Belfast to open Ireland's 1st abortion clinic

[Dubbadub]

Puddleofpepsi wrote:

<quoted text> i agree but at the sme timw, if a chick gets upstick and the guy and woman don't have the finincial ability to support a kid... does the world really need another welfare baby?

Thats a fair point. I'd rather that than nothing to be honest. I can understand what your saying though, its a good point.

[Dubbadub]

swerty wrote:

say its a one nite event, then is she meant to go looking for him, or rape or a child rapist,women should have the rite to choose what they want do with there own bodys,and change her mind later on<quoted text>

What???

[Dubbadub]

Bitner wrote:

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It may take sperm to make a fertilized egg, but it is the woman who gestates the pregnancy, complete with all the things that can go wrong with her health, and even possible risk to her life. The man incurs NO physical risks during the pregnancy, nor is he legally obligated to help with it financially. That being the case, only SHE gets to decide if she will take those risks or not.
Would you want to allow "equal" say for the man if SHE wanted to continue an unplanned pregnancy, and HE wanted an abortion? No? How would you suggest determining whose say is paramount if there is disagreement? The only fair thing to do is to have the one gestating have the final say.
It is not a matter of equal rights, because there is no equal risk to life and health. If you don't like that biological inequity, I suggest you take it up with the Designer of your choice.
When men can gestate, then THEIR pregnancies will be THEIR choice, and the woman won't have a say about the man's pregnancy, okay?

Yes thats true the woman puts herself at risk during the pregnancy. This is why contraception is very important. If a woman doesn't want it to happen there are plenty of ways to prevent becoming pregnant. I agree with abortion if the child is going to be born severely disabled, if there is a physical threat to the womans life or if the woman was the victim of a sexual assault.

''Would you want to allow "equal" say for the man if SHE wanted to continue an unplanned pregnancy, and HE wanted an abortion? No?How would you suggest determining whose say is paramount if there is disagreement? The only fair thing to do is to have the one gestating have the final say ''

I don't agree with abortion, but in the scenario you have mentioned, yes I do believe the man has an equal say in the matter. After all, there would be no ''baby'' if it wasn't for him. Did that slip your mind?

''It is not a matter of equal rights, because there is no equal risk to life and health. If you don't like that biological inequity, I suggest you take it up with the Designer of your choice.
When men can gestate, then THEIR pregnancies will be THEIR choice, and the woman won't have a say about the man's pregnancy, okay?''

It is a matter of equal rights. It took the man and the woman to make the baby. The 'baby' contains both their dna. There is just as much genetic connection between the man and the 'baby' as there is the woman. Just because the woman gives birth, doesn't mean the man who created the 'baby' has any less say over the 'baby's' existence. We all understand how babies are made, if some women aren't happy with men having an equal say then thats their problem, it is clear that the man deserves an equal say.

If I get someone pregnant (happened before), you think the woman has a greater say over that 'baby' and what happens to it than me???

What happened to all that equality the feminists mouth off about? Only when it suits eh? They want equality in wages, jobs, political representation, etc which I agree with. Oh but when it comes to the life of an unborn 'baby' they want to have a superior say over the man that it wouldn't exist without? Women understand the ''risk'' that preganancy brings before they get pregnant. No point trying to use that as an excuse.

Want equality? Or do you only want equality when it suits you???

[Bitner]

Dubbadub wrote:

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Yes thats true the woman puts herself at risk during the pregnancy. This is why contraception is very important. If a woman doesn't want it to happen there are plenty of ways to prevent becoming pregnant. I agree with abortion if the child is going to be born severely disabled, if there is a physical threat to the womans life or if the woman was the victim of a sexual assault.
''Would you want to allow "equal" say for the man if SHE wanted to continue an unplanned pregnancy, and HE wanted an abortion? No?How would you suggest determining whose say is paramount if there is disagreement? The only fair thing to do is to have the one gestating have the final say ''
I don't agree with abortion, but in the scenario you have mentioned, yes I do believe the man has an equal say in the matter. After all, there would be no ''baby'' if it wasn't for him. Did that slip your mind?
''It is not a matter of equal rights, because there is no equal risk to life and health. If you don't like that biological inequity, I suggest you take it up with the Designer of your choice.
When men can gestate, then THEIR pregnancies will be THEIR choice, and the woman won't have a say about the man's pregnancy, okay?''
It is a matter of equal rights. It took the man and the woman to make the baby. The 'baby' contains both their dna. There is just as much genetic connection between the man and the 'baby' as there is the woman. Just because the woman gives birth, doesn't mean the man who created the 'baby' has any less say over the 'baby's' existence. We all understand how babies are made, if some women aren't happy with men having an equal say then thats their problem, it is clear that the man deserves an equal say.
If I get someone pregnant (happened before), you think the woman has a greater say over that 'baby' and what happens to it than me???
What happened to all that equality the feminists mouth off about? Only when it suits eh? They want equality in wages, jobs, political representation, etc which I agree with. Oh but when it comes to the life of an unborn 'baby' they want to have a superior say over the man that it wouldn't exist without? Women understand the ''risk'' that preganancy brings before they get pregnant. No point trying to use that as an excuse.
Want equality? Or do you only want equality when it suits you???

We already have equality. A man has just as much right to decide what will not happen inside his body that a woman does. The only inequality in the case of pregnancy is biological, and not an inequality created by the woman. It's inside her body, she gets to decide if it will remain so or not.

You DO realize that the logical conclusion of your position would allow him to force her to have an abortion, right?

[Puddleofpepsi]

Dubbadub wrote:

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Thats a fair point. I'd rather that than nothing to be honest. I can understand what your saying though, its a good point.

Thing is, women are already having abortions, that is the reality. If it were totally criminalised in ROI and UK then they would travel further afield to have it done or scary back street clinics may re-appear. Women using these places are putting their health or even their lives at risk. If the foetus does indeed feel pain then I'd imagine it would probably feel a lot more if the operation is carried out in a back street "clinic". Keeping offical legal abortion clinics out of thew country only exports the problem. But as someone else has said already, it is a grey area and a bit head wrecking too. Some will argue that it's an individual's personal choice but others will argue that because the foetus is a human that's the same as saying that murder is an individuals personal choice. Not only a grey but a multicoloured area as both are good arguments.

[Puddleofpepsi]

who gives a fk lyk wrote:

I personally don't give a fk tbh , people should have the ryt to do wat ever they want ,
If they'er not ready for a child then fair play , let them terminate the pregnancy fs ,
I'm totally fed up hearing about this cr@p , kill them all, babys are gurney we b@st@rds any way
Fk like , I've learnt not to take like so seriously ,after all, no body gets out alive neways ,
Fk the goverment , fk the people ,
I care for myself and only myself , fk every 1 else ,
Why don't people think along the lines as me fs ,
Fk the world , fk everything ,
Time for a joint of this homegrown weed.,

LMFAO! I like your philosophy bruv

[Ocean56]

jason norris wrote:

agree 100%. There again, they have been killing here for over 40 years so makes no odds to the communists.

Whatever THAT means. In any case, YOU don't get to force women to stay pregnant, give birth, and be mothers, no matter how much you want to.

Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, even if a pregnancy happens. That means a woman is free to opt OUT of motherhood if she doesn't want pregnancy or children. Not YOUR pregnancy? Not your decision, simple as that.

[jason norris]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Whatever THAT means. In any case, YOU don't get to force women to stay pregnant, give birth, and be mothers, no matter how much you want to.
Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, even if a pregnancy happens. That means a woman is free to opt OUT of motherhood if she doesn't want pregnancy or children. Not YOUR pregnancy? Not your decision, simple as that.

you certainly do get worked up. Have noted the dates. Menstrual problems obviously so we will not take you too seriously.

[Ocean56]

jason norris wrote:

you certainly do get worked up. Have noted the dates. Menstrual problems obviously so we will not take you too seriously.

Yeah, when backward-thinking morons like you can't think of anything else to say, lame insults are all you have to offer.

By the way, I doubt any women take anything YOU say seriously either. That is, if they bother talking to you in real life at all. Any woman who is smart would run as far AWAY from you as humanly possible, given your 19th-century mentality. Why any woman would WANT to be nothing more than a man's unpaid housekeeper is beyond me.

[jason norris]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Yeah, when backward-thinking morons like you can't think of anything else to say, lame insults are all you have to offer.
By the way, I doubt any women take anything YOU say seriously either. That is, if they bother talking to you in real life at all. Any woman who is smart would run as far AWAY from you as humanly possible, given your 19th-century mentality. Why any woman would WANT to be nothing more than a man's unpaid housekeeper is beyond me.

you have a mindset similar to that of the person who rejected the invention of the wheel. Real women enjoy real men. As a menstrual debilating hypochondriac you have a retardation and should seek medical advice.
My advice to you is to get laid as often as possible.

[Ocean56]

jason norris wrote:

you have a mindset similar to that of the person who rejected the invention of the wheel. Real women enjoy real men. As a menstrual debilating hypochondriac you have a retardation and should seek medical advice.
My advice to you is to get laid as often as possible.

ANY woman who is naive enough to enjoy YOUR company has my deepest sympathies. I don't take advice or anything else from backward-thinking morons.

As I said before, you can insult me all you want, it doesn't make any difference to me. Motherhood is still OPTIONAL, not required, which means a woman can opt OUT of motherhood if she wants nothing to do with pregnancy or children. Other than whine incessantly, there's nothing YOU can do about it.

[jason norris]

Ocean56 wrote:

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ANY woman who is naive enough to enjoy YOUR company has my deepest sympathies. I don't take advice or anything else from backward-thinking morons.
As I said before, you can insult me all you want, it doesn't make any difference to me. Motherhood is still OPTIONAL, not required, which means a woman can opt OUT of motherhood if she wants nothing to do with pregnancy or children. Other than whine incessantly, there's nothing YOU can do about it.

nothing I want to do about it. 7 days.

[rio]

Ocean56 wrote:

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ANY woman who is naive enough to enjoy YOUR company has my deepest sympathies. I don't take advice or anything else from backward-thinking morons.
As I said before, you can insult me all you want, it doesn't make any difference to me. Motherhood is still OPTIONAL, not required, which means a woman can opt OUT of motherhood if she wants nothing to do with pregnancy or children. Other than whine incessantly, there's nothing YOU can do about it.

Bravo, well done!!

Women fully in charge of their own fertility and deciding if they want to opt for motherhood or not.
Unwanted pregnancy shouldn't be seen as an inevitable sentence for a woman; whatever the circumstances.
Also, MEN should be barred from legislating on purely feminine issues!

[jason norris]

rio wrote:

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Bravo, well done!!
Women fully in charge of their own fertility and deciding if they want to opt for motherhood or not.
Unwanted pregnancy shouldn't be seen as an inevitable sentence for a woman; whatever the circumstances.
Also, MEN should be barred from legislating on purely feminine issues!

please explain what you mean by "purely feminine issues?"

[rio]

jason norris wrote:

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please explain what you mean by "purely feminine issues?"

Fertility, contraception, abortion, maternity are feminine issues.
Whatever you think, they don't happen to men, and they shouldn't be the concern of men.

Your mother didn't tell you that?
Or maybe you despised her like you do other women on this forum...

[jason norris]

rio wrote:

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Fertility, contraception, abortion, maternity are feminine issues.
Whatever you think, they don't happen to men, and they shouldn't be the concern of men.
Your mother didn't tell you that?
Or maybe you despised her like you do other women on this forum...

all those problems have been aired and shared with men. It was men who first invented the sanitary towel for instance. Maternity is a shared problem, between male and female, abortion also is a shared problem. As is fertility.
You have your brains stuck in the nether region of your choice.
There are no feminine issues for another reason, equality of the sexes.
So make up your mind, if you want equality then men must share, if you do not then go off to the sands of the Kalahari and become a concubine.

[rio]

jason norris wrote:

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all those problems have been aired and shared with men. It was men who first invented the sanitary towel for instance. Maternity is a shared problem, between male and female, abortion also is a shared problem. As is fertility.
You have your brains stuck in the nether region of your choice.
There are no feminine issues for another reason, equality of the sexes.
So make up your mind, if you want equality then men must share, if you do not then go off to the sands of the Kalahari and become a concubine.

I am a MAN, you f*ckwit!! The best way to give equality to women, is to give them some respect!

Maybe you have never noticed that reproduction, fertility, contraception, maternity, abostion, child rearing affect women, and their bodies!

So, when men have periods, get pregnant, carry a child, give birth, breastfeed, etc... maybe they will have right to emit an opinion on these subjects, but until then, they aren't qualified to do so. And the issues of contraception and abortion are also for women to decide, not men.

Maybe that is to difficult for a misogynist and control freak like you to understand?
Your mother should have aborted you!!

[mikev483]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Whatever THAT means. In any case, YOU don't get to force women to stay pregnant, give birth, and be mothers, no matter how much you want to.
Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, even if a pregnancy happens. That means a woman is free to opt OUT of motherhood if she doesn't want pregnancy or children. Not YOUR pregnancy? Not your decision, simple as that.

apart from cases of rape,isn't getting pregnant optional?

[rio]

mikev483 wrote:

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apart from cases of rape,isn't getting pregnant optional?

... says the misogynistic pig !!

[jason norris]

rio wrote:

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I am a MAN, you f*ckwit!! The best way to give equality to women, is to give them some respect!
Maybe you have never noticed that reproduction, fertility, contraception, maternity, abostion, child rearing affect women, and their bodies!
So, when men have periods, get pregnant, carry a child, give birth, breastfeed, etc... maybe they will have right to emit an opinion on these subjects, but until then, they aren't qualified to do so. And the issues of contraception and abortion are also for women to decide, not men.
Maybe that is to difficult for a misogynist and control freak like you to understand?
Your mother should have aborted you!!

I doubt you are a member of the male sezx. I have read other posts by you and think that either you are a butch bull dyke or a homosexual. You caertainly lack balls and if you are an advert for the British mindset then pity the British Nation.
There is a partnership between normal men and women, stress the word "normal". That partnership does not extend to abnormals, so one assumes you speak for the abnormals.
The word "misogynist", as used by you, is now the "in" word to be used against men who do not like lesbians. Well, wrong again, because they provide normal men with good entertainment value, nothing nicer than a couple of buth bull dykes trying to emulate men. Real turn on.
You are just a useless twittering left wing nothing person. As much use as a fart in a gale.