background. That guy would be in the sinbin if he was in Canada or Australia for racist languages.
But let concentrat on your comment. Are we on 10th March 2008, which is 32 years odd since vietcong took over the whole Vietnam and 45 years since the assination of President Ngo Dinh Diem. Want anymore history lesson. Raise any issue and I will gladly oblige
THIEN DANG

Hanoi, Vietnam

#467 Mar 10, 2008
Cac ban ca hai phia,
Vo may Dien dan nay lam gi?
O day toi thay toan la nhung thang khung.
Nhung ke thua tran, bo chay khoi Viet nam, khi di khong kip nhin lai dang sau. Vay ma gio day ngoi xum xit quanh ban tra, tan duong nhau, cho doi ngay chien thang!
Ngay xua ngay xua, khi co 500.000 linh My va cung gan so do linh goi la Vietnam Conghoa, vay ma con chay khong kip tho. Gio day co may chang com coi, ngay ngay an xin tien tro cap ma van mong co ngay chien thang.
Thoi dung co ngoi mong dieu khong co do nua.
Ve nha xem vo co can viec gi thi lam giup, nghe co ly hon.
Ve di thoi.
Quan dong cua roi
AlcansCollector

Dallas, TX

#468 Mar 10, 2008
THIEN DANG wrote:
Cac ban ca hai phia,
Vo may Dien dan nay lam gi?
O day toi thay toan la nhung thang khung.
Nhung ke thua tran, bo chay khoi Viet nam, khi di khong kip nhin lai dang sau. Vay ma gio day ngoi xum xit quanh ban tra, tan duong nhau, cho doi ngay chien thang!
Ngay xua ngay xua, khi co 500.000 linh My va cung gan so do linh goi la Vietnam Conghoa, vay ma con chay khong kip tho. Gio day co may chang com coi, ngay ngay an xin tien tro cap ma van mong co ngay chien thang.
Thoi dung co ngoi mong dieu khong co do nua.
Ve nha xem vo co can viec gi thi lam giup, nghe co ly hon.
Ve di thoi.
Quan dong cua roi
Ohm mine,
Let see just a few words from this "VCs train -VCs talk"

First, he stood his ground as a third person, and he addressed to all sides ...little friendly
THIEN DANG wrote:
Cac ban ca hai phia,
Vo may Dien dan nay lam gi?
Then, the very very next phrase he just simply started the BS without any reasoning, like this
THIEN DANG wrote:
O day toi thay toan la nhung thang khung.
So, if we put those toghether let see what kind of SONG have we here
THIEN DANG wrote:
Cac ban ca hai phia,
Vo may Dien dan nay lam gi?
O day toi thay toan la nhung thang khung.
Is that Hoe's style of reasoning? Wonder if this kid at home used to say this to his VCs parents whenever they have an argue

" Thua ba ma,
ba ma cai lon nhau lam gi,
O day toi thay toan la nhung thang khung va con khung"

LOLLLLL

Phiengung

Canberra, Australia

#469 Mar 10, 2008
Viet Luu Huong wrote:
<quoted text>
I went back Viet ;-)) thi` all people speaking all they can ? so speak cai' gi` ma` Viet not free ?
viet nam or trung or north ?
Viet Luu Huong,
O VN nhieu nguoi khong dong y voi chinh sach cai tri cua viet cong. Ho biet rang, doc tai dang tri la nguyen co cua su lun bai cua giong noi Viet nam. Ho biet rang, vi doc dang nen nan tham nhung rat u tram trong. Cong quy nha nuoc bi an xen an bot. O VN co cau 'cac cong trinh thung ruot'. Nan tham nhung da tham nhap het moi co cau cua xa hoi. Ngay den hai nganh nghe ma bat cu o dau, va bat cu thoi dai nao cung duoc nguong mo la nganh giao duc va y te, nan tham nhung da lung doan luong tam cua nhung con nguoi nam trong trach dao tao nhan su tuong lai cho xa hoi va bien nhung luong y nhu tu mau tro thanh nhung ke chi 'cham soc binh nhan neu than nhan dut tien vao tui ho'. Day la kinh nghiem ban than.
Vi tham hoa cua dat nuoc, nhieu nguoi chi muon co co hoi tao hoan canh de nhung te nan nay duoc chieu co nhieu hon de may ra, dat nuoc co co may phat trien duoc. Nhung nguoi nay chi muon dong gop tri luc vao viec lam cho dan giau nuoc manh ma ho bi bat bo cam tu.
Viet Luu Huong co biet nhung nguoi nay khong? Ngay ca bao chi viet cong cung co dang tai. Neu muon co the doc nhung tin tuc nay tren bao viet cong online.
Neu Viet Luu Huong duoc phat bieu quan diem cua minh, tai sao nhung nguoi nay khong duoc quyen lam dieu do?

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