Eight hurt in loyalist protests

[I can read]

Dubbadub wrote:

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Fcuk the UK, that would have been my attitude, they weren't doing enough to protect Nationalist areas at the time, the Irish Army would have had every right to have gone up there and stopped what was happening.
As a matter of principle, the Irish Army should have went over the border, the Nationalists would have welcomed them as liberators and heroes.

No, they'd have welcomed them as martyrs and tens of thousands of people would have died.

[rio]

mikev483 wrote:

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tell me Dub just how long in your opinion,does someone and their ancestors have to live in a country before they become natives ?

If you are talking about the Protestants in Ulster, yes, it's amasing that after so many generations, they still don't feel they are Irish but prefer to be British. That's the stupidity of it; most people in UK don't give a damn about them!

[rio]

I can read wrote:

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No, they'd have welcomed them as martyrs and tens of thousands of people would have died.

Speculations, no more ...

[mikev483]

rio wrote:

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If you are talking about the Protestants in Ulster, yes, it's amasing that after so many generations, they still don't feel they are Irish but prefer to be British. That's the stupidity of it; most people in UK don't give a damn about them!

well the fact is that anyone who lives in Northern Ireland is living in Great Britain,so why would they want to feel Irish?

"most people in UK don't give a damn about them!"

it would be nice if you told us how you became qualified to speak for "most people" in the UK?

[I can read]

rio wrote:

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Speculations, no more ...

Anything to agree with the terrorist supporter dubby?

OK, how do YOU think the mainland would react to an invasion by the ROI?

How do YOU think the British army would alter their tactics if faced with an actual army?

[lollollol]

Flag is still down bitches. Once again the poorly educated, dumb as fuck huns, have let themselves down for the whole world to see. No excuses will make anyone in their right mind think yous are anything other than brainless thugs, clinging onto a country that hates you, living on land where you're not welcome. No matter what you argue, how far in history you go, you can't justify this latest incident. Its a pathetic, typical hun reaction to not getting what they want and everyone sees it but the Huns.

[Allymac]

lollollol wrote:

Flag is still down bitches. Once again the poorly educated, dumb as fuck huns, have let themselves down for the whole world to see. No excuses will make anyone in their right mind think yous are anything other than brainless thugs, clinging onto a country that hates you, living on land where you're not welcome. No matter what you argue, how far in history you go, you can't justify this latest incident. Its a pathetic, typical hun reaction to not getting what they want and everyone sees it but the Huns.

Bitch all you want....the Unionists just won't go away.

[Allymac]

Dubbadub wrote:

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So the Irish Army would have been interested in a sectarian war?
The Irish Defence Forces should have went over the border and lived up to their name.....

What...the inactive Army?At the minute they're defending Gormanstown army camp against the Irish customs people.Seems they have a fuel scam in operation.Are they that short of money?LMFAO.

[Oliver Cromwell]

Abrasive Beast wrote:

The army should be sent out of barracks to restore law and order.

They have been there and done that,remember?

[stuarty]

even im starting to get embarrassed about bein a prod.

[rio]

mikev483 wrote:

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well the fact is that anyone who lives in Northern Ireland is living in Great Britain,so why would they want to feel Irish?

Because they live in Ireland for centuries, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Refusing their Irish identity is just proof they don't want to integrate and be assimilated. They prefer to antagonise the native Irish and think they are better able than them to rule the country.

Strange, but you accuse the Muslims on the mainland to do the same: non-integration and non-assimilation.

I notice that you are increasingly contradicting yourself!
Well, that's a surprise ....

[rio]

stuarty wrote:

even im starting to get embarrassed about bein a prod.

And you have every reason to be!

Your position is untainable.

[Man of War]

stuarty wrote:

even im starting to get embarrassed about bein a prod.

It's always the same old story with loyalsts though isn't it stuarty? Their reaction is so predictable and they're always prone to shooting themselves in the foot.
If they would for once take a step back, they might see that what they're doing is exactly what Sinn Fein wants them to do and that they're playing them like a fiddle.

[mikev483]

rio wrote:

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Because they live in Ireland for centuries, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Refusing their Irish identity is just proof they don't want to integrate and be assimilated. They prefer to antagonise the native Irish and think they are better able than them to rule the country.
Strange, but you accuse the Muslims on the mainland to do the same: non-integration and non-assimilation.
I notice that you are increasingly contradicting yourself!
Well, that's a surprise ....

no brains ,they have been living the UNITED KINGDOM which is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.you will find that a person does not need to integrate and be assimilated in HIS OWN COUNTRY.

you are correct,a lot of Muslims refuse to integrate into the British way of life,which personally i think they should do,seeing has they have made the choice to live here.

i am not sure the subject of Muslim integration has anything to do with this thread or your bigoted hatred of the Protestants of Northern Ireland.

[rio]

mikev483 wrote:

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i am not sure the subject of Muslim integration has anything to do with this thread or your bigoted hatred of the Protestants of Northern Ireland.

I use that parallel to show your hypocrisy!

Protestants refusing to assimilate in Ulster is right.
But Muslims refusing to assimilate in England is wrong.

The Ulster Protestants have always been part of the United Kingdom; all what was asked from them is to assimilate in Irish society, and not to lord it as occupiers.
Even now, many Protestants in Northern Ireland refuse to grant equality to the Catholic community and think they have a god-given right to rule it.
That's why they throw tantrums when the opposite is demonstrated to them. They don't accept democratic decisions taken against their principles, and they think they can permanently taunt, humiliate and dominate the nationalists.
This flag episode is the perfect example of that backwards mentality. These guys must be very insecure!

[Oliver Cromwell]

Its tribalism pure and simple,over the years both sides have been Guilty of it,they need to grow up.

[mikev483]

rio wrote:

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I use that parallel to show your hypocrisy!
Protestants refusing to assimilate in Ulster is right.
But Muslims refusing to assimilate in England is wrong.
The Ulster Protestants have always been part of the United Kingdom; all what was asked from them is to assimilate in Irish society, and not to lord it as occupiers.
Even now, many Protestants in Northern Ireland refuse to grant equality to the Catholic community and think they have a god-given right to rule it.
That's why they throw tantrums when the opposite is demonstrated to them. They don't accept democratic decisions taken against their principles, and they think they can permanently taunt, humiliate and dominate the nationalists.
This flag episode is the perfect example of that backwards mentality. These guys must be very insecure!

my hypocrisy? this from the the guy who wanted to hold a referendum on the "ethnic cleansing" of Protestants from Northern Ireland.

nasty bigoted hypocrite.

[stuarty]

ean McConville was kidnapped by the IRA in west Belfast in 1972. The mother of ten was murdered and secretly buried in one of the most controversial killings of the Troubles.

For decades her loved ones had no idea what had happened to her, but her body was eventually found near a County Louth beach in 2003.

Her family were finally able to lay her to rest but the campaign for justice led by her sons Archie, Michael and James continues 40 years on.

Michael said Mr Adams apologised to him in private for the way the IRA had treated the family.

The Louth TD has always strenuously denied claims that he was a senior member of the IRA in Belfast at the height of the Troubles. He has also denied any knowledge of Ms McConville's murder.

Gerry Adams once apologised to me in private about what had taken place and the way the IRA had treated our family. And he shook my hand and he said:'I hope that does something for you'.

Michael McConville
Michael added: "That was no good; that was behind closed doors. I would like him to come out and say it publically."

There was no investigation into the disappearance for 20 years despite the family reporting her missing.

The first investigation started in 1995 - 23 years after Ms McConville disappeared.

"The whole family has been let down," Archie said.

Michael said: "If a proper investigation had taken place, I don't think they would have got my mother off the Falls Road and my mother would have still been alive today, if the police had done their jobs."

Michael was eleven when his mother was abducted.

"There was about ten or eleven of them. Some of them had masks on, some hadn't got masks on. Some of the women that were there, we knew them," he said.

"They used to live beside us. They turned round and said they were the IRA and that they were taking our mother away for questioning. We kept crying and said:'Sure you had her last night and you beat her up'."

My mother was panicking, she was in an awful state; she was shaking; she was crying; she was trembling with fear.

Michael McConville
Archie was sixteen years old then - and managed to persuade the gang to allow him to go with his distraught mother.

But they had a change of heart when they dragged the widow down the stairwell.

"There was another gang of them down at the bottom of the stairs... I was walking down with my mother and a man put a gun to my head," he said.

"That's how they got my mother out of the house."

Jim was just six years old. He said: "I still remember getting trailed upstairs, screaming crying after my mother and being put into a room.

"The nightmares never go away."

The IRA claimed Ms McConville was murdered because she was an informer. But an investigation by former Police Ombudsman Nuala O'Loan found no evidence of that.

Her family have always denied the claim, insisting she was murdered because she helped an injured British soldier near her west Belfast home.

"Everybody talks about my mother being murdered," Michael said. "My mother wasn't murdered, she was executed. She was taken to a beach, a gun was put to her head and the trigger was pulled."

"If this had happened in any other country, they would have been brought up for war crimes."

The PSNI have launched a new investigation into the murder.

© UTV News

[mikev483]

stuarty wrote:

ean McConville was kidnapped by the IRA in west Belfast in 1972. The mother of ten was murdered and secretly buried in one of the most controversial killings of the Troubles.
For decades her loved ones had no idea what had happened to her, but her body was eventually found near a County Louth beach in 2003.
Her family were finally able to lay her to rest but the campaign for justice led by her sons Archie, Michael and James continues 40 years on.
Michael said Mr Adams apologised to him in private for the way the IRA had treated the family.
The Louth TD has always strenuously denied claims that he was a senior member of the IRA in Belfast at the height of the Troubles. He has also denied any knowledge of Ms McConville's murder.
Gerry Adams once apologised to me in private about what had taken place and the way the IRA had treated our family. And he shook my hand and he said:'I hope that does something for you'.
Michael McConville
Michael added: "That was no good; that was behind closed doors. I would like him to come out and say it publically."
There was no investigation into the disappearance for 20 years despite the family reporting her missing.
The first investigation started in 1995 - 23 years after Ms McConville disappeared.
"The whole family has been let down," Archie said.
Michael said: "If a proper investigation had taken place, I don't think they would have got my mother off the Falls Road and my mother would have still been alive today, if the police had done their jobs."
Michael was eleven when his mother was abducted.
"There was about ten or eleven of them. Some of them had masks on, some hadn't got masks on. Some of the women that were there, we knew them," he said.
"They used to live beside us. They turned round and said they were the IRA and that they were taking our mother away for questioning. We kept crying and said:'Sure you had her last night and you beat her up'."
My mother was panicking, she was in an awful state; she was shaking; she was crying; she was trembling with fear.
Michael McConville
Archie was sixteen years old then - and managed to persuade the gang to allow him to go with his distraught mother.
But they had a change of heart when they dragged the widow down the stairwell.
"There was another gang of them down at the bottom of the stairs... I was walking down with my mother and a man put a gun to my head," he said.
"That's how they got my mother out of the house."
Jim was just six years old. He said: "I still remember getting trailed upstairs, screaming crying after my mother and being put into a room.
"The nightmares never go away."
The IRA claimed Ms McConville was murdered because she was an informer. But an investigation by former Police Ombudsman Nuala O'Loan found no evidence of that.
Her family have always denied the claim, insisting she was murdered because she helped an injured British soldier near her west Belfast home.
"Everybody talks about my mother being murdered," Michael said. "My mother wasn't murdered, she was executed. She was taken to a beach, a gun was put to her head and the trigger was pulled."
"If this had happened in any other country, they would have been brought up for war crimes."
The PSNI have launched a new investigation into the murder.
© UTV News

these are the vermin the notorious terrorist groupie RIO/RONAN SO ADMIRES.

[stuarty]

Chiefs of Staff of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (1969–present)

No. Name Assumed Position Left Position Source
Seán Mac Stíofáin December 1969 19 November 1972 [25]
Joe Cahill November 1972 March 1973 [26]
Seamus Twomey (1st time) March 1973 June 1973 [26]
Éamonn O'Doherty June 1973 June/July 1974 [27]
Seamus Twomey (2nd time) June/July 1974 December 1977 [26]
Gerry Adams[a] 3 December 1977 18 February 1978 [28][29][30][31][32]
Martin McGuinness[b] 1978 Autumn 1982 [26]
Ivor Bell Autumn 1982 September 1983 [26]
Kevin McKenna September 1983 October 1997 [26]
Thomas "Slab" Murphy October 1997

as you can see their is 5 numbered sources who make gerry chief of staff 1977/78 well he had to be top man in west belfast for some time to get this position .. so he has lied for some time to jeans family but he actually belives everyone believes every word he says.. this man is now td for louth ..god help them, he will die with his sins iv no doubt but the truth isnt in him