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CrimeaRiver

Wandsworth, UK

#2 Jan 3, 2014
Hows uranus wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new s/article-2533138/British-man- charged-murder-telling-mistres s-dunk-crying-baby-bucket-inte rrupting-Skype-chat-watching-d rowned.html
Sounds like a weak defense on the part of the woman if you ask me. If the woman was in physical fear of Quereshi then you can understand her actions. But the guy was many miles away in a different country. Even if he did ask her to dunk the baby's head in a bucket, she didn't have to do it.

Sounds dodgy to me.

But holding a British passport is enough to be British
Miguel

London, UK

#5 Jan 3, 2014
Hows uranus wrote:
<quoted text>according to some - but unless you really want to be part of britain, you aren't. They often consider the "caliphate of islam" to outrank their "britishness"
YOU don't decide who's British and who isn't.
rio

London, UK

#6 Jan 3, 2014
Did Fivers up to his moniker trick again ...
CrimeaRiver

Wandsworth, UK

#7 Jan 3, 2014
Hows uranus wrote:
<quoted text>according to some - but unless you really want to be part of britain, you aren't. They often consider the "caliphate of islam" to outrank their "britishness"
that is both the beauty and flaw of Britain.

The beauty is that Britain truly is all inclusive. Regardless of faith, colour, politics, sexual preference. Even those who don't hold a Britsh Passport have pretty much the same rights as those who do.

But that is also the downside to Britain. Someone can threaten to harm Britain and all who live here but still be protected by the state they hate. Look at the Abu Hamza debacle.

Don't get me wrong - Britain's foreign policies are hapless and we deserve much of the criticism we get from the rest of the world.

But Britain as a hub of inclusivity and tolerance cannot be matched. Even the USA can't compete.
rio

London, UK

#8 Jan 3, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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that is both the beauty and flaw of Britain.
The beauty is that Britain truly is all inclusive. Regardless of faith, colour, politics, sexual preference. Even those who don't hold a Britsh Passport have pretty much the same rights as those who do.
But that is also the downside to Britain. Someone can threaten to harm Britain and all who live here but still be protected by the state they hate. Look at the Abu Hamza debacle.
Don't get me wrong - Britain's foreign policies are hapless and we deserve much of the criticism we get from the rest of the world.
But Britain as a hub of inclusivity and tolerance cannot be matched. Even the USA can't compete.
Very true.

Britishness is a mixture of contradictions unequaled in the world.

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#9 Jan 3, 2014
Hows uranus wrote:
<quoted text>according to some - but unless you really want to be part of britain, you aren't. They often consider the "caliphate of islam" to outrank their "britishness"
Exactly! People like him are only British when they need or want help from the UK government.

Like the Islamic terrorists who go on Jihad to the middle east and then come crying and yelling to the UK for help or using their Britishness to gain leniency when they are caught by their fellow jihadist opposition!

His muslim internet bint shouldn't have been talking to a strange man let alone following his command to drown the child!

Next thing they'll be telling us is Islam is the religion of peace fully expecting us to believe them!!

Since: Mar 10

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#10 Jan 3, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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that is both the beauty and flaw of Britain.
The beauty is that Britain truly is all inclusive. Regardless of faith, colour, politics, sexual preference. Even those who don't hold a Britsh Passport have pretty much the same rights as those who do.
But that is also the downside to Britain. Someone can threaten to harm Britain and all who live here but still be protected by the state they hate. Look at the Abu Hamza debacle.
Don't get me wrong - Britain's foreign policies are hapless and we deserve much of the criticism we get from the rest of the world.
But Britain as a hub of inclusivity and tolerance cannot be matched. Even the USA can't compete.
Abu Hamza and muslim traitors like him would have been kicked out of the UK much earlier if it wasn't for the European court of human rights!

So, he can thank our unelected masters in Brussels and not the UK government.

It would be nice if Britons could decide for themselves who they can and cannot allow into their country and who they can eject as undesirables like Hamza and co..

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#11 Jan 3, 2014
rio wrote:
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Very true.
Britishness is a mixture of contradictions unequaled in the world.
If you were truly British you'd realise that most inhabitants of the UK regard themselves as English, Irish, Welsh or Scottish.

Regional identities are held closer to the heart than Britishness.

Britishness is a recent invention ...
rio

London, UK

#12 Jan 3, 2014
jodi_e wrote:
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most inhabitants of the UK regard themselves as English, Irish, Welsh or Scottish.
Regional identities are held closer to the heart than Britishness.
Britishness is a recent invention ...
Maybe true if you live in the North or outside of England itself, but I have always considered that mentality as backwards.
Together we form a viable country, a nation with common history
Separated, we are just 4 regions without much identity.

The proportion of people who don't feel English, Scot, Welsh or Irish is growing anyway.
Already 13% of the UK population was born abroad, and they feel no affinity for the "regions", only for Britain. The proportion will grow as well.

Many Scots, Welsh and Irish live in England; how can they reject Britishness?
CrimeaRiver

Wandsworth, UK

#13 Jan 3, 2014
jodi_e wrote:
<quoted text> If you were truly British you'd realise that most inhabitants of the UK regard themselves as English, Irish, Welsh or Scottish.
Regional identities are held closer to the heart than Britishness.
Britishness is a recent invention ...
That is not always the case. Minorities in England are sometimes wary of calling themselves English because they feel English has a racial/ethnic connotation. But they will happliy and proudly call themselves British because that is their Nationality.

They will of course Support the England footbal team when they play Scotland though.
rio

London, UK

#14 Jan 3, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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That is not always the case. Minorities in England are sometimes wary of calling themselves English because they feel English has a racial/ethnic connotation. But they will happliy and proudly call themselves British because that is their Nationality.
They will of course Support the England footbal team when they play Scotland though.
There are also plenty of English people of mixed origins, with a parent or grand-parent Scottish, Irish or Welsh, and calling themselves English seems to exclude that part of their heritage.
rio

London, UK

#16 Jan 3, 2014
Dud Fivers wrote:
Rio never really acts as if he is british OR English. He might well be, but he constantly supports alien cultures and lifestyles that are not suited to britain at all.
I defend tolerance, and that something you cannot stomach.

I also like diversity and multi-cuturalism, which is something else you don't like.

I speak as I find people behaving towards me and avoid generalising; you do it all the time.

I adapt to change; you resist it.

I go with the flow and you try to swim against the tide.

Etc... etc ....

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#17 Jan 3, 2014
rio wrote:
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Maybe true if you live in the North or outside of England itself, but I have always considered that mentality as backwards.
Together we form a viable country, a nation with common history
Separated, we are just 4 regions without much identity.
The proportion of people who don't feel English, Scot, Welsh or Irish is growing anyway.
Already 13% of the UK population was born abroad, and they feel no affinity for the "regions", only for Britain. The proportion will grow as well.
Many Scots, Welsh and Irish live in England; how can they reject Britishness?
The North of England shared a more common history with Scotland rather than with Southern England.

Cornwall is agitating for autonomy, it traditionally shared more with the Bretons.
Together the UK may be a viable nation but a common history it's regions/counties have never shared.

To describe yourself as Scottish, Welsh, English, Irish or of mixed parental identity is not a rejection of being British. The fact that the UK as separate football/rugby leagues is proof of that!

Since: Mar 10

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#18 Jan 3, 2014
rio wrote:
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I defend tolerance, and that something you cannot stomach.
I also like diversity and multi-cuturalism, which is something else you don't like.
I speak as I find people behaving towards me and avoid generalising; you do it all the time.
I adapt to change; you resist it.
I go with the flow and you try to swim against the tide.
Etc... etc ....
I trust you'll say the same to you muslim brothers in Londons east end!

You know, the one's who accepted free social housing and handouts but hate all non-muslims and gays!

Since: Mar 10

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#19 Jan 3, 2014
Dud Fivers wrote:
Rio never really acts as if he is british OR English. He might well be, but he constantly supports alien cultures and lifestyles that are not suited to britain at all.
To people like him London IS the UK!

Since: Mar 10

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#20 Jan 3, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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That is not always the case. Minorities in England are sometimes wary of calling themselves English because they feel English has a racial/ethnic connotation. But they will happliy and proudly call themselves British because that is their Nationality.
They will of course Support the England footbal team when they play Scotland though.
Good point!

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#23 Jan 3, 2014
In what way, form or fashion a group of Somali goat herders have enriched the UK is a complete mystery known only to themselves!
rio

London, UK

#24 Jan 3, 2014
jodi_e wrote:
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The North of England shared a more common history with Scotland rather than with Southern England.
Cornwall is agitating for autonomy, it traditionally shared more with the Bretons.
Together the UK may be a viable nation but a common history it's regions/counties have never shared.
To describe yourself as Scottish, Welsh, English, Irish or of mixed parental identity is not a rejection of being British. The fact that the UK as separate football/rugby leagues is proof of that!
OK, you have made your point.

You are in favour of the balkanisation of Britain, so that each bigot an contemplate his little fiefdom and hate the village next door. Bravo !

And many people don't give a fcuk about football!

That shows your priority in life ...
rio

London, UK

#25 Jan 3, 2014
jodi_e wrote:
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To describe yourself as Scottish, Welsh, English, Irish or of mixed parental identity is not a rejection of being British. The fact that the UK as separate football/rugby leagues is proof of that!
This is stupid beyond stupid.
There are several territorial leagues because in view of the many British clubs, it would be near impossible to have a British League anyway giving all of them a chance to participate.
The solution would be to have less clubs or regional qualifications.
Also, supporting a team isn't proof of loyalty to a region, or a country.
People in Malaysia, Nigeria, China etc... support Chealsea, or Manchester, or Arsenal, buy tons of memorabilia, DVD of matches, etc....
These people aren't English and have never set foot in England!!!
Just like there are people in Cornwall, London or Cambridge supporting Liverpool, etc...
rio

London, UK

#26 Jan 3, 2014
Dud Fivers wrote:
More thoughts of Chairman Rio - "The proportion of people who don't feel English, Scot, Welsh or Irish is growing anyway.
Already 13% of the UK population was born abroad, and they feel no affinity for the "regions", only for Britain. The proportion will grow as well."
many moslems have NO feeling for Britain at all, and think that some bogus islamic world caliphate comes first. That is a dangerous minority that shouldn't be here at all.
Don't confuse your wishes for reality.

Once someone has acquired British nationality, he/she has the same rights as you, regardless of their race or religion, even if you don't approve of it That's the reality.

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