Did Ukrainians rape German women in 1945 while in Red Army?

[gelios]

Yes, they did it. Ukrainians raped as well as others - strange even to ask this question, the answer is obvious.

[Amicus]

gelios wrote:

Yes, they did it. Ukrainians raped as well as others - strange even to ask this question, the answer is obvious.

As many soldiers have said after 1 year in mud, blood and death while starving and cold , the last thing on a soldiers mind is sensual pleasure . Don't believe the propoganda .

[Zaolsie]

And not only German and not only women...

[American Observer]

Zaolsie wrote:

And not only German and not only women...

Are you speaking from experience as a victim?

[Comer]

Maybe the thoughts of the people in Stalingrad are not so saintly! adios!

[Comer]

Maybe this is the real reason why Germans and Jews have teamed up for once to put demjanjuk behind bars in Germany! He said he was a Red Army Soldier from service in Poland, or is it just rigged by some jews, germans, and leftover of Merkel's and Putin's KGB friends?

[Comer]

By the way, the one about the disease not being prejudiced, well with the Native American People, those diseases were prejudiced, cause the swethole Europe went through the black plague a few hundred years prior! Ain't it nice?

[socker]

Ukrainians raped but tried to blame Russians for it because all Soviets were called Russians in English. Not everybody understand it.

[Observer]

I also think that Ukraine must apologise for taking part in invading Prague in 1968 - those Soviet regiments which took part in invasion were originally stationed in Ukraine - actually only those regiments which were stationed in Ukraine took part in invasion - ethnically those were to considerable extend Ukrainian Soviets -soldjers, officers and even generals.

[Amicus]

Observer wrote:

I also think that Ukraine must apologise for taking part in invading Prague in 1968 - those Soviet regiments which took part in invasion were originally stationed in Ukraine - actually only those regiments which were stationed in Ukraine took part in invasion - ethnically those were to considerable extend Ukrainian Soviets -soldjers, officers and even generals.

The history books say that Polish Count Potocki was jewish and was burned at the stake in the 1700s . Is that known in Poland ?. Wikipedia says it also ? Jewish gen.com says he was jewish too . Did you know that?

[Lilia]

Amicus wrote:

<quoted text>The history books say that Polish Count Potocki was jewish and was burned at the stake in the 1700s . Is that known in Poland ?. Wikipedia says it also ? Jewish gen.com says he was jewish too . Did you know that?

Hmm. wikipedia:
Abraham ben Abraham, also known as Count Valentine (Valentin, Walentyn) Potocki (Pototzki or Pototski), is a legendary figure who is claimed to have been a Polish nobleman of the Potocki family who converted to Judaism and was burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church because he had renounced Catholicism and had become an observant Jew. According to Jewish traditions he is regarded as someone known even to the revered Jewish Talmudic sage, the Vilna Gaon (Rabbi Elijah (Eliyahu) Ben Shlomo Zalman (1720-1797)). However historians who have studied his story have stated that surprisingly little evidence of Potocki's existence has yet been discovered other than several 19th century sources citing earlier oral histories, and therefore consider that he most likely did not exist.

[Amicus]

Lilia wrote:

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Hmm. wikipedia:
Abraham ben Abraham, also known as Count Valentine (Valentin, Walentyn) Potocki (Pototzki or Pototski), is a legendary figure who is claimed to have been a Polish nobleman of the Potocki family who converted to Judaism and was burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church because he had renounced Catholicism and had become an observant Jew. According to Jewish traditions he is regarded as someone known even to the revered Jewish Talmudic sage, the Vilna Gaon (Rabbi Elijah (Eliyahu) Ben Shlomo Zalman (1720-1797)). However historians who have studied his story have stated that surprisingly little evidence of Potocki's existence has yet been discovered other than several 19th century sources citing earlier oral histories, and therefore consider that he most likely did not exist.

Thanks for that. Poles here say he was a rich jew . Some even brag they are related to him ! As I said most Polish Counts were jews and bought their titles with zloty .

[Lilia]

Amicus wrote:

<quoted text>Thanks for that. Poles here say he was a rich jew . Some even brag they are related to him ! As I said most Polish Counts were jews and bought their titles with zloty .

You are so wrong. Find me just a one such Polish Count. Here is info about Potocki family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potocki_family
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/PotockiTr...

[Amicus]

Lilia wrote:

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You are so wrong. Find me just a one such Polish Count. Here is info about Potocki family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potocki_family
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/PotockiTr...

You gave me the answer . I believe the jewish count Potocki existed. You are very stubborn.The Polish nobility were original Po Teutonic knights in poland that married rich mercantile german jews in poland in the 1600s and bought their titles . Otherwise all the potatoe farmers in poland would be counts as they are pure polish !

[Lilia]

Even if he existed he was just one person from Polish Potocki family who converted to Judaism and not an ethnic Jew. Polish szlachta derives from Slavic tribal warriors. Teutonic knights were Polish staunch enemies and had little to do with formation of Polish noble class. What you write makes no sense whatsoever. Adios.

[Amicus]

Lilia wrote:

Even if he existed he was just one person from Polish Potocki family who converted to Judaism and not an ethnic Jew. Polish szlachta derives from Slavic tribal warriors. Teutonic knights were Polish staunch enemies and had little to do with formation of Polish noble class. What you write makes no sense whatsoever. Adios.

It makes no sense to you because your mind is closed in your ' Perfect Polish bubble world view'. Just keep in mind that your 'Perfect little Polski world' is also composed historically of Jews , Germans, Ukrainians, Mongols , Tatars , Khazars, Gypsies ,Russians, Belorusians, Ruthenians etc, etc. and the blood of all those people also runs through polish veins too. If I have made you think that is good. You are too rigid and inflexible in your thinking , but that is unfortunately a Polish trait! Dopobachenya.!

[Lilia]

Amicus wrote:

<quoted text>It makes no sense to you because your mind is closed in your ' Perfect Polish bubble world view'. Just keep in mind that your 'Perfect little Polski world' is also composed historically of Jews , Germans, Ukrainians, Mongols , Tatars , Khazars, Gypsies ,Russians, Belorusians, Ruthenians etc, etc. and the blood of all those people also runs through polish veins too. If I have made you think that is good. You are too rigid and inflexible in your thinking , but that is unfortunately a Polish trait! Dopobachenya.!

What you wrote above is a proof of your own inflexible thinking. Listen, I never denied that people of different ethnicities mixed with each other. Some of your claims are simply ridiculous and not historically grounded. If you want to prove that there was no ethnic Polish nobility (btw do you think that Polish peasants didn't mingled with Ukrainians and Germans - they did it and on a much larger scale than in the case of nobles), in the same way, there were no ethnic Ukrainians, Germans, Jews etc. So what is your point? Your Wisnowiecki also doesn't have pure Ukrainian blood, but you claim him as Ukrainian. You are confused.

[Amicus]

Lilia wrote:

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What you wrote above is a proof of your own inflexible thinking. Listen, I never denied that people of different ethnicities mixed with each other. Some of your claims are simply ridiculous and not historically grounded. If you want to prove that there was no ethnic Polish nobility (btw do you think that Polish peasants didn't mingled with Ukrainians and Germans - they did it and on a much larger scale than in the case of nobles), in the same way, there were no ethnic Ukrainians, Germans, Jews etc. So what is your point? Your Wisnowiecki also doesn't have pure Ukrainian blood, but you claim him as Ukrainian. You are confused.

My point is this. There are generally two types of Poles. Type 1. Peasant-Agricultural, which are mostly ethnically pure polish. Type 2. The elite, which are about 10% and run every thing and are very ehnically mixed over the centuries with Polish but also much Ukr, German and Jewish blood. Look at your leaders in government for god sakes. I have never seen such a mixed bag of people in the RADA,, phenotypically and ethnically German , Jewish and Ukrainian looking people that are all Polish now ! Tusk - German, Gieremek - Jewish, Paderewski - Polish - Lithuanian(,Sikorsky - Ukrainian, Miller - Jewish, Pope Paul 2( Wojtila ) Polish and Ukr.( mother's side ) Are you blind ? Yeah , they are all 100% pure Polish - NOT ! Is that so hard to understand ? IT is the same in all countries including Ukraine and Russia . Grow up !

[Amicus]

Lilia wrote:

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What you wrote above is a proof of your own inflexible thinking. Listen, I never denied that people of different ethnicities mixed with each other. Some of your claims are simply ridiculous and not historically grounded. If you want to prove that there was no ethnic Polish nobility (btw do you think that Polish peasants didn't mingled with Ukrainians and Germans - they did it and on a much larger scale than in the case of nobles), in the same way, there were no ethnic Ukrainians, Germans, Jews etc. So what is your point? Your Wisnowiecki also doesn't have pure Ukrainian blood, but you claim him as Ukrainian. You are confused.

I personally saw your Pope Karol Wojtyla do a service at The Ukr. Cathedral of Vladimir and Olga in 1981 in Winnipeg, Canada and he spoke the whole service and after, in perfect western ukrainian that he said he learned from his mother and her family that where Ukrainians from Lwow area. Ukrainian is a subtle language and you cannot learn it later . You have to learn it as a mother tongue to speak it as a Ukrainian person does.. Pope Paul spoke as a Ukrainian and all ukrainians know his mother's side is UKR ( but politically described as lithuanian in the history books ). He did not look Lithuanian , but Very Ukrainian. As a matter of fact, Gorbachev in his memoirs said that he spoke to the Pope in Ukrainian when he met him and that the pope spoke excellent Ukrainian. Gorby is of Ukr. Kuban origin. on his mother's side and also speaks Ukrainian. Gorbachev also is listed as a Russian of Ukrainian origin if you google it. There you go . See how it works now . Ms Perfect Polish Princess !

[American Observer]

It is very hard, as an American, to understand all this fussing and fuming about pure or impure genetics. In America we have what is often referred to as the "Melting Pot". That is immigrants from many countries intermarried and produced a marvelous and vital genetic diversity.
I think that all this fuss and feathers about "pure" vs "impure" is just trying to bolster your ego by past events instead of by trying to be a productive citizen and not worrying about unimportant past events.
Why must Europeans get bogged down in "postage stamp" mentality? That is to say, each little geographic area is so busy promoting themselves and hating every other little area. How silly.