EDL's Leader Jailed For 10 Months

[Dubbadub]

mikev483 wrote:

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but you "understand" them don't you?

No I don't understand them.

However the British have killed far more Irish children over the years, not to mention the British Forces colluding with Loyalist terrorists the killers of over 800 innocent civilians.

You still support them.

[mikev483]

Dubbadub wrote:

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LOL the dumb far right British attitude
''We ate them terrorists we do''
Why is there terrorists? Are they just doing it for the laugh? No reason behind it no?
How naive can one be.
LOL and your heroic ''Army'' who were colluding with terroirsts who killed over 800 civilians in NI.
High moral ground? British Army sure lost of all theirs when they started colluding.....

just think Dub when your balls finally drop you may move from the spineless "understanding" of terrorism to the honest, but despicable "supporter" of terrorism.

why are there terrorists? you would be better off asking one of them,i don't know how their sick twisted minds can justify murdering unarmed men,women and children.but then again i don't admit to "understanding" them,do i?

[Dubbadub]

mikev483 wrote:

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just think Dub when your balls finally drop you may move from the spineless "understanding" of terrorism to the honest, but despicable "supporter" of terrorism.
why are there terrorists? you would be better off asking one of them,i don't know how their sick twisted minds can justify murdering unarmed men,women and children.but then again i don't admit to "understanding" them,do i?

LOL and your the supporter on an army that was involved in terrorism.

So the terrorists are just there for fun? They put their lives at risk and risk years in prison just for fun?

I don't understand how members of an army can pretend to be impartial and be helping terrorists secretely. You appear to ''understand'' how this can happen.....

[jason norris]

Dubbadub wrote:

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The hate from your bigtos has been here for hundreds of years. Torching kids alive among other things. And you want to pontificate to me?
You scum....

Columbia?? more innocents on the slaughter list? Excuse: Oh it was the British that made us do this???

you sick wanker.

[mikev483]

Dubbadub wrote:

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How come the Loyalists killed more civilians in NI despite killing less people overall? 85% of the people they killed were INNOCENT CIVILIANS. What was all that about?
And your ''army'' colluded with them.
And the British Army colluded with Loyalist TERRORISTS.
So what does that make the British Army during the Troubles then?
Cowards too?

forgive me Dub,you are so right.

it takes immense bravery to plant a bomb in a waste bin outside of McDonals in Warrington, no wonder you are so proud of your heroes!

knobhead.

[mikev483]

Dubbadub wrote:

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LOL and your the supporter on an army that was involved in terrorism.
So the terrorists are just there for fun? They put their lives at risk and risk years in prison just for fun?
I don't understand how members of an army can pretend to be impartial and be helping terrorists secretely. You appear to ''understand'' how this can happen.....

this is the last time you tedious twat.

any British soldier caught colluding with terrorist scum should be punished to the total extent of the law.

now you can lie and pretend i have never made the above statement before,to be honest it would not surprise me at all.

[Dubbadub]

jason norris wrote:

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Columbia?? more innocents on the slaughter list? Excuse: Oh it was the British that made us do this???
you sick wanker.

Dublin and Monaghan Bombings?

Your excuse:''It was the Republicans''

What a silly wanker.....

[Dubbadub]

mikev483 wrote:

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forgive me Dub,you are so right.
it takes immense bravery to plant a bomb in a waste bin outside of McDonals in Warrington, no wonder you are so proud of your heroes!
knobhead.

Takes immense bravery to blow up 34 innocent shoppers on one day. Collusion.....

[Dubbadub]

mikev483 wrote:

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this is the last time you tedious twat.
any British soldier caught colluding with terrorist scum should be punished to the total extent of the law.
now you can lie and pretend i have never made the above statement before,to be honest it would not surprise me at all.

So thats hundreds of them that should be punished to the total extent of the law? Good to know, lets hope some of them are, because Republicans and Loyalists went to jail, the COLLUDING so called ''army'' scum never saw the inside of a jail cell for their crimes. Hiding behind their uniform, and these are the types who were meant to be keeping peace between both sides? What a horrible lie that one was, good to see all the truth is coming out now.

[Dubbadub]

The Bengal Tiger wrote:

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East Pakistan separated from West Pakistan because of neglect and abuse on part of West Pakistan. East Pakistan was fairly lawless and forgotten by West Pakistan. East Pakistan had no voice when it came to its own affairs, as well.
Examples of neglect include:
The East Pakistani population was 58% of the total population of the WHOLE of Pakistan. This majority were not even allowed to have their language as one of the national languages until after a bloody battle between army and students.
Sub standard goods were sold from West Pakistan to East Pakistan at double the price. East Pakistan was not allowed to deal directly with any neighbouring countries
East Pakistani had no representation in the armed forces or in government or local office.
East Pakistan was very much in the same position as modern day province Baluchistan. Like East Pakistan, Baluchistan has an independence movement - the Baluchistan Liberation Army. It is fighting for independence for very much the same reason as East Pakistan did.
Many Pakistani supporters and Pakistani propagandists suggest the real cause due to which east Pakistan was separated from west Pakistan was the interference of India in Pakistan's internal matters, and then surprisingly in 1971 Indian army attacked East Pakistan resulting in the formation of Bangladesh,from Pakistan's perspective.
In reality, Indias involvement came after 10,000,000 East Pakistani refugees fled into India across the border. Part of West Pakistani genocide programs. The cost of feeding the refugees and epidemic from disease resulting from this tradgedy prompted then Indian Prime Minister Indira Ghandi to raise the issue with the UN. However the UN at that time was involved with the politics of the "Cold War" with US allies and USSR allies veteoing and counter veteoing proposals.
With this ineptitude of the UN, India took an opportunity to help its neighbouring Bengalis and assisted in destroying an already weakened and dilapitated West Pakistani enemy force.
It must also be mentioned that the First "offical" strike between West Pakistan and India was actually led by West Pakistan on the Western front when it made a PRE-EMPTIVE strike on India's airbase and tried to cripple India's air force. the stratedgy was based on the Jewish/Israeli PRE-EMPTIVE strike of the 6 day war used in 1966 against Arab/Muslim forces.
East Pakistan won their independence in 1971 and shortly after, in 1973 (Inspired by Bangladesh's success) the first Baluchi uprising started with a 55,000 man rebellion against Punjabi domination in Pakistan.

That is actually really interesting never knew about any of that and never knew Pakistan had a history of oppression against what is now Bangladesh. Cheers for the information, they really should teach us abolut some of this stuff growing up. Really similar to other siuations around the world. Happy that Bangladesh won its independence.

[Dubbadub]

The Bengal Tiger wrote:

Here are several levels of involvement and they scale upwards to International level.
ARMY V CIVILIANS
Military rule was a means of controlling the populace.
The ability to subvert democracy had undoubtedly caused injustice and inequality among classes.
When the army finally relented and allowed for elections to take place the Majority of the country elected Sheikh Mujib, a Bengali to be elected as Leader of all of Pakistan.
The Army quickly stepped in, in order to delay the process.
A WEST PAKISTANI V A EAST PAKISTANI (Bangldesh)
A general term but the Overwhelming majority of population was East Pakistani, but this population was under represented in all facets of the country, from employment, income, government, army, education and even language.
Economically the distribution of aid was unequally distributed with West Pakistani receiving much of the aid at the expense of East Pakistanis.
PAKISTAN V INDIA
2 wars between India and Pakistan had preceeded the Bangladeshi war of Independence.
Of course it was in the interest for Pakistan to be split but Pakistans genocide against fleeing Bengalis and the pre-emeptive strike against Indian airbases enabled India to milk the opportunity for all its worth.
USA V USSR V CHINA
The USA was trying to gain a close friendship with Pakistan in order to gain access to China.
Pakistan and China were close allies and China had split away from the USSR version of Communism. America saw a relationship between USA and China as a away of nullifying the Soviet threat.
America had also wanted to use an Island in East Pakistan as a naval base to give it clout in the region.
Especially with India on its doorstep and other countries such as Vietnam and Cambodia close by.
American action in this independence movement was criticised heavily back in the senate and on an international level.
They tried to delay the process in order for West Pakistan to quell the movement but underestimated East Pakistani resolve and Overestimated West Pakistans ability to perform in such a different environment from what they were used to.

Oh yes I think he was the leader the person I was talking to was telling me about. He got killed didn't he? Stupid how they try to hold so many people down and actually think they will get away with it forever. Glad that they didn't.

Did that cause a lot more problems between India and Pakistan? Are relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh still bad? Do Bangladesh and India have good relations because of the Indian's stance on Pakistan during the independece struggle?

I'm not surprised to hear of the American's involvement they are usually involved in things like this for dubious reasons. I;m glad though that the plan did not succeed and that the Bengali people were successful in gaining their independence. Thanks for the information.

[Dubbadub]

The Bengal Tiger wrote:

Most Pakistani will never apologise for the war against Bangladesh and the war crimes committed.
Like all civil wars, the side that wants to break away is always labelled as a “traitor” by the other group and this is the attitude in the minds of Pakistani also, but the East Pakistani were not trying to take over West Pakistan so were not therefore traitors; they simply wanted to dissolve the union between them.
Why did the East Pakistani want to declare independence? Well part of it was due to West Pakistan wanting to impose Urdu as the official language of East Pakistan (with the inevitable erosion of culture) but also due to the fact that East Pakistani were not only oppressed by being denied positions in government in natural numbers befitting the union but also denied high office in natural numbers.
The other huge problem is that East Pakistan was used as a cash cow; the West Pakistani benefited from the resources of the area(jute,tea,fishing,sugar industries)and its people but gave little back. So it was no better than under British rule.
So this situation could not go on and East Pakistan sought independence. So how did West Pakistan reply? Well by genocide of 3 million and 400,000 rapes.
West Pakistan brought the war to East Pakistan, not the other way around.

Very interesting.

Yeah I don't get how they can call them ''traitors'' as it was their oppressive policies regarding language, political office, resources etc which caused the people to rise up. 3 million killed 400,000 rapes that is such a high number of people, I'd say the relationship between Bangladesh and Pakistan is still bad because of this? Glad that Bangladesh was established and the people now have their independence. What is Bangladesh like now? Is it a lot better off? Is it growing economically now like India?

[Revo]

Dubbadub wrote:

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Very interesting.
Yeah I don't get how they can call them ''traitors'' as it was their oppressive policies regarding language, political office, resources etc which caused the people to rise up. 3 million killed 400,000 rapes that is such a high number of people, I'd say the relationship between Bangladesh and Pakistan is still bad because of this? Glad that Bangladesh was established and the people now have their independence. What is Bangladesh like now? Is it a lot better off? Is it growing economically now like India?

Silly little bog trotter talking smack AS USUAL.

I wonder how many of your pira brothers Martin helped to send down.You talk about collusion, you have no idea.....lol

[Dubbadub]

Revo wrote:

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Silly little bog trotter talking smack AS USUAL.
I wonder how many of your pira brothers Martin helped to send down.You talk about collusion, you have no idea.....lol

''Talking smack''? Nice African-American slang.....

Now all you have to do is get used to Mohammed being the most popular boys name in your country......

Should get used to that name, Mohammed.....

[The Bengal Tiger]

Dubbadub wrote:

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Very interesting.
What is Bangladesh like now? Is it a lot better off? Is it growing economically now like India?

Yes it is a lot better off since it separated from Pakistan, Pakistan's GDP is about 4% PA, where as ours have risen to 6.5-7% PA,we are beating India on some scales,we are the 2nd largest Garments Manufacturers and Exporters of Garments in the world after China,we have industries like tea,fish,jute,paper,sugar etc.
More women are in education than men,it's becoming digital,we have women drivers, and we already had two female PMs in our country,As its a democratic country,the current government respects all religions,unlike Pakistan,even though they have become democratic, the peoples mental attitudes haven't changed, I think they have far to go.
Our current government is going to nationalise schools in March some time,Education is free also monitoring Madrasser's (Islamic schools)to teach the correct form of Islam, loads of these students in these Madrassa's were being radicalised, which were initially funded by the Arabs and Pakistan, from the tenor of the previous government(BNP & JI) which had a conservative militant form of Regime to direct the people of Bangladesh.

Don't forget the leadership of Pakistan has always been dictated by militants, no matter who is the leader In Pakistan they will always be dictated by the army, the Politicians are just a Puppet in Pakistan who are controlled by the military,who have never been out of the box and usually religious fanatics.
we have better foreign policies than Pakistan,as its a democratic country,Pakistan only became democratic in 2010,Pakistan has problems every where to their arrogance of understanding,they have several languages in Pakistan, Balochistan is a part of Pakistan,they want to separated from them,there is a disputed Area in north Pakistan between Afghanistan,China,India and themselves,before the British left India,they didn't divide this area properly between these countries,hence they are always in constant battle with their neighbours,they are also fighting Warsitan and many others in their country, where as we haven't got any enemies hence as a result we don't have that interference from our neighbours, unless our government becomes pro Pakistan again then their will be trouble like bringing in extremist's, the current government we have is pro India, that's why at the moment,we have a better relationship with India than the previous government did.
The current government leader(Sheikh Hassina)father(Sheikh Mujibur Rahman)is the founding father of Bangladesh,which never forgets India's help during the Liberation war.

Yes to your question we are doing a lot better than Pakistan is at the moment,and much better off without Pakistan, if we were still with Pakistan, we would still be the slaves of Pakistan and have many problems as they are having now.

Now Pakistan is known as a failed state,where as we are an emerging Economy.

there is a really good article below (written by a Pakistani Journalist in a Pakistani Newspaper)about the state of Pakistan and Bangladesh:-

http://dawn.com/2011/04/01/success-and-failur...

[school of urdunomics]

The Bengal Tiger wrote:

...More women are in education than men,it's becoming digital,we have women drivers, and we already had two female PMs in our country,As its a democratic country,the current government respects all religions,unlike Pakistan,even though they have become democratic, the peoples mental attitudes haven't changed, I think they have far to go.

Yes, English law, of which your countries law is based on, is a much fairer system than sharia, eh.

You're welcome!

It's what the EDL have been saying all along. Perhaps you could write a letter of support to them and Tommy Robinson, seeing as you agree with some (at least) of their arguments.

[The Bengal Tiger]

school of urdunomics wrote:

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Yes, English law, of which your countries law is based on, is a much fairer system than sharia, eh.
You're welcome!
It's what the EDL have been saying all along. Perhaps you could write a letter of support to them and Tommy Robinson, seeing as you agree with some (at least) of their arguments.

I DON'T FCKING THINK SO, MOST OF YOU WANKERS ARE THE FCKING SAME AS THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE SLAGGING OFF INCLUDING THE FCKING EDL NAZIS!!!!

[Sick of muslims]

The Bengal Tiger wrote:

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I DON'T FCKING THINK SO, MOST OF YOU WANKERS ARE THE FCKING SAME AS THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE SLAGGING OFF INCLUDING THE FCKING EDL NAZIS!!!!

The EDL are not Nazis.

Muslims are Nazis. The EDL stand for all races and cultures that don't want to be oppressed by your DISGUSTING PEOPLE.

[school of urdunomics]

The Bengal Tiger wrote:

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I DON'T FCKING THINK SO, MOST OF YOU WANKERS ARE THE FCKING SAME AS THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE SLAGGING OFF INCLUDING THE FCKING EDL NAZIS!!!!

Well, that's gratitude for you!

So you'd prefer sharia based law for bangladesh, would you?

[The Bengal Tiger]

Sick of muslims wrote:

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The EDL are not Nazis.
Muslims are Nazis. The EDL stand for all races and cultures that don't want to be oppressed by your DISGUSTING PEOPLE.

I'm SICK OF NAZI LIKE YOU SO FCK OFF, WHO EVER INCITES HATE LIKE THE EDL ARE FCKING NAZI TO ME, THEY ARE THE FCKING SAME AS what you call the THE RADICAL ISLAMIST's!!!

IN my previous posts I have mention dose an Eye for an Eye make you equal, NO IT DON'T IT MAKES YOU EQUAL AS THEM THAT YOU ARE SLAGGING OFF hence!!! FCKING BLIND LIKE YOU! A FCKING FACSIST NAZI!!! OR A RADICAL ISLAMIST!!!(ISLAMOFASCIST)