Hong Y Pham Minh Man co' phan? chua' Gie Su hay khong???

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Copperfield

Laurentides, Canada

#1 Jul 23, 2008
Hong Y Pham Minh Man co' phan? chua' Jesus va` Vatican hay khong???

xin mo*i`...

http://www.dongduongthoibao.net/view.php...
McWed

Laurentides, Canada

#2 Jul 23, 2008
Phan Minh Man, talking to the Communists

Vatican City (AsiaNews)- Card Jean-Baptiste Pham Minh Mân, Archbishop of Hô Chi Minh City (Thàn-Phô Hô Chí Minh, ex Saigon), was born in 1934 in Hoa Thanh, and ordained priest in 1965.

Made coadjutor with the right of succession to Bishop Huyin Van Nghi in 1993, he was elevated to the rank of cardinal with titular church of St Justin in 2003.

He studied in the United States during the US involvement in the Vietnam War. He took from those years a profound loathing for war.

"From 1968 to 1971 I saw through the mass media the inhuman face of a war that was ravaging my country, a war that sowed pain and destruction, suffering and death. This explains why you won't find anyone among my people who believes that there is just war whatever reason to start it might be invoked to start it".

Following the reunification with the North in 1975 the Church in the south, which was used to operating in relative freedom, found itself at the receiving end of the Communist takeover: everything—Catholic seminaries, schools and private hospitals—was nationalised.

In this early period, Cardinal Pham, then a simple priest, was in charge training priests.

He remembers that from "1976 and 1981 I trained future priests in the diocese of Cân. In 1981-88, we sent seminarians to parish churches to complete their training with the help of priests and lay people, at least, from a pastoral point of view."

"Then in 1988, the government authorised the reopening of eight major seminaries around the country," he said, "and I was appointed as rector of the seminary in Cai Rang".

He has been criticised for being too open to the Communist regime to the point of quoting Marxist concepts to back his arguments.

In terms of reforming the country's religious laws, he has suggested going back to Hô Chi Minh's 1956 rules.

Cardinal Pham dismisses criticism, saying that "the Holy Father taught us to perform our duties through dialogue; to meet, talk and understand one another we must find some common ground".

In Vietnam, there are 8 million Catholics out of a population of 79 millions, which makes it proportionately the second largest Catholic community in Asia after the Philippines.

http://www.asianews.it/index.php...
McFrei

Laurentides, Canada

#3 Aug 1, 2008
http://www.dongduongthoibao.net/view.php...

NguyenVanTho and Christianity

VNCH !! Please translate it into English ..
Mr Pickwick

Montréal, Canada

#4 Aug 12, 2008
The catholics under the order of various Popes is responsible for 2000 years of violence, persecutions and blunders killing thousands and thousands of innocent people in the name of the Catholic religion and Jesus Christ.

Why are the Catholics responsible for 2000 years of violence, killings and persecution ???

The Crusades

Pope Urban II, anxious to assert Rome's authority in the east, sent a military expedition in 1095 to reconquer the holy land. The crusaders ravaged the countries they passed through and massacred the Muslim, Jewish and even Christian population of Jerusalem after capturing it in 1099. After 200 years of conflict Muslim armies drove them out for good, but the crusaders' symbol of the red cross remains provocative

The Inquisition

The attempt to combat suspected apostates, Jews and Muslims at the time of the Reformation spawned tribunals in Europe and the new world that tortured and executed thousands. Ecclesiastical queasiness about flowing blood led to the use of racks, thumbscrews and red-hot metal instead of blades; 2,000 people were burned at the stake during the tenure of Spain's first grand inquisitor, Tomas de Torquemada.

The Holocaust

Pope Pius XII never publicly condemned the Nazis' persecution of Jews, even when they were being rounded up and deported from Rome. His silence is partly blamed for the failure of Germany's Catholics to resist Hitler. Anti-Jewish Catholic doctrines such as the claim that the Jews murdered Christ were said to have ideologically underpinned nazism. Vatican officials allegedly helped Nazis escape Europe after the war.

Whom did the catholics kill ??
1/ Jews,
2/ heretics,
3/ women,
4/ Gypsies
5/ and native peoples.

All together, the Catholics have commited 7 different categories of sins.
What are they???
1/ sins in the service of truth;
2/ sins against Christian unity;
3/ against the Jews;
4/ against respect for love,
5/ peace and cultures;
6/ against the dignity of women and minorities;
7/ and against human rights.

So long as the priest, that professional negator, slanderer and poisoner of life, is regarded as a superior type of human being,there cannot be any answer to the question: What is Truth?
[Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, b. Oct. 15, 1844, d. Aug. 25, 1900,]
..........
welfare

Hanoi, Vietnam

#5 Aug 13, 2008
Chua neu co that, thi khong de bon VNCH bi mat nuoc,
Chua neu co that thi ung ho CSVN ton tai den ngay nay...
welfare

Hanoi, Vietnam

#6 Aug 13, 2008
Ngo dinh Can la con cho cua Vatican, con chien ngoan dao cua chua tren troi cuoi cung cung bi dzi sung vao dau nhu con heo bi giet.

Since: Apr 08

Rutherfordton, NC

#7 Aug 13, 2008
Mr Pickwick wrote:
The catholics under the order of various Popes is responsible for 2000 years of violence, persecutions and blunders killing thousands and thousands of innocent people in the name of the Catholic religion and Jesus Christ.
Why are the Catholics responsible for 2000 years of violence, killings and persecution ???
The Crusades
Pope Urban II, anxious to assert Rome's authority in the east, sent a military expedition in 1095 to reconquer the holy land. The crusaders ravaged the countries they passed through and massacred the Muslim, Jewish and even Christian population of Jerusalem after capturing it in 1099. After 200 years of conflict Muslim armies drove them out for good, but the crusaders' symbol of the red cross remains provocative
The Inquisition
The attempt to combat suspected apostates, Jews and Muslims at the time of the Reformation spawned tribunals in Europe and the new world that tortured and executed thousands. Ecclesiastical queasiness about flowing blood led to the use of racks, thumbscrews and red-hot metal instead of blades; 2,000 people were burned at the stake during the tenure of Spain's first grand inquisitor, Tomas de Torquemada.
The Holocaust
Pope Pius XII never publicly condemned the Nazis' persecution of Jews, even when they were being rounded up and deported from Rome. His silence is partly blamed for the failure of Germany's Catholics to resist Hitler. Anti-Jewish Catholic doctrines such as the claim that the Jews murdered Christ were said to have ideologically underpinned nazism. Vatican officials allegedly helped Nazis escape Europe after the war.
Whom did the catholics kill ??
1/ Jews,
2/ heretics,
3/ women,
4/ Gypsies
5/ and native peoples.
All together, the Catholics have commited 7 different categories of sins.
What are they???
1/ sins in the service of truth;
2/ sins against Christian unity;
3/ against the Jews;
4/ against respect for love,
5/ peace and cultures;
6/ against the dignity of women and minorities;
7/ and against human rights.
So long as the priest, that professional negator, slanderer and poisoner of life, is regarded as a superior type of human being,there cannot be any answer to the question: What is Truth?
[Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, b. Oct. 15, 1844, d. Aug. 25, 1900,]
..........
The communists under various leaders had killed hundreds of millions in less than 100 years. Lets do some math, that is more than a million people killed a year by these commies. Do you want to continue?
Viet Kieu

United States

#8 Aug 13, 2008
VCterminator wrote:
<quoted text>
The communists under various leaders had killed hundreds of millions in less than 100 years. Lets do some math, that is more than a million people killed a year by these commies. Do you want to continue?
And so, you believe that you have right to kill these people?
"
1/ Jews,
2/ heretics,
3/ women,
4/ Gypsies
5/ and native peoples.
"
And committing these crimes?
"
1/ sins in the service of truth;
2/ sins against Christian unity;
3/ against the Jews;
4/ against respect for love,
5/ peace and cultures;
6/ against the dignity of women and minorities;
7/ and against human rights.
So long as the priest, that professional negator, slanderer and poisoner of life, is regarded as a superior type of human being,there cannot be any answer to the question: What is Truth?
[Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, b. Oct. 15, 1844, d. Aug. 25, 1900,]"

The creatures who have done these have the title as ..terminators of some kind in their names.
Copperfield

Montréal, Canada

#9 Aug 13, 2008
Hien tuong PhamMinhMan

Giao' Dan chong cong he` nhau to kho^? HongY tha^n co^ng.

http://www.dongduongthoibao.net/view.php...

Xin moi`

Since: Apr 08

Rutherfordton, NC

#10 Aug 13, 2008
Viet Kieu wrote:
<quoted text>
And so, you believe that you have right to kill these people?
"
1/ Jews,
2/ heretics,
3/ women,
4/ Gypsies
5/ and native peoples.
"
And committing these crimes?
"
1/ sins in the service of truth;
2/ sins against Christian unity;
3/ against the Jews;
4/ against respect for love,
5/ peace and cultures;
6/ against the dignity of women and minorities;
7/ and against human rights.
So long as the priest, that professional negator, slanderer and poisoner of life, is regarded as a superior type of human being,there cannot be any answer to the question: What is Truth?
[Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, b. Oct. 15, 1844, d. Aug. 25, 1900,]"
The creatures who have done these have the title as ..terminators of some kind in their names.
Why do you commies give Ho Chi Minh a more than human status? WHy is his statue in the temple in BInh DUong, where it does not belong?
abc

Hialeah, FL

#11 Aug 13, 2008
VCterminator wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you commies give Ho Chi Minh a more than human status? WHy is his statue in the temple in BInh DUong, where it does not belong?
You are a dumb kid. Be stupid as you can be.
abc

Hialeah, FL

#12 Aug 13, 2008
VCterminator wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you commies give Ho Chi Minh a more than human status? WHy is his statue in the temple in BInh DUong, where it does not belong?


Only your stupid people built and respected someone that killed and destroyed your country. Stupid father stupid son.
Truong Nhat Tao

Melbourne, Australia

#13 Aug 13, 2008
abc wrote:
<quoted text>
Only your stupid people built and respected someone that killed and destroyed your country. Stupid father stupid son.
Tai sao ban nang loi the. Neu co ai mang ban va cha me cua ban thi ban co vui khong? Ban da lam dung chu stupid hoi nhieu roi do. Co nen goi nguoi khac nhu the trong khi ban than cua minh cung dao co sang sua gi?
Truong Lam Chuyen

Long Beach, CA

#14 Aug 13, 2008
Phiengung wrote:
<quoted text>
Chook head,
Was it you or your superior that injected drug into Thuong toa Thich Quang Duc and then arranged for the foreign press crop to attend the burning of this poor monk?
Tuy tuyen bo minh la nguoi Cong Giao, Phiengung da lam trai nhieu dieu ran ma nay van ngang nhien tiep tuc pham toi. Phan duoi la vai dieu xau han da lam va day la hanh vi toi loi moi nhat cua Phiengung.

Cau 5 : Co nhung toi nao nghich voi dieu ran thu tam?
Nhung toi sau day nghich voi dieu ran thu tam:

...

- Lam mat thanh danh cua nguoi khac: noi hanh, noi xau, vu khong, noi gian...
- Noi doi khong dung su that - Tan duong, hoan ho nguoi khac khi ho lam dieu xau

Eighth Commandment (Dieu Ran thu 8)

1. What is the eighth commandment of God?
The eighth commandment of God is:

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor (2482-2483)

6. What does the eighth commandment forbid?
The eighth commandment forbids lying, rash judgments, perjury, false witness, rash suspicions, detraction, calumny, tale bearing and telling secrets we are bound to keep.

For more information see these links:
http://www.daughtersofstpaul.com/growinginfai...
http://www.simonhoadalat.com/HOCHOI/GIAOLUAT/...

How Phiengung has violated the Eighth Commandment?
In addition to some examples below, more of his other sinful deeds can be found all over the forum.

7. What is a lie?
A lie is an untruth said for the purpose of deceiving others.(2482-2483)

Phiengung wrote:
I apologise to forum...
...

9. What is a jocose lie?
A jocose lie is a story made up for the purpose of amusing or instructing others. It becomes sinful if the person telling it does not make it clear that it must not be taken literally.

Phiengung wrote:
Ti Hon co bang chung ko?
Noi bay coi chung bon viet cong cho di mo tom hay la cai tao mut ma Le Thuy do. Coi chung nhe

10. What is a mental reservation?
A mental reservation, made in circumstances when one is bound in conscience not to tell the entire truth, limits the sense of the speaker's words to a certain meaning. To make a complete reservation to the truth is a lie.(2488-2489)

Phiengung wrote:
...
I have called this person and many Vietcong supporters “stupid” and I stand by my statement. I have always give reason why I state that they are stupid. Below is a selection of this person’s intellectual property. It started from the page 336 which shown on the link below:
...
All vet cons,
...

12. What is rash judgment?
Rash judgment is believing, without sufficient reason, something harmful to another's character.(2477)

Phiengung wrote:
You are just a damned stupid.

Phiengung wrote:
chookhead,
...
You are beyond stupidity

Phiengung wrote:
You are beyond stupidity, Damai lagoon parrot
Truong Lam Chuyen

Long Beach, CA

#15 Aug 13, 2008
Phiengung
Canberra, Australia
|#3207
Yesterday

sao so long wrote:
"it is not what type of martial art is the best ! it's about how well you practice !"
USSR communist was collasped , but however China communist was very success.
USA capitalist is (was) success, however look at Mexico capitalist, look at Philipines !

Good point! We'll discuss about the very point you raise.

I know that you will come back. I know because like you, I do care about VN.

Have to take a plane back to Melbourne. Will definately reply to you
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/vietnam/TUQG...

Phiengung
Canberra, Australia
|#23 Yesterday
Last night, some young people from Germany tried to get information for their assigment.

If you can not offer anything useful, please viet cong, let other do.

I should not have to tell you how to behave in a civilised society. I care about the good people who like to learn and share ideas with each other

Of those who can not use their language skill to communicate, how about just read.

Have to catch a plane now. See you in Melbourne soon. In the meantime, behave vietcong crowd
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/vietnam/TUH8...

Phiengung

“For a Democratic Vietnam”
Joined: Jun 19, 2008
Comments: 322
Melbourne, Australia
|#3220
20 hrs ago

UncleTom wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's watch Phiengung flying from Melbourne to Melbourne tonight.
Uh?
Phiengung
Canberra, Australia
|#23 Yesterday
Last night, some young people from Germany tried to get information for their assigment.
If you can not offer anything useful, please viet cong, let other do.
I should not have to tell you how to behave in a civilised society. I care about the good people who like to learn and share ideas with each other
Of those who can not use their language skill to communicate, how about just read.
Have to catch a plane now. See you in Melbourne soon. In the meantime, behave vietcong crowd
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/vietnam/TUH8...

Phiengung
“For a Democratic Vietnam”
Joined: Jun 19, 2008
Comments: 322
Melbourne, Australia
|#3220
20 hrs ago

UncleTom wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's watch Phiengung flying from Melbourne to Melbourne tonight.
Uh?

Why do you have to raise this issue?

Shouldn't you concentrate on the issue of corruption by vietcong officials?

Do you think corruption by vietcong is bad for Vietnam?
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/vietnam/TUQG...
Viet Kieu

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#16 Aug 13, 2008
VCterminator wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you commies give Ho Chi Minh a more than human status? WHy is his statue in the temple in BInh DUong, where it does not belong?
Let's see, you are in the teen still your parents are around 50s, you grandparents are between 70s-80s. So your grand parents could not use grandiloquent words like you. You are an uncultured kid.
Go there and protest what you believe.

Since: Apr 08

Rutherfordton, NC

#17 Aug 14, 2008
abc wrote:
<quoted text>
Only your stupid people built and respected someone that killed and destroyed your country. Stupid father stupid son.
Ho Chi Minh and the communists destroyed the country. WHy do you respect them? using your a=own logic you must be stupid.
Viet Kieu

Long Beach, CA

#18 Aug 14, 2008
VCterminator wrote:
<quoted text>
Ho Chi Minh and the communists destroyed the country. WHy do you respect them? using your a=own logic you must be stupid.
People like father had help foreigners destroy the country.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/050300-102....
&fe ature=related
http://youtube.com/watch...
AlcansCollector

Dallas, TX

#19 Aug 14, 2008
Nguyen cao ki` <--- la nguoi ieu nouc
Nguyen cao ky` <--- la ten kuc ki` fan dong

Ca'c chau be' little VCs nen nho*' nhe'
Viet Kieu

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#20 Aug 14, 2008
AlcansCollector wrote:
Nguyen cao ki` <--- la nguoi ieu nouc
Nguyen cao ky` <--- la ten kuc ki` fan dong
Ca'c chau be' little VCs nen nho*' nhe'
U?a, co`n ma^"y nguoi` na^`y la` ai va^.y?
http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%ACnh:Dd_Ngu...
http://vietbao.vn/Chinh-Tri/Bo-mat-that-cua-Q...
http://tim.vietbao.vn/Nguy%E1%BB%85n_H%E1%BB%...

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