Scottish News: Thousands at pro-independence march

Sep 22, 2012 Full story: Irvine Herald 42

Thousands of people have taken to the streets of Edinburgh in one of the largest pro-independence marches the city has seen.

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jason norris

Liverpool, UK

#2 Sep 22, 2012
the real DUD FIVERS wrote:
get back to work, you lazy jocks. When you go independent, the handoots will come to an end. No more Arts Council-financed arty poofery and pretentious miming at the "Fwinge" festival any more.
well said. it has to be noticed that legalising sodomite marriage is the mainstay of their campaign.Perhaps that is one way to ensure zero population growth, or some other festering reason being kept under their kilts at this moment.
Bill

UK

#5 Sep 23, 2012
taking about your selves again dud and jason my my what a sad lot you are when you know full well that Scotland keeps you alive why do you think that Cameron is trying to stop independence for Scotland he know that you can't survive without the Scottish
humberman99

Liverpool, UK

#7 Sep 23, 2012
Bill wrote:
taking about your selves again dud and jason my my what a sad lot you are when you know full well that Scotland keeps you alive why do you think that Cameron is trying to stop independence for Scotland he know that you can't survive without the Scottish
I would not for one moment insult the scots. Never in a thousand years.
It is so called upper echelons that the scots have over them who aspire to independence. They are actually Quislings, but just for who I have not worked that out.
But certainly the Sodomites for a starter.
One needs to investigate what schools these people attended, and to investigate possible abuse towards them. That could explain their lapdog accolades towards sodomy.
fraoch

Methven, UK

#8 Oct 26, 2012
HaHa! Its so Weird the "Opposition" try to bring out the "Worst" LOL!!! XXXX oops kiss,kiss,kiss!! GET IN THERE WEE ECK!! I will still love ye, even if oor break up fails!! Long live the TRUTH and long live SALMOND! Alba Gu Brath!

“Liberalism”

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#9 Nov 29, 2012
If UK have anti-EU politic, and if EU not become common State as USA, UK will loose Scotland north Ireland and all colonies.
Svetlana

UK

#11 Dec 14, 2012
Scotland should be Independent just like other small countrie, I am living fur short time and universiti but love Scotland, just be free like my own
rio

UK

#12 Dec 14, 2012
jason norris is humberman99.

You will always see 2 posts in quick succession from the same individual using different names.
rio

UK

#13 Dec 14, 2012
Svetlana wrote:
Scotland should be Independent just like other small countrie, I am living fur short time and universiti but love Scotland, just be free like my own
Scotland should be given a referendum, just like any small nation part of a larger country.
Every 5 years, not once in a lifetime, they should be consulted to see if they want independence.
Autodetermination is a right.
rio

UK

#14 Dec 14, 2012
european2012 wrote:
If UK have anti-EU politic, and if EU not become common State as USA, UK will loose Scotland north Ireland and all colonies.
There should be no more colonies in the 21st centuey.
Colonisation is supposed to have ended decades ago.
Rio is Ronan

London, UK

#15 Dec 15, 2012
Rio is Ronan.
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#16 Dec 15, 2012
rio wrote:
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Scotland should be given a referendum, just like any small nation part of a larger country.
Every 5 years, not once in a lifetime, they should be consulted to see if they want independence.
Autodetermination is a right.
Except if you live in NI or the falklands, right?

You're so full of shit..........
rio

Beckenham, UK

#17 Dec 15, 2012
I can read wrote:
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Except if you live in NI or the falklands, right?
Yes, those are colonies.
my aunt fanny

UK

#18 Dec 15, 2012
european2012 wrote:
If UK have anti-EU politic, and if EU not become common State as USA, UK will loose Scotland north Ireland and all colonies.
Scotland will be leaving the EU along with the rest of the UK.

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublication...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/...
rio

Beckenham, UK

#19 Dec 15, 2012
my aunt fanny wrote:
<quoted text>Scotland will be leaving the EU along with the rest of the UK.
Frankly, I cannot think of a better scenario: Scotland voting to stay in the Union, which itself decides to leave the EU.

The EU has to be considered the Public Enemy Number One for Britain!
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#20 Dec 15, 2012
rio wrote:
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Yes, those are colonies.
So 'autodetermination is a right' except for colonies.

Argentina shouldn't be allowed to exist then?

Except of course you already said that not only should they exist, we should either force the falkland islanders to join them or start an ethnic cleansing campaign to force the islanders from their homes.

That's just one of a huge number of colonies who were given self determination and are now countries.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#21 Dec 15, 2012
I can read wrote:
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So 'autodetermination is a right' except for colonies.
Argentina shouldn't be allowed to exist then?
Except of course you already said that not only should they exist, we should either force the falkland islanders to join them or start an ethnic cleansing campaign to force the islanders from their homes.
That's just one of a huge number of colonies who were given self determination and are now countries.
Britain should get out of the Falklands, that's what I said.
Britain will not be able to maintain its sovereignty over that colony for ever: that's obvious.
What the Argentine couldn't obtain by force, they are slowly getting by an economic blockade, with the cooperation of other South American nations.
It's better to reach a compromise now than loose face later.

The difference with other colonies is that this one is actually claimed by another country, like Hong King was by China. So, the path isn't to access to independence, but a transfer of sovereignty.
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#22 Dec 15, 2012
rio wrote:
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Britain should get out of the Falklands, that's what I said.
Britain will not be able to maintain its sovereignty over that colony for ever: that's obvious.
What the Argentine couldn't obtain by force, they are slowly getting by an economic blockade, with the cooperation of other South American nations.
It's better to reach a compromise now than loose face later.
The difference with other colonies is that this one is actually claimed by another country, like Hong King was by China. So, the path isn't to access to independence, but a transfer of sovereignty.
So the rights of the people who live there are meaningless because another country has made a claim, even though the falklands have been British longer than Argentina has even existed?

By the same token, you think the USA should really be part of France, right? They had no rights to declare independance and instead should have been forced to become part of France because France had a claim. Since France actually existed when the US declared independance from us, they clearly have a much better claim on the US than argentina has on the falklands.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#23 Dec 15, 2012
I can read wrote:
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So the rights of the people who live there are meaningless because another country has made a claim, even though the falklands have been British longer than Argentina has even existed?
By the same token, you think the USA should really be part of France, right? They had no rights to declare independance and instead should have been forced to become part of France because France had a claim. Since France actually existed when the US declared independance from us, they clearly have a much better claim on the US than argentina has on the falklands.
Rights mean nothing. We jettisoned some colonies without ever consulting the inhabitants or asking the British settlers their wishes. So that line is a dead end.
I am talking about practicality here, and the fact that Britain in the long run, will be unable to enforce its sovereignty over the Falklands.
It's obvious that we well meet mounting pressure from Argentina and the South American countries, and that economically and militarily, we will be less and less able to keep these islands.
So, waiting for the inevitable to happen and doing nothing in between is just being blinkered.

As for France and the US. First, I wasn't aware that France claimed any part of the US. Second, France actually helped the American colonies during their independence war. Thirs, France, under Napoleon, sold to the USA huge tracks of land in what used to be called Louisiana, almost doubling the size of the US then.

So, having sold its colonies in North America, I cannot see France claiming them back, do you?
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#24 Dec 15, 2012
rio wrote:
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Rights mean nothing.
OK Joseph. Say hi to Mrs Stalin for me.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#25 Dec 17, 2012
I can read wrote:
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OK Joseph. Say hi to Mrs Stalin for me.
How easy is it for Argentines to emigrate to the Falklands?

Maybe they could do that, systematically make the place majority Argentine then vote it out of British hands....

They could learn a lot from the British swindle job in Northern Ireland.....

Isn't that right?

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