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Plucky Little Turkey Standing Up to Evil Syria? It's Not as Simple as That

There are 47 comments on the Common Dreams story from Oct 8, 2012, titled Plucky Little Turkey Standing Up to Evil Syria? It's Not as Simple as That. In it, Common Dreams reports that:

How the government howled. With the help of a neighbouring state, "terrorists" were trying to destroy the government and its army, blowing up and murdering its supporters.

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dmaak112

Wilkes Barre, PA

#1 Oct 8, 2012
Now the usual caveat – which will be forgotten by those who wish to accuse the writer of being a member of the Syrian intelligence service: Bashar al-Assad is a despot, his regime is awful, its policemen torture on a scale that would stun the RUC thugs who beat up their Catholic prisoners in Castlereagh, and Syrian militias fill mass graves; there were no mass graves in Northern Ireland.

BUT. When it comes to international law, to moral compromise, to sheer hypocrisy, the Western powers take the biscuit. La Clinton raves on about Syrian depravity when Syrian shells slaughter a Turkish woman and her four children – which they did – but gives succour to the gunmen who torture and kill and suicide-bomb the regime's supporters inside Syria. Clinton's predecessors at the State Department took a quite different view about Northern Ireland. William Hague rabbits on about our "non-lethal" aid to Syrian rebels; but didn't the Irish authorities give "non-lethal aid" (bandages, funds, intelligence information) to our political and military enemies in Northern Ireland?

Typically, Al-Jazeera – to which I sometimes contribute my two-pence worth of thought – was the first channel to cover the response of local Turks to the killing of the family in Akçakale: they blamed their own Turkish government for using the village as a jumping off point for rebels entering Syria – and thus turning their town into a target.

And another story that isn't being told. Syrian shells exploding in Turkey are largely landing in the province of Hatay (Akçakale is further east), but what is not being reported is that until 1939, Hatay was part of Syria – and that Syria still claims this coastal province as Syrian territory. The real story – since it involves Europe and Hitler – should be told. For hundreds of years, this territory was Syrian. Alexandretta (now Iskenderun) was the finest port in Syria. But as the power of Nazi Germany grew in the 1930s, the French, who then held the League of Nations mandate for Syria, decided to hand the whole place over to the Turks – in the hope that Turkey would join the Allied side against Hitler.

A fraudulent referendum was held and the mass of Arabs in the province – tens of thousands of them Alawites, who form the backbone of Assad's regime today – fled south, along with an almost equal number of Armenians who had survived the 1915 Turkish genocide. Today, the children and grandchildren of those Armenians tacitly support the Assad regime. Turkey, of course, chose to stay neutral until the very end of the Second World War. Visiting Turkish generals were thus hosted on the Eastern Front by the Nazi Wehrmacht and toured the West Wall before the D-Day invasion as guests of Marshal Erwin Rommel. They were treated with trust and respect, they reported back to Ankara.

Don't expect to hear any of this today. Hatay is Turkish, Hitler is dead. The Newry fortress is long abandoned. The IRA – up to a point – won. Funny thing, history. Here today. Gone tomorrow.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#2 Oct 8, 2012
The puppet government of turkey is allowing terrorist to live in turkey and be trained in turkey.The people of turkey should remove their puppet leader and take back their country from american and israel.

Since: Sep 12

Dubai, UAE

#3 Oct 8, 2012
The dumd forgets couple of points, Syria itself was a part of Turkey for hundreds of years...

He also forgets that there should be a "state" called Syria in the history until WW1, to claim Hatay to be a Syrian city in the first place...

His selective memory also misses a fact that Hatay was a disputed territory between Turkey and France when Syria was a French mandate before Syrian state was established, and therefore it was given a special administrative status and "Republic of Hatay" was established...

He of course suffers from another memory problem that drives him to forget that Turkey did not annex Hatay but "people of Hatay" chosen to be a part of Turkey...

However, it is evident that the author of the above suffers from a "selective amnesia"...

Just a brief information to the ones interested in "Republic of Hatay"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatay_State

Since: Sep 12

Dubai, UAE

#4 Oct 8, 2012
* The dumb

Since: Sep 12

Dubai, UAE

#5 Oct 8, 2012
truth always beats lies wrote:
The puppet government of turkey is allowing terrorist to live in turkey and be trained in turkey.The people of turkey should remove their puppet leader and take back their country from american and israel.
Do you want to remove him so much? Easy... Apply for Turkish citizenship, if you are awarded, you attend the next elections and run an opposition campaign against him... if you win, he will be definatelly removed in no time... But unless you do this, you are doomed to continue whining like a wet puppy...
Chris

Toronto, Canada

#6 Oct 8, 2012
BOZ-OK wrote:
He of course suffers from another memory problem that drives him to forget that Turkey did not annex Hatay but "people of Hatay" chosen to be a part of Turkey...

However, it is evident that the author of the above suffers from a "selective amnesia"...
He explained that fraudulent referendum was held, which in such situations is usually the rule. You obviously suffer from "selective attention".

Since: Sep 12

Dubai, UAE

#7 Oct 8, 2012
Chris wrote:
<quoted text>
He explained that fraudulent referendum was held, which in such situations is usually the rule. You obviously suffer from "selective attention".
It would be fine, if the reality was not hidden inside too many fabrications and many other realities was not selectively forgotten, this is one of the well known method of the "grey propaganda"... He of course misses the most important point, there should be a Syrian state in the human history to claim a city to be Syrian in the first place... Syria was a Turkish territory since 11th century...

The below is the history of Syria, please enlighten us with your amazing knowledge that there was a state called "Syria" since ancient times...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Syria

On the other hand, history says that;

"Syria's history is replete with civilizations, cities, and kingdoms, including Mari, Ugarit, Ramitha, Bara, Dura-Europos, Karak beaza, Qatora, Ain Dara, Basofan, Arwad, Shahba, Qanwat, Salkhad, Apamea, Hamoukar, Emar, and many others. Syria was dominated by many peoples in its history, including the Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Canaanites, Arameans, Hattians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Nabataeans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, Ottomans, and French."

Any way, Hatay, which is a Turkish province since 11th century, is now a part of the Republic of Turkey... If you wish Hatay so much, a valid passport and a flight ticket would do well...
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#8 Oct 8, 2012
BOZ-OK wrote:
The dumd forgets couple of points, Syria itself was a part of Turkey for hundreds of years...
He also forgets that there should be a "state" called Syria in the history until WW1, to claim Hatay to be a Syrian city in the first place...
His selective memory also misses a fact that Hatay was a disputed territory between Turkey and France when Syria was a French mandate before Syrian state was established, and therefore it was given a special administrative status and "Republic of Hatay" was established...
He of course suffers from another memory problem that drives him to forget that Turkey did not annex Hatay but "people of Hatay" chosen to be a part of Turkey...
However, it is evident that the author of the above suffers from a "selective amnesia"...
Just a brief information to the ones interested in "Republic of Hatay"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatay_State
Save your jewish propaganda for someone else hasbarat.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#9 Oct 8, 2012
BOZ-OK wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you want to remove him so much? Easy... Apply for Turkish citizenship, if you are awarded, you attend the next elections and run an opposition campaign against him... if you win, he will be definatelly removed in no time... But unless you do this, you are doomed to continue whining like a wet puppy...
The terrorist supporting jewish/american puppet dictator of turkey can and I think will be removed by the citizens of turkey.Then they can retake their country from the grip of the american government and israel.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#10 Oct 8, 2012
BOZ-OK wrote:
<quoted text>
It would be fine, if the reality was not hidden inside too many fabrications and many other realities was not selectively forgotten, this is one of the well known method of the "grey propaganda"... He of course misses the most important point, there should be a Syrian state in the human history to claim a city to be Syrian in the first place... Syria was a Turkish territory since 11th century...
The below is the history of Syria, please enlighten us with your amazing knowledge that there was a state called "Syria" since ancient times...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Syria
On the other hand, history says that;
"Syria's history is replete with civilizations, cities, and kingdoms, including Mari, Ugarit, Ramitha, Bara, Dura-Europos, Karak beaza, Qatora, Ain Dara, Basofan, Arwad, Shahba, Qanwat, Salkhad, Apamea, Hamoukar, Emar, and many others. Syria was dominated by many peoples in its history, including the Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Canaanites, Arameans, Hattians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Nabataeans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, Ottomans, and French."
Any way, Hatay, which is a Turkish province since 11th century, is now a part of the Republic of Turkey... If you wish Hatay so much, a valid passport and a flight ticket would do well...
More BS

Since: Sep 12

Dubai, UAE

#11 Oct 8, 2012
truth always beats lies wrote:
<quoted text>Save your jewish propaganda for someone else hasbarat.
I am just curious, do you also wear that big, red clownish nose in your ordinary life or do you wear it only when you are before computer screen?

Since: Sep 12

Dubai, UAE

#12 Oct 8, 2012
truth always beats lies wrote:
<quoted text>More BS
Unlike your gibberish, that is called "history", hopeless dumb...

Since: Sep 12

Dubai, UAE

#13 Oct 8, 2012
truth always beats lies wrote:
<quoted text>The terrorist supporting jewish/american puppet dictator of turkey can and I think will be removed by the citizens of turkey.Then they can retake their country from the grip of the american government and israel.
Thanks for your kind advise, we will take your wish on board in next elections...
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#14 Oct 8, 2012
BOZ-OK wrote:
<quoted text>
I am just curious, do you also wear that big, red clownish nose in your ordinary life or do you wear it only when you are before computer screen?
I am not a jew.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#15 Oct 8, 2012
BOZ-OK wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike your gibberish, that is called "history", hopeless dumb...
No its called BS now go hide behind another name.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#16 Oct 8, 2012
BOZ-OK wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your kind advise, we will take your wish on board in next elections...
Refer to comment #9 Things are not going as you have planned are they jews???

Since: Sep 12

Dubai, UAE

#17 Oct 8, 2012
truth always beats lies wrote:
<quoted text>I am not a jew.
I know... You can call jews every thing but definatelly not "dumb"...
Avenger

Waterloo, Canada

#18 Oct 8, 2012
BOZ-OK wrote:
<quoted text>
I am just curious, do you also wear that big, red clownish nose in your ordinary life or do you wear it only when you are before computer screen?
He is just a very crazy man period.
truth always beats lies

Covington, VA

#19 Oct 8, 2012
BOZ-OK wrote:
<quoted text>
I know... You can call jews every thing but definatelly not "dumb"...
jew stop trying to change your writing style to hide as it is not working parasite.

Since: Sep 12

Dubai, UAE

#20 Oct 8, 2012
truth always beats lies wrote:
<quoted text>Refer to comment #9 Things are not going as you have planned are they jews???
truth always beats lies wrote:
<quoted text>No its called BS now go hide behind another name.
Just curious, is it your obsessive habbit to call every thing and every body confronting you Jews?

This habbit makes you trully a clown though... ;)

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