Tui Manu'a of Samoa vs Tui Pulotu of Fiji

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TOA

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#1 Dec 23, 2009
Dr Mahina stated:

Tongan History

Over time and space, Tongan society became more settled, shaped strictly by both internal pressure and external influences. The external influences came in the form of imperial activities beginning with the Tu’i Pulotu empire in Fiji and followed by the Tu’i Manu’a empire in Samoa. In other words, Tonga was under considerable influence from the imperialism of both Fiji and Samoa. However, Tonga was able to free herself through bitter and bloody wars from the imperial domination of the Tu’i Manu’a -- which eventually led to the formation of the Tu’i Tonga empire around AD 950 in the person of ‘Aho’eitu, the first Tu’i Tonga -- whose father was a deified Samoan high chief, Tangaloa ‘Eitumâtupu’a, and mother a Tongan woman, Va’epopua, of great noble birth. This double origin entitled the Tu’i Tonga to hold both divine and secular offices. In principle, the close cultural and historical interlinkages between Fiji, Samoa and Tonga were essentially elitist, involving the intermarriage between regional aristocratic families.

Now from what was stated above that means Fiji had major influence over Tonga then Tui Manu'a had major influence over Tonga etc.....

Could it be that Tui Pulotu of Fiji & Tui Manu'a of Samoa engaged in War over the island of Tonga? Tonga was influence by both Fiji & Samoa but it seems Tui Manu'a pushed Melanesian Influence out of Tonga and gained the upper hand etc.....

1) 950AD 1st Tui Toga Ahoeitu father Tui Manu'a.

2) 1000AD Samoa & Tonga (Polynesians) invade Fiji from the East (Lau Group). Tui Pulotu was from the Lau Group etc.....

Now the Tui Manu'a Empire & Tui Pulotu Empire took place long before the Tui Toga Line ever existed.

Feel free to comment
palangi loi

Auckland, New Zealand

#2 Dec 23, 2009
what ever floats your boat koa tui manua and tui pulotu fizzeled out when the going got tough .what are you trying to prove does tui manua want a medal ? smart kings from tonga " life is not a sprint but a marathon" blood line of the tui tonga rule to the present. tua ofa atu
palangi loi

Auckland, New Zealand

#3 Dec 23, 2009
TOA wrote:
Dr Mahina stated:
Tongan History
Over time and space, Tongan society became more settled, shaped strictly by both internal pressure and external influences. The external influences came in the form of imperial activities beginning with the Tu’i Pulotu empire in Fiji and followed by the Tu’i Manu’a empire in Samoa. In other words, Tonga was under considerable influence from the imperialism of both Fiji and Samoa. However, Tonga was able to free herself through bitter and bloody wars from the imperial domination of the Tu’i Manu’a -- which eventually led to the formation of the Tu’i Tonga empire around AD 950 in the person of ‘Aho’eitu, the first Tu’i Tonga -- whose father was a deified Samoan high chief, Tangaloa ‘Eitumâtupu’a, and mother a Tongan woman, Va’epopua, of great noble birth. This double origin entitled the Tu’i Tonga to hold both divine and secular offices. In principle, the close cultural and historical interlinkages between Fiji, Samoa and Tonga were essentially elitist, involving the intermarriage between regional aristocratic families.
Now from what was stated above that means Fiji had major influence over Tonga then Tui Manu'a had major influence over Tonga etc.....
Could it be that Tui Pulotu of Fiji & Tui Manu'a of Samoa engaged in War over the island of Tonga? Tonga was influence by both Fiji & Samoa but it seems Tui Manu'a pushed Melanesian Influence out of Tonga and gained the upper hand etc.....
1) 950AD 1st Tui Toga Ahoeitu father Tui Manu'a.
2) 1000AD Samoa & Tonga (Polynesians) invade Fiji from the East (Lau Group). Tui Pulotu was from the Lau Group etc.....
Now the Tui Manu'a Empire & Tui Pulotu Empire towhat ever floats your boat koa tui manua and tui pulotu fizzeled out when the going got tough .what are you trying to prove does tui manua want a medal ? smart kings from tonga " life is not a sprint but a marathon" blood line of the tui tonga rule to the present. tua ofa atu ok place long before the Tui Toga Line ever existed.
Feel free to comment
what ever floats your boat koa tui manua and tui pulotu fizzeled out when the going got tough .what are you trying to prove does tui manua want a medal ? smart kings from tonga " life is not a sprint but a marathon" blood line of the tui tonga rule to the present. tua ofa atu

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Since: Oct 09

Phoenix, Arizona

#4 Dec 23, 2009
Curious tuipulotu a fijian name!!! I swear i kno sum tongans wit dat last name tuipulotu
TOA

United States

#5 Dec 23, 2009
palangi loi wrote:
what ever floats your boat koa tui manua and tui pulotu fizzeled out when the going got tough .what are you trying to prove does tui manua want a medal ? smart kings from tonga " life is not a sprint but a marathon" blood line of the tui tonga rule to the present. tua ofa atu
Isnt the present King of Tonga from the Tui Kanokupolu line and not the Tui Tonga line?
Moana-a-Maui

Ripponlea, Australia

#6 Dec 23, 2009
We have Scientifically established that Nukuleka in Tonga in the cradle of Polynesia...this eleminate the Human bias in any Scientic equation ..so the Mythology..Legend stories are link and atune to this facts
Mythology Legend originate from a common source..and it depend on who is telling it,,thus we have a lot of common Legendary Character such as Maui, Tangaloa etc etc with different version..
The facts are the early or Pro-Polynesian people settled in Nukuleka..from where the population grow..settled Tongatau..Ha'apai..Vava'u Niua, Niue and Samoa ( Ha'amoa)...Fiji etc..
The forefathers of the Tu'i Manu'a which originally came from Tonga, Cheif of Fiji, Haapai Vava'u annually travel to Tonga to pay tribute INASI..to the Tu'i Tonga...this was held around June, July as thats after the Cyclone season...
When all these Chiefs came with their INASI..kie, Kalia etc etc to the Tu'itonga..there were a lot of cultural festivities..plus the arrange arranged marraged...the usually bring lovely Taaupoou from Samoa to be one of the wives of the Tu'itonga or his sons
Tohu'ia..is one of the later ones brought to be one of the Tu'itongas son.. her father and her people of wating came too...they the Ha'amoa people live in Mu'a at Faleleleu ( or Fa'aleleu)...Tatakamotonga..ca me from the Samoan which is ) becareful ( a bit scared) of the Tongan..
Tapu'osi of Fiji had children with the Tamaha..which create the Falefisi...
What we now established because Tonga was first settled...it did command the result of the Pacific History...all the Legend Mythology is link to this altough it had different version according to human bias...Scientifically..the Tongan version can stand the scrutiny of Academic discussion
It is much the same as the origin of Human..originally Lucy was the mother of Human being..later finding in Somalia have push back the origin og Human millions of yaers back..
Those who still believe Ha'amoa is the origin need to go on looking for scientific proof..keep digging
Now Tonga is the ORIGIN of Polynesia..& the Tongan version of Mythology, Legend etc..
Malo
TOA

United States

#7 Dec 23, 2009
Moana-a-Maui wrote:
We have Scientifically established that Nukuleka in Tonga in the cradle of Polynesia...this eleminate the Human bias in any Scientic equation ..so the Mythology..Legend stories are link and atune to this facts
Mythology Legend originate from a common source..and it depend on who is telling it,,thus we have a lot of common Legendary Character such as Maui, Tangaloa etc etc with different version..
The facts are the early or Pro-Polynesian people settled in Nukuleka..from where the population grow..settled Tongatau..Ha'apai..Vava'u Niua, Niue and Samoa ( Ha'amoa)...Fiji etc..
The forefathers of the Tu'i Manu'a which originally came from Tonga, Cheif of Fiji, Haapai Vava'u annually travel to Tonga to pay tribute INASI..to the Tu'i Tonga...this was held around June, July as thats after the Cyclone season...
When all these Chiefs came with their INASI..kie, Kalia etc etc to the Tu'itonga..there were a lot of cultural festivities..plus the arrange arranged marraged...the usually bring lovely Taaupoou from Samoa to be one of the wives of the Tu'itonga or his sons
Tohu'ia..is one of the later ones brought to be one of the Tu'itongas son.. her father and her people of wating came too...they the Ha'amoa people live in Mu'a at Faleleleu ( or Fa'aleleu)...Tatakamotonga..ca me from the Samoan which is ) becareful ( a bit scared) of the Tongan..
Tapu'osi of Fiji had children with the Tamaha..which create the Falefisi...
What we now established because Tonga was first settled...it did command the result of the Pacific History...all the Legend Mythology is link to this altough it had different version according to human bias...Scientifically..the Tongan version can stand the scrutiny of Academic discussion
It is much the same as the origin of Human..originally Lucy was the mother of Human being..later finding in Somalia have push back the origin og Human millions of yaers back..
Those who still believe Ha'amoa is the origin need to go on looking for scientific proof..keep digging
Now Tonga is the ORIGIN of Polynesia..& the Tongan version of Mythology, Legend etc..
Malo
You call old pottery proof? LMAO
TOA

United States

#8 Dec 23, 2009
Here's your Lapita theory:

How the name Lapita Originated:

An archeologist picked up a piece of pottery from the bottom of a pit he had dug. Some natives arriving on the scene seen the pit the archeologist had dug and yelled, Xaapeta! which means, He Dug A Pit! Unfortunately the scientist thought the natives were getting excited about the piece of pottery he was holding in his hand and thought that the exclamation, Xaapeta! was the name of the culture the pottery represented. The archeologist then pronounced the word Xaapeta as Lapita and wrote it on his scientific paper. Since then the Lapita name became permanent.

Tell me do you still believe in Lapita?
palangi loi

Wellington, New Zealand

#9 Dec 24, 2009
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
Isnt the present King of Tonga from the Tui Kanokupolu line and not the Tui Tonga line?
yes the kanokupolu dynasty reigns but the same blood line as tui tonga , general knowledge
palangi loi

Wellington, New Zealand

#10 Dec 24, 2009
TOA wrote:
Here's your Lapita theory:
How the name Lapita Originated:
An archeologist picked up a piece of pottery from the bottom of a pit he had dug. Some natives arriving on the scene seen the pit the archeologist had dug and yelled, Xaapeta! which means, He Dug A Pit! Unfortunately the scientist thought the natives were getting excited about the piece of pottery he was holding in his hand and thought that the exclamation, Xaapeta! was the name of the culture the pottery represented. The archeologist then pronounced the word Xaapeta as Lapita and wrote it on his scientific paper. Since then the Lapita name became permanent.
Tell me do you still believe in Lapita?
what is your point ? sure a misunderstanding between the archeologist and the natives . show us your research to challenge or dispute what has been discovered in nukuleka

Since: Dec 09

New Zealand

#11 Dec 24, 2009
MOANA A MULI
YOUR CONFUSING
YORSELF WIF YOR
BIG WORDS, ADVICE
MATE KEEP IT SIMPLE
AND MOST OF ALL
KEEP IT REAL YOR
THOUGHTS R FICTION
TOA

United States

#12 Dec 24, 2009
palangi loi wrote:
<quoted text>what is your point ? sure a misunderstanding between the archeologist and the natives . show us your research to challenge or dispute what has been discovered in nukuleka
What has been discovered in Nukuleka is a pottery that is 100% Melanesian. Pottery is not a Polynesian trait etc.....
palangi loi

Rotorua, New Zealand

#13 Dec 25, 2009
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
What has been discovered in Nukuleka is a pottery that is 100% Melanesian. Pottery is not a Polynesian trait etc.....
says who

Since: Dec 09

New Zealand

#14 Dec 25, 2009
DNA IS DA FUTURE AND DA PAST
DUMB BUUSTARDSZ
TOA

United States

#15 Dec 25, 2009
palangi loi wrote:
<quoted text>says who
Says archeologists research it.
what the

Fairfield, Australia

#16 Dec 26, 2009
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
What has been discovered in Nukuleka is a pottery that is 100% Melanesian. Pottery is not a Polynesian trait etc.....
Toa Pls name your archaeologist or source so we can folow it up.
Thanks
tautahi

Stanmore Bay, New Zealand

#17 Dec 27, 2009
netbanger wrote:
DNA IS DA FUTURE AND DA PAST
DUMB BUUSTARDSZ
just another fiepoto who knows nothing,please moe pi the only bastard here is you ask your mum

Since: Dec 09

New Zealand

#18 Dec 27, 2009
just another fiepoto who knows nothing,please moe pi the only bastard here is you ask your mum

wat du know mr
big shot, r u
jealous dat samoans
have more balls
den u haha fak of
and have a dog..
bala ku

Since: Dec 09

New Zealand

#19 Dec 27, 2009
just another fiepoto who knows nothing,please moe pi the only bastard here is you ask your mum

yor secrets r revealed
tautahi

Stanmore Bay, New Zealand

#20 Dec 27, 2009
netbanger wrote:
just another fiepoto who knows nothing,please moe pi the only bastard here is you ask your mum
wat du know mr
big shot, r u
jealous dat samoans
have more balls
den u haha fak of
and have a dog..
bala ku
ha ha ha how many balls do samoans have? 4 or 5 that explains why you waddle like your dad ha ha ha

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