Armenians have killed 2 million Ottoman Turks

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Armenians have killed 2 million Ottoman Turks, the Turkish newspaper Birlik quoted Bruce Fein, former legal affairs advisor to the former US president Ronald Reagan, as saying.

Regarding the genocide claims of the Armenians, Bruce Fein said the White House studied the issue in 1981 - during Reagan Administration, and the claims were found out as groundless. The Ottoman Empire paid special attention to the minorities, Fein said. The truth cannot be forgotten. Minorities had religious freedom and every vital provision. During the WWI the Armenian terror organizations in associate with French and Russian militants have murdered over 2 million Ottoman citizens, while loss of the Armenians made up about 500 000, and it is a proved historical fact.
At his words, the American Armenians obtain colossal profit from their false genocide claims. Armenians are against opening of archives as they dont want to lose the obtained money. The truth will come to light as the archives are open, he underlined.

Armenia has accused Turkey of genocide against Armenians in the latter years of the Ottoman Empire, which preceded modern Turkey. The Turkish government says the developments were part of clashes that related to Armenian groups supporting Russia against Turkey during World War I. Ankara insists the killings were not orchestrated by the Ottoman government and Turkish President Abdullah Gul has proposed opening Ottoman archives to international scholars to try to resolve the dispute.*

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To paraphrase Mark Twain, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and the number of Armenians who are claimed by Armenians and their echo chambers to have died in an alleged World War I genocide. Almost a century later, the number of deaths they assert oscillates between 1.5-2 million. But the best contemporary estimates by Armenians or their sympathizers were 300,000-750,000 (compared with 2.4 million Ottoman Muslim deaths in Anatolia). Further, not a single one of those deaths necessarily falls within the definition of genocide in the authoritative Genocide Convention of 1948. It requires proof that the accused was responsible for the physical destruction of a group in whole or in substantial part specifically because of their race, nationality, religion, or ethnicity. A political or military motivation for a death falls outside the definition.

Immediately after the war, when events and memories were fresh, Armenians had no incentive to concoct high casualty figures or genocidal motivations for their deaths. Their objective was statehood. Armenians were encouraged by the self-determination concept in President Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points,(while conveniently forgetting that they were a minority in Eastern Anatolia where they hoped to found a new nation). Armenian leaders pointed to their military contribution to defeating the Ottomans and population figures that would sustain an Armenian nation.

Boghus Nubar, then Head of the Armenian Delegation to the Paris Peace Conference (1919), wrote to the French Foreign Minister Stephen Pichon: "The Armenians have been, since the beginning of the war, de facto belligerents, as you yourself have acknowledged, since they have fought alongside the Allies on all fronts, enduring heavy sacrifices and great suffering for the sake of their unshakable attachment to the cause of the Entente...." Nubar had earlier written to the Foreign Minister on October 29, 1918, that Armenians had earned their independence: "We have fought for it. We have poured out our blood for it without stint. Our people played a gallant part in the armies that won the victory."

When their quest for statehood shipwrecked on the Treaty of Lausanne and annexation by the Soviet Union in 1921, Armenians revised their soundtrack to endorse a contrived genocide thesis. It seeks a "pound of flesh" from the Republic of Turkey in the form of recognition, reparations, and boundary changes. To make their case more convincing, Armenians hiked the number of deaths. They also altered their story line from having died as belligerents against the Turks to having perished like unarmed helpless lambs.
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Vahan Vardapet, an Armenian cleric, estimated a prewar Ottoman Armenian population of 1.26 million. At the Peace Conference, Armenian leader Nubar stated that 280,000 remained in the Empire and 700,000 had emigrated elsewhere. Accepting those Armenian figures, the number of dead would be 280,000. George Montgomery of the Armenia-American Society estimated a prewar Armenian population of 1.4-1.6 million, and a casualty figure of 500,000 or less. Armenian Van Cardashian, in testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1919, placed the number of Armenian dead at 750,000, i.e., a prewar population of 1.5 million and a post-war figure of 750,000.

After statehood was lost, Armenians turned to their genocide playbook which exploited Christian bigotries and contempt for Ottoman Muslims. They remembered earlier successful anti-Ottoman propaganda. United States Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire during the war, Henry Morganthau, was openly racist and devoted to propaganda. On November 26, 1917, Morgenthau confessed in a letter to President Wilson that he intended to write a book vilifying Turks and Germans to, "win a victory for the war policy of the government." In his biography, "Ambassador Morgenthau's Story," Morgenthau betrays his racist hatred toward Turks ("humanity and civilization never for a moment enters their mind") and unconditional admiration for Armenians ("They are so superior to the Turks intellectually and morally.").

British Prime Minister Gladstone's histrionic figure of 60,000 Bulgarian Christians slaughtered in 1876 captured the imagination of the west. The true figure later provided by a British Ambassador was 3,500--including Turks who were first slain by the Christians.

From 280,000-750,000, Armenians initially raised their death count to 800,000 to test the credibility waters. It passed muster with uninformed politicians easily influenced by campaign contributions and voting clout. Armenians then jumped the number to 1.5 million, and then 1.8 million by Armenian historian Kevork Aslan. For the last decades, an Armenian majority seems to have settled on the 1.5 million death plateau--which still exceeds their contemporary estimates by 200 to 500 percent. They are now testing the waters at 2.5-3 million killed as their chances for a congressional genocide resolution recede. It speaks volumes that champions of the inflated death figures have no explanation for why Armenians on the scene would have erred. Think of the absurdity of discarding the current death count of Afghan civilians in the United States-Afghan war in favor of a number deduced in the year 2109!

Armenians have a genuine tale of woe. It largely overlaps with the tale of tragedy and suffering that can be told by Ottoman Muslims during the war years: 2.4 million deaths in Anatolia, ethnic cleansing, starvation, malnutrition, untreated epidemics, and traumatic privations of war under a decrepit and collapsing Empire.

Unskewed historical truth is the antechamber of Turkish-Armenian reconciliation. That is why the Government of Turkey has proposed an international commission of impartial and independent experts with access to all relevant archives to determine the number and characterization of World War I deaths. Armenians are balking because they are skeptical of their own figures and accusations.
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Whatever the turk claims, surviving Armenians are entitled to their lands which were criminally confiscated.
This is the first thing turks are expected to correct.
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Armenian meeting,

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Once the Armenians return to their homland they will mourn properly together with their neighbours for ALL those who were unnecessarily tormented just because some criminal Young turks had a dream, a fantasy that brought nothing but misery.
Hiding behind graves and bones will not bring dignity to a mentality of denialism.
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Dander wrote:
Once the Armenians return to their homland they will mourn properly together with their neighbours for ALL those who were unnecessarily tormented just because some criminal Young turks had a dream, a fantasy that brought nothing but misery.
Hiding behind graves and bones will not bring dignity to a mentality of denialism.
Then, see you 10.000.000 years later in Mars!
In your homelands!! hahahaha
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armenians want the truks to admit to incidents that directly affected both nationalities.

Armenians dont realise that all there politicle campaining will not affect a thing with the turks .

it's perculier how the actualities with the numbers are refuted by the turks !!the armenians cliam a figure it "seem's" from thin air

You haven't won the debate until you have refuted your opponent's strongest arguments

makedonia is not greek

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Two million worthless , meaningless turks , leaving 50 million Turks for us Kurds to kill, no fair
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The Lake Van region must be returned to sacred Armenia. Turks will continue to be punished by God until this is done.
God is on our side...Because God hates liers&Armenian copy cats
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SHIRO wrote:
Two million worthless , meaningless turks , leaving 50 million Turks for us Kurds to kill, no fair
F*ck off Armenian baztard! Go to your cave back!!
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SHIRO wrote:
Two million worthless , meaningless turks , leaving 50 million Turks for us Kurds to kill, no fair
armenians are the terrorists of today as they once were in the early ninteen hundreds ,and recently with ASALA which altered there terrorist activities to politicle activism by terorisng and making death threats to those opposed to the lies armenians have grossly inflated and truths they have twisted to there advantage

come on armenians we all know how guilty you are .

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armenians are the terrorists of today as they once were in the early ninteen hundreds ,and recently with ASALA which altered there terrorist activities to politicle activism by terorisng and making death threats to those opposed to the lies armenians have grossly inflated and truths they have twisted to there advantage
come on armenians we all know how guilty you are .
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I like 19 century Disneyland pictures.
We will include Macdonian in our mass excution programs.
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SHIRO wrote:
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I like 19 century Disneyland pictures.
We will include Macdonian in our mass excution programs.
F*ck off you Armenian baztard.Go back to your cave!!
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Turkish Warrior wrote:
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God is on our side...Because God hates liers&Armenian copy cats
Last time I heard, God was asking you where the mass graves for 55000 Dersim Alewis you masaccred in 1936 were.
He is still waiting a reply.
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Hey scum. No evidence for this allegation. BUT Armenian Genocide is a historic fact recognized by many nations in the world.

Macedonia is ONE, FREE AND GREEK!!!
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Dander wrote:
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Last time I heard, God was asking you where the mass graves for 55000 Dersim Alewis you masaccred in 1936 were.
He is still waiting a reply.
listen up greek

what about the 50,000 Muslims , including women and
children, lived in the Peloponnese in March 1821. A month later, when
the Greeks were celebrating Easter, there was hardly anyone left

what about the muslim turks They disappeared suddenly and
finally in the spring of 1821, unmourned and unnoticed by the rest of
the world&#133;Upwards of 20,000 Turkish men, women and children were
murdered by their Greek neighbours in a few weeks of slaughter. They
were killed deliberately,

what of the Massacres of Monemvasia and Navarino Between 2,000 and 3,000 Muslim
residents were cruelly massacred

Tripolitsa Massacre
35,000 Turks, Albanians, Jews and
others, the rebels committed a massacre on 5 October 1821. It lasted
for three days

what of Acrocorinth Massacre and Massacres of Athens and Acropolis
the Nauplia Massacre's

The orgy of genocide in the Peloponnese ended only when there were no
more Turks to kill. The philhellene volunteers who went to help the
Greeks and began to return to their homelands in 1822 and 1823, could
not save themselves from the nightmares of those terrible days. They
were expecting many good things from the Greeks, but instead they were
flabbergasted. They began to hate the Greeks for deceiving them.
8,24,28,29 Despite pressure from Greek societiesin Europe, they began
to put pen to paper about their own experiences. The following
sentiment is typical of what they wrote
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am writing this so that others will not make the same mistakes that
I have made. Modern Greece is not like old Greece. The Greeks are a
wicked and barbaric race who have no gratitude.

The returning Western volunteers who witnessed the bloody events in
the Peloponnese became the antodote for this hellenophile and Greek propaganda. Several French officers who returned from Greece to
Marseilles in April 1822 described the Greeks as, "Vile, cowardly and ungrateful". A Prussian officer who had witnessed the Corinth massacres appealed to new volunteers on the point of departue:

"There [in Greece] you will find only misery, death and ingratitude.
Don't believe what they tell you in Germany or Switzerland; believe
what an old soldier is saying"

makedonians always lived in the shadow of you filthy barbaric deadly beasts

you grek kants are drenched in guilty blood of your own murduring and blood hursty vile actions ,greeks are the most monstrous tyranicle and calculating nation of all an embarrissing shamful race to belong to .

how dare you bastard race claim alexander as your own you thieves have always been slaves and 3 doller bill crooks .

the roman empire died as aresult of greek tyranicle and backstabbing mentality.
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Geo wrote:
Hey scum. No evidence for this allegation. BUT Armenian Genocide is a historic fact recognized by many nations in the world.
Macedonia is ONE, FREE AND GREEK!!!
politicle recognition doesnt mean factual existance or the truth neither does politicle exceptance .

greek bastart get life help your tyrant culture pay back some of the 385billion there in debt

and stop scavenging and begging off the EU
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Turkish rats cannot have a country. They are nomads, trying to steal others' properties, and destroy every culture.

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