Why Turkey is quiet on Ukraine and Ru...

Why Turkey is quiet on Ukraine and Russia, despite 'great potential' to lead

There are 18 comments on the CBC News story from May 1, 2014, titled Why Turkey is quiet on Ukraine and Russia, despite 'great potential' to lead. In it, CBC News reports that:

Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan addresses members of parliament from his ruling AK Party during a meeting at the Turkish parliament in Ankara on Tuesday.

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sam

Mckinney, TX

#1 May 1, 2014
Turkey is already playing indirect role against Russia by helping terrorist organization to topple the government of Syria (Russia"s allies) and directly involved in military operations. Turkey is stuck between the rock and hard place when it comes to Ukraine. it relies on energy source from Russia and Iran. if Turkey would follow the NATO in proposing sanction on Russia that in itself be a big blow to its economy, which already having problems after years of prosperity.
Mari

Orange, CA

#3 May 1, 2014
I didn't realize the US was a terrorist organization.
sam wrote:
Turkey is already playing indirect role against Russia by helping terrorist organization to topple the government of Syria (Russia"s allies) and directly involved in military operations. Turkey is stuck between the rock and hard place when it comes to Ukraine. it relies on energy source from Russia and Iran. if Turkey would follow the NATO in proposing sanction on Russia that in itself be a big blow to its economy, which already having problems after years of prosperity.
hector

Mount Prospect, IL

#4 May 1, 2014
Mr Erdogan is too busy his and his government's corruption and don't have energy too say anything about this issue. Probably Putin has some corruption files about his government too. Don't expect any leading role from Turkey, until Erdogan government is judged by a court.
leyla

Waynesboro, VA

#5 May 1, 2014
First of all, the corruption that you supposedly are referring to are created by the countries who are not happy with the economic growth and wealth that it has accomplished in the last 11 years.... and you're point of view is completely skewed..... do some research and you will find that he has increased the economic wealth of Turkey, paid off all debt to IMF and others, building 3rd bridge in Istanbul, building 2nd international airport.... why are the EU countries and USA disgruntled, because we don't need them anymore.... they are creating lies of corruption to meet their own needs, we are a secular society and have a strong Muslim heritage but we are more modern than any other Muslim country in the world.... why don't you visit, maybe you will be enlightened....his government doesn't need to be judged, he has millions of supporters all over the world who keep voting for him, and you know why, because he's actually doing some good in a world full of bad Muslim reputation and corruption.... he has done more for "Turkiye:(correct spelling) than any other president in it's history......

Since: Feb 09

Stamford, CT

#6 May 1, 2014
Isn't Turkey still illegally occupying northern Cyprus? And funneling weapons and aid to the militants trying to overthrow Assad in Syria? What sort of moral leadership authority could it possibly possess here?
Not-brainwashed

New York, NY

#7 May 1, 2014
Leyla is hilarious. Unfortunately, there is a whole country of clueless believers like Leyla who truly believe in Erdogan's propaganda and regurgitate the government BS without ever fact-checking. Alas, that is the definition of a true believer: don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Erdogan and his cronies are as corrupt as any 3rd world country politicians, following the footsteps of prior Turkish prime ministers and presidents. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last. The difference between him and his predecessors is that he effectively controls all branches of the government: executive, legislature and judiciary. He also has the military (which used to be the guardian of a secular democratic Turkey) subdued having jailed the majority of the top echelon of the military under some drummed up charges of conspiracy. Under Erdogan's rule, the media has also fallen in line. Turkey boasts more journalist in jail per capita than China... Now, that is a stat to be proud of. The remaining TV and print media who dares to criticise Erdogan or his government are levied with tax evasion charges, the other business interests of their owners are blacklisted from government contracts bad the journalists or the editors-in-chief are fired. That is democracy under Erdogan.

And if you are a chief of police who raids a government minister's son's home under a lawful order from the District Attorney or if you are that DA who had the guts to order such a raid, even if the raids are successful, ie. millions of undeclared cash in euros and dollars are found hidden in shoeboxes, then the next day (literally) you are removed from your post and assigned to Turkish equivalent of Siberia. That is Erdogan's Turkey.

And when recordings of Erdogan surface where he tells his son repeatedly to get rid of the cash they have, he denies it as a CIA or other foreign conspiracy and the Leyla's of the world believe it. When Erdogan's cronies falsify a document from a forensic lab claiming the recoding was manufactured, and the lab's CEO publicly declares they never reviewed the tape and this is not their document, the Leyla's of Turkey burry their head in sand and ignore the evidence. Such is the nature of a believer.

Turkey has more debt today than ever. All the money having gone to these wonderful grand scale modernization projects. So that he can show off his "achievements". How we'll pay for it is another story.

Finally, for all his rhetoric, Erdogan is a paper tiger. If you ask the Leyla's of Turkey, Erdogan is a great leader who stood toe-to-toe with the US president, denying access to its bases during the Iraq war; one who voted "no" to sanctions to Iran. In reality, he did not dare a finger when Turkey's "brother nation" Azerbaijan got invaded. After all the talk about taking down Assad, he never mobilized any force and chose to remain in the background allowing the jihadists to camp in a Turkey. So, don't expect Erdogan to lift a finger about Ukraine. Then again, to a believer like Leyla, Erdogan is leading the charge among the world leaders with Turkey in its rightful historic, group-political seat at the world power table.
bob

Santa Rosa, CA

#8 May 1, 2014
It's about the Kurds and a new Kurdistan... end of story. Just like China is quiet because of Tibet , Turkey is quiet because of Kurdistan. What about a referendum in Chechnya? Wonder how that would go?
Trizilla the scum

Antalya, Turkey

#9 May 1, 2014
Not-brainwashed wrote:
Leyla is hilarious. Unfortunately, there is a whole country of clueless believers like Leyla who truly believe in Erdogan's propaganda and regurgitate the government BS without ever fact-checking. Alas, that is the definition of a true believer: don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Erdogan and his cronies are as corrupt as any 3rd world country politicians, following the footsteps of prior Turkish prime ministers and presidents. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last. The difference between him and his predecessors is that he effectively controls all branches of the government: executive, legislature and judiciary. He also has the military (which used to be the guardian of a secular democratic Turkey) subdued having jailed the majority of the top echelon of the military under some drummed up charges of conspiracy. Under Erdogan's rule, the media has also fallen in line. Turkey boasts more journalist in jail per capita than China... Now, that is a stat to be proud of. The remaining TV and print media who dares to criticise Erdogan or his government are levied with tax evasion charges, the other business interests of their owners are blacklisted from government contracts bad the journalists or the editors-in-chief are fired. That is democracy under Erdogan.
And if you are a chief of police who raids a government minister's son's home under a lawful order from the District Attorney or if you are that DA who had the guts to order such a raid, even if the raids are successful, ie. millions of undeclared cash in euros and dollars are found hidden in shoeboxes, then the next day (literally) you are removed from your post and assigned to Turkish equivalent of Siberia. That is Erdogan's Turkey.
And when recordings of Erdogan surface where he tells his son repeatedly to get rid of the cash they have, he denies it as a CIA or other foreign conspiracy and the Leyla's of the world believe it. When Erdogan's cronies falsify a document from a forensic lab claiming the recoding was manufactured, and the lab's CEO publicly declares they never reviewed the tape and this is not their document, the Leyla's of Turkey burry their head in sand and ignore the evidence. Such is the nature of a believer.
Turkey has more debt today than ever. All the money having gone to these wonderful grand scale modernization projects. So that he can show off his "achievements". How we'll pay for it is another story.
Finally, for all his rhetoric, Erdogan is a paper tiger. If you ask the Leyla's of Turkey, Erdogan is a great leader who stood toe-to-toe with the US president, denying access to its bases during the Iraq war; one who voted "no" to sanctions to Iran. In reality, he did not dare a finger when Turkey's "brother nation" Azerbaijan got invaded. After all the talk about taking down Assad, he never mobilized any force and chose to remain in the background allowing the jihadists to camp in a Turkey. So, don't expect Erdogan to lift a finger about Ukraine. Then again, to a believer like Leyla, Erdogan is leading the charge among the world leaders with Turkey in its rightful historic, group-political seat at the world power table.
You for got to mention the recording where the CEO of Turkish Airlines was guilt tripping over flying weapons to Nigeria's Islamic militants, he was talking to Erdogan telling him how guilty he felt. I guarantee you that all those terrorists in Nigeria have direct links to Turkey. Turkey is under NATO and if Turkey sends arms to Nigeria then Washington is aware.
Whoa

Irvine, CA

#10 May 1, 2014
Turkey only cares of Crimea and Tatar Turks. Why do we care about Ukraine or US interests. US/Brits messes up and then leave. I don't think they care about Ukraine either. They have their fight at somebody else's house. Turkey has to leave there with Russians all the time. Off course they have to be careful.

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#11 May 1, 2014
leyla wrote:
First of all, the corruption that you supposedly are referring to are created by the countries who are not happy with the economic growth and wealth that it has accomplished in the last 11 years.... and you're point of view is completely skewed..... do some research and you will find that he has increased the economic wealth of Turkey, paid off all debt to IMF and others, building 3rd bridge in Istanbul, building 2nd international airport.... why are the EU countries and USA disgruntled, because we don't need them anymore.... they are creating lies of corruption to meet their own needs, we are a secular society and have a strong Muslim heritage but we are more modern than any other Muslim country in the world.... why don't you visit, maybe you will be enlightened....his government doesn't need to be judged, he has millions of supporters all over the world who keep voting for him, and you know why, because he's actually doing some good in a world full of bad Muslim reputation and corruption.... he has done more for "Turkiye:(correct spelling) than any other president in it's history......
Very very true
Steve

Izmir, Turkey

#12 May 2, 2014
You left out in your list of accomplishments, hosing down granny with pepper gas (on an almost daily basis), throwing some 400 journalists and military personnel in jail with no charges having been filed, turning off the Internet when it became a means for the opposition to voice displeasure, calling a 14-year old boy a terrorist simply because he got a pepper gas canister to the back of his head which killed him, backing the had of Halkbank who was caught with millions of euros in boxes in his closet, and firing or removing thousands of judges and police officers when they started to investigate AK Party.

The Turkish economy has grown in the past 11 years, and as leader he can and should take credit for the economic growth. But it's time for this sorry piece of work to go away.
iruleRussia

Houston, TX

#13 May 2, 2014
Look at russian invade Urkrain and blame US. Typical hitler putin
Dennis

Istanbul, Turkey

#14 May 2, 2014
I lived in Turkey 2005/2010 and watched the growth you have noted. A good job was done, but,and is a big but, erdogan has steadily eroded the freedoms and choice of the individual Turk at the same time he has made economic strides. Watching him in his actions par allele the 1930s in Europe and Russia. And also, the debts are not paid off, Turkey still owes ...as for ending the EU and US, if not why has he started EU negotiations again? You suggest doing research, I suggest you do the same, I recommend you start in the 1930s.
leyla wrote:
First of all, the corruption that you supposedly are referring to are created by the countries who are not happy with the economic growth and wealth that it has accomplished in the last 11 years.... and you're point of view is completely skewed..... do some research and you will find that he has increased the economic wealth of Turkey, paid off all debt to IMF and others, building 3rd bridge in Istanbul, building 2nd international airport.... why are the EU countries and USA disgruntled, because we don't need them anymore.... they are creating lies of corruption to meet their own needs, we are a secular society and have a strong Muslim heritage but we are more modern than any other Muslim country in the world.s... why don't you visit, maybe you will be enlightened....his government doesn't need to be judged, he has millions of supporters all over the world who keep voting for him, and you know why, because he's actually doing some good in a world full of bad Muslim reputation and corruption.... he has done more for "Turkiye:(correct spelling) than any other president in it's history......

Since: Dec 11

Izmir, Turkey

#15 May 2, 2014
bob wrote:
It's about the Kurds and a new Kurdistan... end of story. Just like China is quiet because of Tibet , Turkey is quiet because of Kurdistan. What about a referendum in Chechnya? Wonder how that would go?
I am a Kurd.A Kurd (Wolf ) is the symbol animal of Turks and all Kurds are Turks.Kurdish has no Grammar by its own but shares Persian,Turkish and Arab languages' grammars.
Therefore,it is not about Kurds and Kurdistan,just like it was not about the Armenian in ww1.It is about the world's richest oil fields beneath the south east Turkey,which they use to call Armenia in the past and now Kurdistan.
Imperialists want it too bad,and they have their man Erdogan,as one of the co-presidents who serve them to get the oil.That is all.

Since: Dec 11

Izmir, Turkey

#16 May 2, 2014
Dennis wrote:
I lived in Turkey 2005/2010 and watched the growth you have noted. A good job was done, but,and is a big but, erdogan has steadily eroded the freedoms and choice of the individual Turk at the same time he has made economic strides. Watching him in his actions par allele the 1930s in Europe and Russia. And also, the debts are not paid off, Turkey still owes ...as for ending the EU and US, if not why has he started EU negotiations again? You suggest doing research, I suggest you do the same, I recommend you start in the 1930s.<quoted text>
I lived all my life in Turkey,why did I not see the growth?What growth?Apartments,housing are not growth! They are a means of making the public Debtors to the banks,so one day,they can create an economic collapse to stir the country in an atmosphere they can divide Turkey and get the oil.
TRUTHlover

Earlwood, Australia

#19 May 4, 2014
Dennis wrote:
I lived in Turkey 2005/2010 and watched the growth you have noted. A good job was done, but,and is a big but, erdogan has steadily eroded the freedoms and choice of the individual Turk at the same time he has made economic strides. Watching him in his actions par allele the 1930s in Europe and Russia. And also, the debts are not paid off, Turkey still owes ...as for ending the EU and US, if not why has he started EU negotiations again? You suggest doing research, I suggest you do the same, I recommend you start in the 1930s.<quoted text>
Dennis,
To be able to make changes, at first you have to have the financial means and confidence to do so...
Turkey had at first to get out of her economical disaster, which these people achieved. Furthermore, there had to be taken some tough decisions, e.g. showing the Military its place etc... otherwise these accomplishments would never have reached!

Sure, it is never good to have a single party so long time (alone) in power, I certainly agree, as it might starts to strengthens its grip on power more and more... however, if you are not happy with these people, you do not do it through Molotov cocktails and riots... you do it through elections...

There were recently elections... even with all the accusations ... they won again...

If you respect democracy, well, then please respect the wish of the people!

You want a change? Try it again, in few months there is again a new election and after that there will be again one... but without violence ... with your democratic right of using your vote!

Respect the democratic rights of others too!!!!! Especially, if it is the majority!

Cheers,
well

Toronto, Canada

#20 May 4, 2014
sam wrote:
Turkey is already playing indirect role against Russia by helping terrorist organization to topple the government of Syria (Russia"s allies) and directly involved in military operations. Turkey is stuck between the rock and hard place when it comes to Ukraine. it relies on energy source from Russia and Iran. if Turkey would follow the NATO in proposing sanction on Russia that in itself be a big blow to its economy, which already having problems after years of prosperity.
Isn't Russia helping terrorists in Ukraine. How can Russia be against Syrian rebels who are fighting dictator Assad?

Since: Dec 11

Kahramanmaras, Turkey

#21 May 5, 2014
TRUTHlover wrote:
<quoted text>
Dennis,
To be able to make changes, at first you have to have the financial means and confidence to do so...
Turkey had at first to get out of her economical disaster, which these people achieved. Furthermore, there had to be taken some tough decisions, e.g. showing the Military its place etc... otherwise these accomplishments would never have reached!
Sure, it is never good to have a single party so long time (alone) in power, I certainly agree, as it might starts to strengthens its grip on power more and more... however, if you are not happy with these people, you do not do it through Molotov cocktails and riots... you do it through elections...
There were recently elections... even with all the accusations ... they won again...
If you respect democracy, well, then please respect the wish of the people!
You want a change? Try it again, in few months there is again a new election and after that there will be again one... but without violence ... with your democratic right of using your vote!
Respect the democratic rights of others too!!!!! Especially, if it is the majority!
Cheers,
In a country where all the media is bought by the CIA,where all the party leaders are either put to jail,or by video tapes changed to the men of CIA,Where vote counting software belongs to CIA...talking about elections is being a clown.
Don't expect me to respect clowns

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