Battle over blame after horsemeat discovery

Feb 10, 2013 Full story: Local10.com 30

High-stakes lawsuits, overlapping investigations and a bitter battle over blame are spreading across Europe in the wake of a scandal that has rocked the meat industry.

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Eat more Hoss

UK

#1 Feb 10, 2013
Comigel is a French company,and its well know that the French don't have any issues whatsoever with eating Horse meat. I am sure that they as the major producers of this processed food will have known fine well what the ingredients were. All end users have quality systems which require them to audit their sub-suppliers, and monitor activities at all times to ensure quality is maintained.

In the French eyes putting horse in beef would have been seen as a bonus and not as a problem.

Personally I see the need for honesty in terms of wdvertising what is being sold. However I don't see this as being a healths scare as the horse meat is likely to be better quality than the beef carcass remenants that normally finds its way into processed food like Tesco's value burgers are four burgers for a pound.

If the consumers of this kind of product was let into a food factory then eating horse meat would be the last of their worries.

The real consumer lesson to learn here is to STOP buying processed food altogether!

Buy fresh meat and you will know exactly what you are paying for. If you want to be lazy, then don't cry when its not quite what you imagined.

But for your protection I hope this trivial investigation kicks off into a more detailed investigation of the food processing industry, and leads to tight rules that take into account the health of the consumer.
Timmy Mullet

London, UK

#2 Feb 10, 2013
I don't think it's so much a health scare eating (some) processed meat like AMR* meat. But if you ever saw the process in which it were made, i doubt very much if you'd eat it.

I don't eat economy sausages or burgers for this reason. If i order a full English, i'll double up the bacon, because, at least it's an actual cut of meat, not that AMR crap.

*AMR - Advanced meat recovery

Timmy Mullet

London, UK

#3 Feb 10, 2013
Hmmm, having said that, there could be potential side effects from eating unregulated horse meat, a common painkiller used for horses (bute-Phenylbutazone) doesn't sound particular healthy for human consumption.

http://sportpolo.com/Barn/Phenylbutazone.htm

"Human Health Risks

Humans should not inhale the powder or ingest Bute. Wash hands immediately after administering Bute. In humans, bone marrow, renal, cardiovascular and gastrointestinal side effects are associated with use of Phenylbutazone."
rio

Beckenham, UK

#4 Feb 10, 2013
Eat more Hoss wrote:
I don't see this as being a healths scare as the horse meat is likely to be better quality than the beef carcass remenants that normally finds its way into processed food like Tesco's value burgers are four burgers for a pound.
I disagree.
Beef mostly comes from animals that have been bred and fatten for meat. They are not old animals.
Horse meat, in the opposite, may come from working animals at the end of their working life.
In any case, I think misleading the customers as to the origin of their meat, and label horse meat as beef, is a fraud in my book.
That incident should be a reminder that customers can't take nothing at face value and be constantly on their guard.
To maximise their profits, the big food chains are ready to do anything.
Horsemeat Harry

UK

#5 Feb 11, 2013
I expect you will find that many halal butchers are selling horsemeat, and unfit for consumption beef and other delights.

the horsemeat in Findus foods isn't even "fit for humans" hoss meat. No-one is surprised a lot comes from Bulgaria and Romania. And I don't think those arabs bury their "noble horses " in the desert, they end up in Kebabs.

Since: Mar 12

Paris, France

#6 Feb 11, 2013
Eat more Hoss wrote:
and its well know that the French don't have any issues whatsoever with eating Horse meat. I am sure that they as the major producers of this processed food will have known fine well what the ingredients were.
Not really, I would say that over half the population would have issues with eating horsemeat (I do) and 100% would consider problematic to have horsemeat contaminated with forbbiden drugs smuggled into their food. This smacks of loose control process (at least) and most likely fraud on a large scale.

“Discreet Bi guy 54”

Since: Jan 13

Milford Haven

#7 Feb 11, 2013
I used to be a butcher and would have no problem eating horse meat if its safe aregulated. I dont choose to it as I dont want to......The main culprit here is the supermarket, they award contracts to companies who then expand and invest to enable them to meet the order and after the initial contract expires the supermarket then tells them they can buy cheaper elsewhere which forces the supplier to reduce its price just to survive. This is not done for the benifit of the shopper but to the huge profits some supermarkets make..When the suppliers are faced with no profit they then try and find cheaper produce just to stay afloat. The horse meat has come from countries with no control, the animals could have been infested with worms or have TB, When a health minister appears on TV and says there's no risk to public health he should be sacked, total incompitance....And lets hope people avoid these greedy ,underhand stores altogether.

“Contemporary Celtic Hero”

Since: Feb 13

Catuvellaunia

#8 Feb 11, 2013
Buy meat from farm shops or butchers.

Even the best meat from supermarkets has been water-bloated, and probably treated with chemicals.

Certainly avoid processed meats, which could have come from anywhere, and be full of absolutely anything.

Since: Mar 12

Paris, France

#9 Feb 11, 2013
rio wrote:
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In any case, I think misleading the customers as to the origin of their meat, and label horse meat as beef, is a fraud in my book.
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Exactly and French authorities lean in the same direction. some people will have to explain tehmselves : http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/02...
Dont eat Dobbin

UK

#11 Feb 12, 2013
Taliesin Pendragon wrote:
Buy meat from farm shops or butchers.
Even the best meat from supermarkets has been water-bloated, and probably treated with chemicals.
Certainly avoid processed meats, which could have come from anywhere, and be full of absolutely anything.
Treated with polyphosphates and water. I totally agree. Even for poor people with little spares, surley buying a small amount of mince from the butcher and making a stew or a curry with vegetable etc is going to work out far cheaper and healthier than having the same made for you by a French company. That's the sort of advertising the FSA and government need to be putting out.

I also agree about the unregulated slaughter of horses and the potential for having the meat contaminated with drugs not intended for the food chain. Regulations are essential. This idea of of an unregulated free for all has come from the USA, and you can see what crao the Americans are fed.
Yeshi Gemaneh

Oakland, CA

#12 Feb 12, 2013
Not even think of eating horse meat culturally and from religion aspect. Eating meat is not mandatory, poor people are more careful what they eat and in many instance they are healthy. Instead of meat they eat different kind of beans or vegetables and that would compromise their meat intake. I hope whoever controlling meat market will avoid such as this of horse meat or any other prohibited meat to get into the market.
Revo

Leyton, UK

#13 Feb 12, 2013
The poice have just raided an abattoir in west yorkshire..........
Camilla

London, UK

#14 Feb 12, 2013
Eat more Hoss wrote:
Buy fresh meat and you will know exactly what you are paying for.
You reckon? Maybe safer to eat fresh poultry or fish - at least if it has fins or feathers you can't disguise it easily as something with hooves...

Since: Mar 12

Vauréal, France

#15 Feb 12, 2013
Camilla wrote:
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You reckon? Maybe safer to eat fresh poultry or fish - at least if it has fins or feathers you can't disguise it easily as something with hooves...
Horsemeat looks very different from other red meat, very dark for one thing (I tend to find this maroon color rather creepy). Unless ground and mixed up with something else you could never mistake it for beef or pork.
Camilla

London, UK

#16 Feb 12, 2013
Well I have seen some maroon-coloured overpriced sirloin in the supermarket... mince could be anything these days.
rio

UK

#17 Feb 12, 2013
Revo wrote:
The poice have just raided an abattoir in west yorkshire..........
What is the POICE ?
Fred Nose

UK

#18 Feb 12, 2013
rafflespembs wrote:
I used to be a butcher and would have no problem eating horse meat if its safe aregulated. I dont choose to it as I dont want to......The main culprit here is the supermarket, they award contracts to companies who then expand and invest to enable them to meet the order and after the initial contract expires the supermarket then tells them they can buy cheaper elsewhere which forces the supplier to reduce its price just to survive. This is not done for the benifit of the shopper but to the huge profits some supermarkets make..When the suppliers are faced with no profit they then try and find cheaper produce just to stay afloat. The horse meat has come from countries with no control, the animals could have been infested with worms or have TB, When a health minister appears on TV and says there's no risk to public health he should be sacked, total incompitance....And lets hope people avoid these greedy ,underhand stores altogether.
Correct. They use agents to buys the meat for them, usually a whole string of agents with whom the supermarket has no direct contract or contact. The agents compete on price and the supermarkets turn their backs on quality, until they get investigated, then they blame the agent. Dog eat dog when its a tough economy, or in this case, horse.
pass the potatoes

Plattsburg, MO

#19 Feb 12, 2013
Yeshi Gemaneh wrote:
Not even think of eating horse meat culturally and from religion aspect. Eating meat is not mandatory, poor people are more careful what they eat and in many instance they are healthy. Instead of meat they eat different kind of beans or vegetables and that would compromise their meat intake. I hope whoever controlling meat market will avoid such as this of horse meat or any other prohibited meat to get into the market.

Yep, it is cultural. I would never eat horse. Id sooner ear grass or leaves off a tree if there was nothing else. Thankfully we dont have that problem. However did you know Obama signed an order allowing horse for human consumption? and there are US horse plants. So it's all possible.

I dont believe its economics either. They could easily raise goats sheep bison or elk. There are bison & elk farms i used to buy from. elkusa.com online delivers. Today im 99% vegan. Certainly no horse or swine or any other scavengers. Horse doesnt chew its cud like a cow. This may or may not pollute the flesh. Either way im not eating it. Too many other foods. No need to.
theresa

Ireland

#22 Feb 13, 2013
there have been so many businesses blamed for this so far, now they have the spotlight closer to home,
it is hard to beleive who is to blame until all the results are in,
was it labelled on purpose as beef instead of horsemeat,
was it put in processed food knowingly and passed off as beef,
i dont know, and i dont know which is worse.
but for us the consumer the law was broken,
i do have a habit of reading ingredients on packaging,
but from now on, does it matter whether i read it or not, as we have now found out that, it was not as it said on the box.
our local butcher is my man, always was, and will be.
wedled

Pittsburgh, PA

#23 Feb 13, 2013
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I hope that was a Trotter

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