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rio

Beckenham, UK

#339 Nov 21, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
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Hamas is the problem.
There are undoubtedly many citizens that are suffering needlessly. Hamas is making them suffer.
But Hamas was elected in the first ballot ever held among Palestinians! That was a huge setback for Israel and the US.
For years they had claimed that Yasser Arafat and El Fatah weren't representative of the Palestinians; they insisted on an election.
The result was a slap in the face: Palestinians elected the more radical Hamas. Hamas is less enclined to compromise than Arafat.
So now, they have to live with that choice. Also, Hamas brought Iran in the equation, Israel's deadly enemy. So now, it's a case of "plague on your house" for Israel.

Hamas is far more organised than El Fatah; on the social front, they brought schools, hospitals, food distribution, care for elderly, etc... which Arafat never bothered with. That won the votes of Palestinian for them. They also stopped the corruption in Gaza by expelling all Fatah administrators, etc...
Abbas, Arafat's successor, now looks like a puppet in Israeli hands, and I presume he wouldn't be re-elected as president.

Yes, Hamas may look like the devil, but it was brought there by circumstances and Israel being clumsy.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#340 Nov 21, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
<quoted text>How many babies children want to willingly die martyrs though? A martyr should be willing to die for a cause, not slaughtered like a lamb.
We Westerners cannot understand the state of mind of people who have already suffered so much. The Palestinians have been subjugated for more than 60 years now. For years they were stateless, parked in camps with no hope for their future. Life is intolerable for many of them and death in combat may be seen as a glorious exit. I don't know. Sacrifying oneself or one's children is very Biblical as well.
mick rock

UK

#342 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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We Westerners cannot understand the state of mind of people who have already suffered so much. The Palestinians have been subjugated for more than 60 years now. For years they were stateless, parked in camps with no hope for their future. Life is intolerable for many of them and death in combat may be seen as a glorious exit. I don't know. Sacrifying oneself or one's children is very Biblical as well.
There you are speaking for all westeners some of us can understand because we have also suffered but you have not so keep your mind thats in a state on topics you know about !
rio

Beckenham, UK

#343 Nov 22, 2012
mick rock wrote:
<quoted text>There you are speaking for all westeners some of us can understand because we have also suffered but you have not so keep your mind thats in a state on topics you know about !
When did you suffer mick rock?

Were you born under occupation? Were your parents born under occupation? Were your grand parents born under occupation? Was your house surrounded by barbed wire as far as you can remember? Were't you allowed to live your house for days, sometimes weeks because the occupier was forbiding you? Couldn't you not attend school for years sometimes, because it had been bombed? Didn't you eat every day of your life? Was your water rationed so that you had to choose between washing or drinking? Were some of your relatives killed under your eyes? And then, did you have to watch their corpse decomposing in the stench under the sun, because you couldn't bury them? Didn't you have electricity every day? Were you prevented to leave home, to travel, to go visit relatives? Was your house searched regularly by soldiers and your possessions thrown on the floor? Was your house shelled? Did you spend nights and days frightened by the bombing? Did you worry about your mother, father or relatives if they left your house? Did you see kids your age falling under the fire of snippers whilst you were playing? etc...

So what sort of suffering did you hasve to endure mick rock, compared to what the Palestinians have experienced for the last ... 60 years?
mick rock

UK

#344 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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When did you suffer mick rock?
Were you born under occupation? Were your parents born under occupation? Were your grand parents born under occupation? Was your house surrounded by barbed wire as far as you can remember? Were't you allowed to live your house for days, sometimes weeks because the occupier was forbiding you? Couldn't you not attend school for years sometimes, because it had been bombed? Didn't you eat every day of your life? Was your water rationed so that you had to choose between washing or drinking? Were some of your relatives killed under your eyes? And then, did you have to watch their corpse decomposing in the stench under the sun, because you couldn't bury them? Didn't you have electricity every day? Were you prevented to leave home, to travel, to go visit relatives? Was your house searched regularly by soldiers and your possessions thrown on the floor? Was your house shelled? Did you spend nights and days frightened by the bombing? Did you worry about your mother, father or relatives if they left your house? Did you see kids your age falling under the fire of snippers whilst you were playing? etc...
So what sort of suffering did you hasve to endure mick rock, compared to what the Palestinians have experienced for the last ... 60 years?
I can honestly say yes to some of your examples and i can honestly say you and your vile comments repulse me.I COULD ALSO GIVE YOU MANY OTHER REAL LIFE EXAMPLES but alas you have stated that you are biased against ulster protestants so it would fall on death ears.
soapmann

Pittsburgh, PA

#345 Nov 22, 2012
youtube.com/watch... …Old Fart or young Stinkers and the one that got away
rio

Beckenham, UK

#346 Nov 22, 2012
mick rock wrote:
<quoted text>I can honestly say yes to some of your examples and i can honestly say you and your vile comments repulse me.I COULD ALSO GIVE YOU MANY OTHER REAL LIFE EXAMPLES but alas you have stated that you are biased against ulster protestants so it would fall on death ears.
It's so strange that you immediatly assumed I was talking about the nationalists in Ulster, when in fact, I was illustrating was is life for 1.5 million of Palestinians trapped in Gaza. How your mind works, eh...
The world is a bit bigger than Ireland, you know, and there are miseries a lot more unbearable than sectarian warfare in Belfast.
Yes, I admit that I was rather bias against the Ulster Protestant LEADERS, for having seen them many times on our TV screen and measured their contempt for humanity in genaral or our poor young soldiers dying so that they could stay on top. The Paisley and Robinson characters made my blood boil in the 80s, I admit.
Many time I wished our Parliament took our troops out and let them do the fighting themselves.
In fact, I had to review my position, because many Unionist leaders have finally bought the idea of peace and interacted with their nationalist counterparts. Who would have thought that, eh?
mick rock

UK

#347 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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It's so strange that you immediatly assumed I was talking about the nationalists in Ulster, when in fact, I was illustrating was is life for 1.5 million of Palestinians trapped in Gaza. How your mind works, eh...
The world is a bit bigger than Ireland, you know, and there are miseries a lot more unbearable than sectarian warfare in Belfast.
Yes, I admit that I was rather bias against the Ulster Protestant LEADERS, for having seen them many times on our TV screen and measured their contempt for humanity in genaral or our poor young soldiers dying so that they could stay on top. The Paisley and Robinson characters made my blood boil in the 80s, I admit.
Many time I wished our Parliament took our troops out and let them do the fighting themselves.
In fact, I had to review my position, because many Unionist leaders have finally bought the idea of peace and interacted with their nationalist counterparts. Who would have thought that, eh?
I am well aware you were talking about your beloved palestine but you are asking me questions if i had experienced any atrocities hence all the question marks(thats how it works,you ask a question and you get an answer)and what i had suffered,well little man or woman imnot sure you have no idea of my position but i am talking through bitter and tragic experience,you are talking through your cowardly ass.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#348 Nov 22, 2012
mick rock wrote:
<quoted text> i am talking through bitter and tragic experience,you are talking through your cowardly ass.
So.for you anyone who wasn't directly involved in that stupid feud, on one side or the other,, or didn't participate in the fratricide is a coward and shouldn't be allowed to emit an opinion?
Strange way to look at it.
After all it all happened in my country, probably cost some of my taxes, killed or maimed our soldiers, and put us on the front line at times.
Well, thanks God not so many people were killed or injured on the mainland because of the troubles, sorry about that! But we did have casialties too, bombings, etc... although not on the scale of Northern Ireland, of course.
But for you, we shouldn't have to right to talk about it, have an opinion, or even, dare I say, take side. Well, why not?
Do you think that outside Ulster, people should have been kept in the dark and fed on bullshit, so that the sad story didn't come out?
There is nothing coward about a mainlander discussing Northern Ireland. So, you lot wanted to stay British, but the Brits shouldn't be allowed to talk about you? Phew....
mick rock

UK

#349 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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So.for you anyone who wasn't directly involved in that stupid feud, on one side or the other,, or didn't participate in the fratricide is a coward and shouldn't be allowed to emit an opinion?
Strange way to look at it.
After all it all happened in my country, probably cost some of my taxes, killed or maimed our soldiers, and put us on the front line at times.
Well, thanks God not so many people were killed or injured on the mainland because of the troubles, sorry about that! But we did have casialties too, bombings, etc... although not on the scale of Northern Ireland, of course.
But for you, we shouldn't have to right to talk about it, have an opinion, or even, dare I say, take side. Well, why not?
Do you think that outside Ulster, people should have been kept in the dark and fed on bullshit, so that the sad story didn't come out?
There is nothing coward about a mainlander discussing Northern Ireland. So, you lot wanted to stay British, but the Brits shouldn't be allowed to talk about you? Phew....
Opinions are welcome and what this forum is all about.I am just not interested in your ill informed,one sided,biased(your own words describing yourself)opinion sitting there slagging the people of ulster off.Your opinion consists of too many vile insults and your rant against british soldiers from ulster who have served and lost their lives in ulster was shameful.You are cowardly scum !

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#350 Nov 23, 2012
rio wrote:
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We Westerners cannot understand the state of mind of people who have already suffered so much. The Palestinians have been subjugated for more than 60 years now. For years they were stateless, parked in camps with no hope for their future. Life is intolerable for many of them and death in combat may be seen as a glorious exit. I don't know. Sacrifying oneself or one's children is very Biblical as well.
From what I understand, these people made themselves homeless by leaving Israel when the surrounding arab nations started on Israel in the first place.
Now their decendants are suffering.

Doesn't make it right or good, perhaps peace with Israel is the only way forward.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#351 Nov 23, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
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From what I understand, these people made themselves homeless by leaving Israel when the surrounding arab nations started on Israel in the first place.
Now their decendants are suffering.
Doesn't make it right or good, perhaps peace with Israel is the only way forward.
Yeah, blame the victims.

Thay fits well ...

And what about those Palestinians expelled from their land NOW, to make room for more Jewish settlements on the West Bank, in contravention of several UN resolutions?
rio

Beckenham, UK

#352 Nov 23, 2012
mick rock wrote:
<quoted text>Opinions are welcome and what this forum is all about.I am just not interested in your ill informed,one sided,biased(your own words describing yourself)opinion sitting there slagging the people of ulster off.Your opinion consists of too many vile insults and your rant against british soldiers from ulster who have served and lost their lives in ulster was shameful.You are cowardly scum !
You would be surprised how many people in mainland Britain couldn't care less about Ulster, and how many sympathised with the nationalist cause anyway.
Most people condemned the IRA bombings, of course, but were also disgusted to see our Army defending the arrogants Unionists who have blackmailed Westminster for the last 100 years with their secterian attitude, their intolerance and their intransigence.
Almost every one knows that what brought peace in Ulster was the IRA laying down their arms, not the Army, nor the Protestants.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#353 Nov 23, 2012
rio wrote:
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Yeah, blame the victims.
Thay fits well ...
And what about those Palestinians expelled from their land NOW, to make room for more Jewish settlements on the West Bank, in contravention of several UN resolutions?
Why have all other arab countries in the area, refused to take in the palistineans? Why do so many, want nothing to do with them?...
rio

Beckenham, UK

#354 Nov 23, 2012
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Why have all other arab countries in the area, refused to take in the palistineans? Why do so many, want nothing to do with them?...
That's not the point; why should they?
Why should the Arab countries be seen endorsing Israel's ethnic cleaning policy?

In fact, as you should know, many Palestinians have been living for decades in Lebanon, and Jordan; Israel went to attack them there! But those living in Gaza and on the West Bank are there under internationally agreed UN resolutions; it's their country!

Israelis want to solve the Palestinian problem by ethnic cleansing and genocide: that started already under British Protectorate in the 20s! It is well documented.
elephant in the room

London, UK

#355 Nov 23, 2012
rio wrote:
Israelis want to solve the Palestinian problem by ethnic cleansing and genocide: that started already under British Protectorate in the 20s! It is well documented.
Those pesky Zionists didn't do a very good job did they, considering how many Israeli arabs there are, 20% of Israels population, you'd have thought if ethnic cleansing was on their agenda they'd have cleaned up their own backyard first.

You argument doesn't bode well does it.
mick rock

UK

#356 Nov 23, 2012
rio wrote:
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You would be surprised how many people in mainland Britain couldn't care less about Ulster, and how many sympathised with the nationalist cause anyway.
Most people condemned the IRA bombings, of course, but were also disgusted to see our Army defending the arrogants Unionists who have blackmailed Westminster for the last 100 years with their secterian attitude, their intolerance and their intransigence.
Almost every one knows that what brought peace in Ulster was the IRA laying down their arms, not the Army, nor the Protestants.
The ira are still killing ,murdering and beating and the rest of your observations should surprise me accordig to you,well they do not,just more terrorist supporting shameful one sided crap - HANG YOUR HEAD LOW !

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#357 Nov 23, 2012
mikev483 wrote:
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the killing of ANY child is wrong.positioning rockets in civilian areas knowing full well they will attract incoming fire is wrong too.yet that is exactly what the scum of Hamas do.
why not try a bit of honesty for a change and answer this question.
how many dead Israelis would there be if Hamas had the superior fire power that the Israelis posses?
The Israeli's have shot dead an unarmed Gaza civlian on the border. DURING what was meant to be a cease-fire.

So do the Palestinians now have the right to strike back?

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#358 Nov 23, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
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Hamas is the problem.
There are undoubtedly many citizens that are suffering needlessly. Hamas is making them suffer.
The Israeli's have shot dead an unarmed Gaza civilian during the cease-fire.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-2...

His crime? Trying to put a Hamas flag on a fence. Hardly worthy of a death sentence is it?
elephant in the room

London, UK

#359 Nov 23, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
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The Israeli's have shot dead an unarmed Gaza civlian on the border. DURING what was meant to be a cease-fire.
So do the Palestinians now have the right to strike back?
No.

The pallies started it first, three rockets fired just hours after the ceasefire.

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