Tui Manu'a Empire Of Samoa (Original Rulers Of Tonga)

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Nov 29, 2011
 
TUI TONGA RULE IN SAMOA

Where is the evidence? Specifically tell me what are all the Tongan Influences in Samoa? Tell me what islands in Samoa have Tongan mixed with there language? What island in Samoa practices Tongan customs, dances, traditions etc due to this so called TONGAN RULE?

* I bet not 1 Tongan here can answer my questions above. The reason none of you will be able to answer my questions above is because ancient TUI TONGA'S have always been (SAMOAN) to begin with.

(M.H PULOKA OF TONGA)

* The coming of Samoans from (Manu'a) was regarded by local Tongans as a celestial event in which these Samoans dominated Tonga and produced myths about various GODS. These Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) competed amongst themselves for the role of supreme ruler of Tonga which resulted in the establishment of Ahoeitu the 1st Tui Tonga.

* Ahoeitu, though he was considered sacred was also responsible for secular care of the people of Tonga. The domination of the pre-Ahoeitu era by the fascinating Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) "reflected a degree of localization taking place at the social, economic, political, cultural, spiritual & mental levels.

(Rev J.E Moulton Founder of Tupou College Of Tonga):

* A migration from Samoa to Tonga took place in the days of Ahoeitu. These people came from Samoa, and first landed on the east end of the island near Lafonga, where they settled. After living there for many years, eventually removed to the east entrance into Mua inlet, and some of them still live there.

(Okusitino Mahina of Tonga History/Research Association):

* Over time and space, Tongan society became more settled, shaped strictly by both internal pressure and external influences. The external influences came in the form of imperial activities beginning with the Tui Pulotu empire in Fiji and followed by the Tui Manua empire in Samoa. In other words, Tonga was under considerable influence from the imperialism of both Fiji and Samoa. However, Tonga was able to free herself through bitter and bloody wars from the imperial domination of the Tui Manua -- which eventually led to the formation of the Tui Tonga empire around AD 950 in the person of Ahoeitu, the first Tui Tonga -- whose father was a deified Samoan high chief, Tangaloa Eitumâtupua, and mother a Tongan woman, Vaepopua, of great noble birth. This double origin entitled the Tui Tonga to hold both divine and secular offices. In principle, the close cultural and historical interlinkages between Fiji, Samoa and Tonga were essentially elitist, involving the intermarriage between regional aristocratic families. However, the rise and fall of these regional empires took place well before the contact with Europe.

(Opeti Taliai Of The Tongan History/Research Association):

* Tui Manu'a

The sociopolitical region of Samoa Atoa: included Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, Rarotonga, Tahiti, and Wahua, which all had to bring Tu'i Manu'a 'umiti = food tributes. All these islands were known as Samoa Atoa when coming together but were considered as tribes when coming together forcefully opposing one another as each one trying to establish a social recognition within the dominion of the Tu'i Manu'a.

* Ahoeitu

In historical terms, food is a sociopolitical means of personal struggle for power. Like fishing, the moheofo food of Va'epopua (mother of 1st Tui Tonga Ahoeitu) is bait which was used to catch the highest sacred royal blood of the Tu'i Manu'a. But at the cost of making the local Tongan descent group the peito, the low-ranking.

THE EFFECTS OF SAMOAN RULE IN TONGA

1) The local Tongans were banned from ever being of high rank hence only Samoans could rise to the Tui Tonga throne and marry into the Tui Tonga line where as local Tongans couldn't. Local Tongans could never mingle in the affairs of Tui Tonga where as Samoans could. Local Tongans couldn't get close or participate in Sacred Ceremonies of Tui Tonga where as Samoans could.
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Nov 29, 2011
 
say what the fking hell yo there was know Tui Manu'a Empire Of Samoa the word tui drives from the word king from fiji and tonga do you know how many tui are in fiji and tonga alot of them even in other islands each owns his part of the kingdom but all come under one person tui tonga thats why for 1000s of years been going to tonga.
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Nov 29, 2011
 
Oiau kuo ita a pu ia ahahahahahaha
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Nov 29, 2011
 
Hey Toa,

'Aho'eitu father is Tangaloa 'Eitumatu'a right,where is Tangaloa 'Eitumatu'a fit in as a Tu'i Manu'a?as you stated that 'Aho'eitu is a son of Tu'i Manu'a.
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Nov 29, 2011
 
lmao wada angry aisan ^^^^^ lol Tonga Rulers of the Pacific! tru story!

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Nov 29, 2011
 
Nah they ruled us. Let them have their little small victory, they want it so bad. It happened so long ago that no one even cares.
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Nov 30, 2011
 
where is king manu'a ? who is the crown prince ?
where is his palace ? any samoan here ? please let me know so i go and worship him/her.
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Nov 30, 2011
 
TOA wrote:
TUI TONGA RULE IN SAMOA
Where is the evidence? Specifically tell me what are all the Tongan
* The coming of Samoans from (Manu'a) was regarded by local Tongans as a celestial event in which these Samoans dominated Tonga and produced myths about various GODS. These Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) competed amongst themselves for the role of supreme ruler of Tonga which resulted in the establishment of Ahoeitu the 1st Tui Tonga.
* Ahoeitu, though he was considered sacred was also responsible for secular care of the people of Tonga. The domination of the pre-Ahoeitu era by the fascinating Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) "reflected a degree of localization taking place at the social, economic, political, cultural, spiritual & mental levels.
(Rev J.E Moulton Founder of Tupou College Of Tonga):
* A migration from Samoa to Tonga took place in the days of Ahoeitu. These people came from Samoa, and first landed on the east end of the island near Lafonga, where they settled. After living there for many years, eventually removed to the east entrance into Mua inlet, and some of them still live there.
(Okusitino Mahina of Tonga History/Research Association):
* Over time and space, Tongan society became more settled, shaped strictly by both internal pressure and external influences. The external influences came in the form of imperial activities beginning with the Tui Pulotu empire in Fiji and followed by the Tui Manua empire in Samoa. In other words, Tonga was under considerable influence from the imperialism of both Fiji and Samoa. However, Tonga was able to free herself through bitter and bloody wars from the imperial domination of the Tui Manua -- which eventually led to the formation of the Tui Tonga empire around AD 950 in the person of Ahoeitu, the first Tui Tonga -- whose father was a deified Samoan high chief, Tangaloa Eitumâtupua, and mother a Tongan woman, Vaepopua, of great noble birth. This double origin entitled the Tui Tonga to hold both divine and secular offices. In principle, the close cultural and historical interlinkages between Fiji, Samoa and Tonga were essentially elitist, involving the intermarriage between regional aristocratic families. However, the rise and fall of these regional empires took place well before the contact with Europe.
(Opeti Taliai Of The Tongan History/Research Association):
* Tui Manu'a
The sociopolitical region of Samoa Atoa: included Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, Rarotonga, Tahiti, and Wahua, which all had to bring Tu'i Manu'a 'umiti = food tributes. All these islands were known as Samoa Atoa when coming together but were considered as tribes when coming together forcefully opposing one another as each one trying to establish a social recognition within the dominion of the Tu'i Manu'a.
* Ahoeitu
In historical terms, food is a sociopolitical means of personal struggle for power. Like fishing, the moheofo food of Va'epopua (mother of 1st Tui Tonga Ahoeitu) is bait which was used to catch the highest sacred royal blood of the Tu'i Manu'a. But at the cost of making the local Tongan descent group the peito, the low-ranking.
THE EFFECTS OF SAMOAN RULE IN TONGA
1) The local Tongans were banned from ever being of high rank hence only Samoans could rise to the Tui Tonga throne and marry into the Tui Tonga line where as local Tongans couldn't. Local Tongans could never mingle in the affairs of Tui Tonga where as Samoans could. Local Tongans couldn't get close or participate in Sacred Ceremonies of Tui Tonga where as Samoans could.
hahahaha... no Tongan can vouch for this for it never existed... Oh
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Nov 30, 2011
 
everyone in da pacific dnt hav a clue who tui manua is. ask around the answer wil b, wtf? stop wastn time and go get a job lol
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Nov 30, 2011
 
what about dis old samoan chant asking TuiTonga to have compassion/mercy.

Moe mai! moe mai! to'a i'inā! ma Iota mata'u ua po lasi.
Te'ite'i ane; ōu tau'upu ua ni pulu ma'ali.
Samoa a fano, ua iē; i lou maita'i.

Asleep! asleep! asleep there! and my (dread or) terror is now nights many.
Awake gently! thy thighs are like the scented gum of the ma'ali.
Samoa is about to perish, is weary.

Ututau ai Toga mamao,
Apoapo ai Samoa

Tonga further off continually fights
Stir up Samoa

Tui-Toga ua e le alofa ea lava?
O Tui-Tonga, have you no compassion/mercy for me?

TuiTonga bringing terror to samoa lol

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Nov 30, 2011
 
Hokka1 wrote:
what about dis old samoan chant asking TuiTonga to have compassion/mercy.
Moe mai! moe mai! to'a i'inā! ma Iota mata'u ua po lasi.
Te'ite'i ane; ōu tau'upu ua ni pulu ma'ali.
Samoa a fano, ua iē; i lou maita'i.
Asleep! asleep! asleep there! and my (dread or) terror is now nights many.
Awake gently! thy thighs are like the scented gum of the ma'ali.
Samoa is about to perish, is weary.
Ututau ai Toga mamao,
Apoapo ai Samoa
Tonga further off continually fights
Stir up Samoa
Tui-Toga ua e le alofa ea lava?
O Tui-Tonga, have you no compassion/mercy for me?
TuiTonga bringing terror to samoa lol
Hokka

I love how you edited the original chant typical Tongan adding there own words on original documents:

ORIGINAL CHANT:

The Chant of Samoan Tui Manu'a Fitiaumua son of Veu and Veu who conquered Tonga and Fiji:

For they thoughtlessly shouted before the fight.
They were driven to the west, driven to the east;
Fiti-au-mua was [hard] pushed;
30 The left-hand club fell,
But he held tight the other.
Her son stood firm,—
The boy of Sā-le-Ām āli'e,
Whence did [this] your occupation grow?
35 You are young; you have grown quickly.
Tui-talau [your companion chief] calls to you;
“Fiti-au-mua, fight on, make a stand;
Your [present] business is to strive on perseveringly.”
“Whence did this business come, this good business of yours?”
40 “I got it in my own lands,[he answers];
That is the occupation which I obtained.
Now I am going; I will voyage;
I am not satiated with fighting;
I will dive down [in the sea] at Au-muli,
45 And came up in Fiji with the club.”
Since then Fiji has been continually at war.
Stir up Sa-fulu-sau.
Tonga further off continually fights
Stir up Samoa;
50 The whole group continually fights.
Lauli'i is where a trench is dug.
It is not the digging of a war-hole; (or the stirring up of strife)
It is my lying in wait for Fiti-au-mua
Fiti-au-mua, it is my lying in wait;
55 Keep far off from it; it is not a war-hole.
The business of my story arose from the boy.
Let them swim off with prosperity or swim off with adversity
Prepare very leisurely
For [the coming of] Veu and her son;
60 They got ashore in Savai'i and at Muli-fanua of A'ana;
Onela'a contends in vain;
Lauli'i tells it in his cave;
Wars grew up at Le-Folasa;
There was a shout of battle at Malae-'ava;
65 Valūa and Tiŕpa contend;
Wars grew up in Fiti-uta;
There was fighting in Pu'a-pu'a;
At Anga'e-on-sea and Anga'e-inland;
Don't rouse up the boy of Veu.
70 Tōfa, rise up, awake;
For the work he has to do is not yet completed.
A battle was fought at Muli-vai.
“Stand up to it, Le Fanonga;
Let the war go up to Mata-utu;

By the way Hokka who the in the world is Talakaifekai?

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Nov 30, 2011
 
Poly KING wrote:
<quoted text>hahahaha... no Tongan can vouch for this for it never existed... Oh
No PK commoners of Tonga cant vouch for it because anciently your ancestors were never apart of the TUi Tonga Line in any way shape or form until hundreds of years later.

At least the answer to how come Tui Tonga didnt leave behind any Tongan Influence in Samoa such as Customs, Traditions, Dances etc.. etc.. etc.. can now be addressed.

The answer is because Ancient Tui Tonga's were already SAMOAN to begin with.

PULOKA OF TONGA

* The coming of Samoans from Manu'a was regarded by local Tongans as a celestial event and produced myths about various GODS. These Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) competed amongst themselves for the role of supreme ruler of Tonga which resulted in the establishment of Ahoeitu the 1st Tui Tonga.

* Ahoeitu, though he was considered sacred was also responsible for secular care of the people of Tonga. The domination of the pre-Ahoeitu era by the fascinating Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) "reflected a degree of localization taking place at the social, economic, political, cultural, spiritual & mental levels.

Ahoeitu was of Manu'a (Samoa) Origin.

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Hokka

Anciently there was rivalry in Samoa between Upolu and Manu'a this rivalry carried on into Tonga.

Tui Manu'a Empire (TAGALOA REGIME):(Samoans of Manu'a become rulers of Tonga):

* The coming of Samoans from Manu'a was regarded by local Tongans as a celestial event and produced myths about various GODS. These Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) competed amongst themselves for the role of supreme ruler of Tonga which resulted in the establishment of Ahoeitu the 1st Tui Tonga.

* 15th Tui Tonga Talakaifaiki who was also of Samoan Ancestry was made a district Chief in Savaii (SAFOTU) but was later defeated by Tuna and Fata and expelled from Samoa birth of Warrior Line of Chiefs (MALIETOA DYNASTY).

* Civil Wars erupt in Samoa due to the fact Malietoa is not recognized as being of Royal Blood (TAGALOA BLOODLINE) by Tui Manu'a (HEAD), Tui Atua & Tui A'ana.

* 2 new lines/titles are established by the Malietoa Family which were the Tamasoali'i title and Gatoaitele title.

* A new political system is established in Samoa known as the (TUPU) Tafa'ifa of UPOLU origin. In order to become Tafa'ifa you had to possess 4 specific Royal Titles of Samoa which was the Tui Atua, Tui A'ana, Tamasoali'i and Gatoaitele titles.

* Samoan Chief Ama of Safata Upolu migrates to Tonga which later leads to the establishment of the Tui Kanokupolu (HEART/FLESH OF UPOLU) Line in Tonga.

* The first Tupu Tafa'ifa was Salamasina who was by far one of the most Royal Polynesians of Ancient times. She possessed the Royal blood of Tui Manu'a, Tui Tonga, Tui Atua, Tui A'ana, Tui Fiti etc.. etc.. etc...(The Tupu Tafa'ifa ruled all islands West Of Manu'a).

* The seat of Power of all Samoa shifts from Manu'a (Tui Manu'a) to Upolu (Tupu Tafa'ifa). Tui Manu'a no longer has political authority over Samoa but was still recognized as being of the most Sacred and highest Ranked.

TUPU TAFA'IFA:

Tui-A’ana, Tui-Atua, Gatoaitele, and Vaetamasoalii, the four Papa titles together as: Tafa’ifa. Each title chiefs namely has two supporters who on festive occasions sit to the right and left of the Tupu Tafa’ifa. These supporters are called tafa’i or tuitui As with all other offices in Samoa , these are privileges of certain families and are associated with bearers of that family name. For the Tui-A’ana title they are the chiefs Umaga and Pasese; for the Tui-Atua title, Tupa’i and Ta’inau; for the title Gatoaitele, the two paramount orators Fata and Maulolo; and for the title Vaetamasoalii lastly the two orators Fuga and Mauava of Safata. At the Tafa’ifa all four seats of government distribute themselves alongside the King; in general Leulumoega and Lufilufi sit to the left, Afega and Safata to the right.

Does this custom sound familiar Hokka? Just to give you a hint this custom is still practiced by the Samoan Tui Kanokupolu of Tonga till this day hence Motuapuaka sits on the right and Lauaki on the Left.

Be back later with more.

Soifua

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Hokka

Anciently there was rivalry in Samoa between Upolu and Manu'a this rivalry carried on into Tonga.

Tui Manu'a Empire (TAGALOA REGIME):(Samoans of Manu'a become rulers of Tonga):

* The coming of Samoans from Manu'a was regarded by local Tongans as a celestial event and produced myths about various GODS. These Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) competed amongst themselves for the role of supreme ruler of Tonga which resulted in the establishment of Ahoeitu the 1st Tui Tonga.

* 15th Tui Tonga Talakaifaiki who was also of Samoan Ancestry was made a district Chief in Savaii (SAFOTU) but was later defeated by Tuna and Fata and expelled from Samoa birth of Warrior Line of Chiefs (MALIETOA DYNASTY).

* Civil Wars erupt in Samoa due to the fact Malietoa is not recognized as being of Royal Blood (TAGALOA BLOODLINE) by Tui Manu'a (HEAD), Tui Atua & Tui A'ana.

* 2 new lines/titles are established by the Malietoa Family which were the Tamasoali'i title and Gatoaitele title.

* A new political system is established in Samoa known as the (TUPU) Tafa'ifa of UPOLU origin. In order to become Tafa'ifa you had to possess 4 specific Royal Titles of Samoa which was the Tui Atua, Tui A'ana, Tamasoali'i and Gatoaitele titles.

* Samoan Chief Ama of Safata Upolu migrates to Tonga which later leads to the establishment of the Tui Kanokupolu (HEART/FLESH OF UPOLU) Line in Tonga.

* The first Tupu Tafa'ifa was Salamasina who was by far one of the most Royal Polynesians of Ancient times. She possessed the Royal blood of Tui Manu'a, Tui Tonga, Tui Atua, Tui A'ana, Tui Fiti etc.. etc.. etc...(The Tupu Tafa'ifa ruled all islands West Of Manu'a).

* The seat of Power of all Samoa shifts from Manu'a (Tui Manu'a) to Upolu (Tupu Tafa'ifa). Tui Manu'a no longer has political authority over Samoa but was still recognized as being of the most Sacred and highest Ranked.

TUPU TAFA'IFA:

Tui-A’ana, Tui-Atua, Gatoaitele, and Vaetamasoalii, the four Papa titles together as: Tafa’ifa. Each title chiefs namely has two supporters who on festive occasions sit to the right and left of the Tupu Tafa’ifa. These supporters are called tafa’i or tuitui As with all other offices in Samoa , these are privileges of certain families and are associated with bearers of that family name. For the Tui-A’ana title they are the chiefs Umaga and Pasese; for the Tui-Atua title, Tupa’i and Ta’inau; for the title Gatoaitele, the two paramount orators Fata and Maulolo; and for the title Vaetamasoalii lastly the two orators Fuga and Mauava of Safata. At the Tafa’ifa all four seats of government distribute themselves alongside the King; in general Leulumoega and Lufilufi sit to the left, Afega and Safata to the right.

Does this custom sound familiar Hokka? It is of Upolu Origin just to give you a hint this custom is still practiced by the Samoan Tui Kanokupolu dynasty of Tonga till this day hence Motuapuaka sits on the right and Lauaki on the Left.

Be back later with more.

Soifua
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lmao toa u sound angry?? lol y wen you guys hav old chants about tuitonga bringing da rain to hamoa?? lmao wat else evidence do u want??? lmao

and dnt put up tui manua vs samoa bulshit i culdnt giv a piece of rat poo about hamoa made up bulcrap, TuiTonga is da real in polynesias history all da islands tlk about it.

u put up a lie about chief ama of sofata goin to tonga to establish da tui kanokupolu title! lmao wada a loi elo guy lol y do u hamoas lie for??? u kno and i knw dats a lie.

Tui Haatakalaua Kauulufonua married chief amas daughter and out of dat marriage the son Ngata was born, it was Ngata dat Tui Haatakalaua bestowed da title "Tui Kanokupolu" flesh of upolu, since hes mother was from sofata, upolu lol

wada loi elo guy lol come on our forum and try and lie to us about our history, toa u make me laugh by tryng to remix our proud Tongan history lol
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lol and this is wat u write as a poor excuse fr y TuiTonga and his menacing warriors ruled samoa

"At least the answer to how come Tui Tonga didnt leave behind any Tongan Influence in Samoa such as Customs, Traditions, Dances etc.. etc.. etc.. can now be addressed.

The answer is because Ancient Tui Tonga's were already SAMOAN to begin with"

lmao bahahahahaha ^^^^^^^^ wada pityful excuse lol nw thats wat i call one INDENIAL samoan lol aint dat a trip lmao

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lmao toa u sound angry?? lol y wen you guys hav old chants about tuitonga bringing da rain to hamoa?? lmao wat else evidence do u want??? lmao
and dnt put up tui manua vs samoa bulshit i culdnt giv a piece of rat poo about hamoa made up bulcrap, TuiTonga is da real in polynesias history all da islands tlk about it.
u put up a lie about chief ama of sofata goin to tonga to establish da tui kanokupolu title! lmao wada a loi elo guy lol y do u hamoas lie for??? u kno and i knw dats a lie.
Tui Haatakalaua Kauulufonua married chief amas daughter and out of dat marriage the son Ngata was born, it was Ngata dat Tui Haatakalaua bestowed da title "Tui Kanokupolu" flesh of upolu, since hes mother was from sofata, upolu lol
wada loi elo guy lol come on our forum and try and lie to us about our history, toa u make me laugh by tryng to remix our proud Tongan history lol
Hokka

By your posts I can just feel the HATE in the air that you have towards Samoans. My brother I have no ill well towards my Tongans brothers and sisters I actually work with TONGANS and really close to them.

As for Chants yes Samoa has chants about the War of Malietoa vs Tui Tonga. Samoa also has chants about Tui Manu'a conquering Tonga and Fiji but you seem to ignore that part dont you?

As for Tui Kanokupolu Ngata his father was a Tui Haatakalaua who made Ngata a Tui Hihifo not a Tui Kanokupolu. The Tui Kanokupolu title was established by Ngata's Samoan Family.

I hope you read my posts above about the Tafa'ifa - Tui Atua, Tui A'ana, Tamasoali'i & Gatoaitele and the Samoan custom of Protectors known as Tafa'i (Those who sit on the left and right of the Tafa'ifa Chiefs).

* When Gatoaitele and & Tamasoali'i etc.. etc.. etc.. first received there new title many years before Ngata was even born there Tafa'i wrapped themselves up together in a Mat in which they looked like they had 3 Heads they did not separate from each other until the new Chief took and drank his Cup of Kava which means acceptance of the title.(SAMOAN CUSTOM OF INSTALLING A CHIEF specifically Tui Atua, Tui A'ana, Gatoaitele & Tamasoali'i).

During the time of Ngata this Samoan Custom took place in Hihifo. Ngata along with his Tafa'i (Nuku and Niukapu) wrapped themselves up together in a MAT in which they looked like they had 3 heads (ULUTOLU). Tongans seem to be clueless on what took place and why Ngata wrapped himself up in a MAT with NUKU & NIUKAPU.

Tongans dont understand it because it had nothing to do with Tongan Customs but everything to do with Samoan Customs (UPOLU) in other words it was a SAMOAN CEREMONY of installing a new CHIEF Ngata as an ALI'I (TUI KANOKUPOLU) and establishing his Tafa'i (ULUTOLU)(Royal Protectors) etc.. etc.. etc.. etc...

Let me break it down for you:

UPOLU CHIEFS (TAFA'I PROTECTORS)

Tui Atua - Tupa’i and Ta’inau
Tui A'ana - Umaga and Pasese
Tamasoali'i - Fuga and Mauava
Gatoaitele - Fata and Maulolo
Tui Kanokupolu - Nuku and Niukapu

You seem like a real slow guy so let me break it down for you even more:

Upolu Chiefs:

* Tupa’i and Ta’inau sit to the left and right of Tui Atua.
* Umaga and Pasese sit to the left and right of Tui A'ana.
* Fuga and Mauava sit to the left and right of Tamasoali'i.
* Fata and Maulolo sit to the left and right of Gatoaitele.
* Nuku and Niukapu sat to the left and right of Tui Kanokupolu (NGATA).

You have to understand Samoan Politics and Customs to truly understand the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty.

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Hokka1 wrote:
lol and this is wat u write as a poor excuse fr y TuiTonga and his menacing warriors ruled samoa
"At least the answer to how come Tui Tonga didnt leave behind any Tongan Influence in Samoa such as Customs, Traditions, Dances etc.. etc.. etc.. can now be addressed.
The answer is because Ancient Tui Tonga's were already SAMOAN to begin with"
lmao bahahahahaha ^^^^^^^^ wada pityful excuse lol nw thats wat i call one INDENIAL samoan lol aint dat a trip lmao
Hokka

Tell me how many times did ancient Tui Tonga's or his daughters & sons marry a TONGAN?
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TOA wrote:
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Hokka
By your posts I can just feel the HATE in the air that you have towards Samoans. My brother I have no ill well towards my Tongans brothers and sisters I actually work with TONGANS and really close to them.
As for Chants yes Samoa has chants about the War of Malietoa vs Tui Tonga. Samoa also has chants about Tui Manu'a conquering Tonga and Fiji but you seem to ignore that part dont you?
As for Tui Kanokupolu Ngata his father was a Tui Haatakalaua who made Ngata a Tui Hihifo not a Tui Kanokupolu. The Tui Kanokupolu title was established by Ngata's Samoan Family.
I hope you read my posts above about the Tafa'ifa - Tui Atua, Tui A'ana, Tamasoali'i & Gatoaitele and the Samoan custom of Protectors known as Tafa'i (Those who sit on the left and right of the Tafa'ifa Chiefs).
* When Gatoaitele and & Tamasoali'i etc.. etc.. etc.. first received there new title many years before Ngata was even born there Tafa'i wrapped themselves up together in a Mat in which they looked like they had 3 Heads they did not separate from each other until the new Chief took and drank his Cup of Kava which means acceptance of the title.(SAMOAN CUSTOM OF INSTALLING A CHIEF specifically Tui Atua, Tui A'ana, Gatoaitele & Tamasoali'i).
During the time of Ngata this Samoan Custom took place in Hihifo. Ngata along with his Tafa'i (Nuku and Niukapu) wrapped themselves up together in a MAT in which they looked like they had 3 heads (ULUTOLU). Tongans seem to be clueless on what took place and why Ngata wrapped himself up in a MAT with NUKU & NIUKAPU.
Tongans dont understand it because it had nothing to do with Tongan Customs but everything to do with Samoan Customs (UPOLU) in other words it was a SAMOAN CEREMONY of installing a new CHIEF Ngata as an ALI'I (TUI KANOKUPOLU) and establishing his Tafa'i (ULUTOLU)(Royal Protectors) etc.. etc.. etc.. etc...
Let me break it down for you:
UPOLU CHIEFS (TAFA'I PROTECTORS)
Tui Atua - Tupa’i and Ta’inau
Tui A'ana - Umaga and Pasese
Tamasoali'i - Fuga and Mauava
Gatoaitele - Fata and Maulolo
Tui Kanokupolu - Nuku and Niukapu
You seem like a real slow guy so let me break it down for you even more:
Upolu Chiefs:
* Tupa’i and Ta’inau sit to the left and right of Tui Atua.
* Umaga and Pasese sit to the left and right of Tui A'ana.
* Fuga and Mauava sit to the left and right of Tamasoali'i.
* Fata and Maulolo sit to the left and right of Gatoaitele.
* Nuku and Niukapu sat to the left and right of Tui Kanokupolu (NGATA).
You have to understand Samoan Politics and Customs to truly understand the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty.
lies lies lies lies lol you hav no undrstanding whatsoever about why Ngata was given the title Tui Kanokupolu, your made up lies with the above comments clearly illustrates to me or us Tongans who know about the tongan culture that you are a liar and a jealous samoan hellbent on twisting our powerful history into lies. lol

first of all i gota laugh becoz you say dat Ngatas samoan side established da title. WRONG

Ngata was sent to Hihifo by his father Tui Haatakalaua who was the reigning TuiTonga of that time, to govern that region and was escorted by chief nuku and Niukapu (tongan warlords) not nopeles and his mothers samoan side fale ha'akili. these 3 were Ngatas matapules (talking chiefs).

Ngata married Va'etapu daughter of Ahome'i chief of Hihifo(Tongan) and thier children carried on the KAUHALAUTA line as Ngatas tui kanokupolu title was a new and young title.

let me ask u this toa do u know and understand the diffrnce btween KAUHALALOTO and KAUHALAUTA lines??? of Tui Tonga???
answer this and i will tell you how many Tongas married TuiTonga holders... il b waitng and by da way dont even try and lie to me becoz im a Tongan who knows his history and not a Tongan who pretends to know samoan history. il b waitn

p.s no one jump in let me and this fia poto duke it out until i expose his bulshitness lol

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