LEE-NEH

New Zealand

#62 Mar 30, 2010
Phaircity wrote:
Man diz is better den skool l0l
yeah i know aye loz but really
Telekaki

Tonga

#63 Mar 30, 2010
TOA wrote:
What I find amazing about the Tui Tonga Line is that this line reigned supreme over Tonga Anciently and it was not until recent times that other lines were created and started competing for POWER over TONGA.
Tui Tonga Dynasty 950 AD supreme ruler of TONGA.
Approximately 520 years later the Tu'i Ha'atakalaua Line was established approximately 1470 AD. The last Tui Haatakalaua Mulikiha'amea was the 16th and last holder of this title.
Then approximately 140 years later the Tu'i Kanokupolu Dynasty approximately in 1610 AD is established. The current King of Tonga holds this title making him the 23rd holder of this title.
As you can see the Tui Tonga has always had supreme power over TONGA no one in Tonga Anciently competed with him for rulership until the establishment of the 2 new LINES but the 2 new lines was not established until 500+ years later so for someone to say Tonga was always fighting amongst each other and there was always CIVIL Wars in Tonga, as of recent times with 2 new Lines established YES but Anciently NO.
500+ years Tui Tonga reigned supreme without Civil Wars or anybody in TONGA trying to take his CROWN etc.
Divisions in Tonga and Civil Wars did not take place in Tonga until the feud between Tui Haatakalaua Vaea & Tui Kanokupolu Mataeletu'apiko around 1640 AD.
This is what Masina was trying to point out to somebody who said Anciently Tonga was divided and always had civil Wars amongst each other.
I find it amazing how Ancient Tui Tongas reigned supreme for 500+ years without any one in Tonga trying to take his title or POWER.
u should stuffd this up deep in yo arsoole! whr the sun wont shine LOL put yo vale kai ta'e opinion out of history u hore

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#64 Apr 1, 2010
Telekaki wrote:
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This is the BULLCRAB m on about..who the fuck is ghata?! lmao its ngata not ghata..don't ever come here n fink u knw tongan history fa'elu maka! n what the hell is a hihifo matapule system??? ha ha ha thrs nuffin in tongan history ever mentiond dat..tu'i kanokupolu were under tu'i ha'atakalaua at the time..the only time tu'i kanokupolu came to power was when taufa'ahau came in..stop your bullshit cos its a laugh for us tongans..and the flesh of 'upolu..daz refers to ngata's samoan hore..she ws a notable figure in 'upolu n daz how the name came about..ngata married to the flesh or the core of 'upolu..get dat straight out of yo mouf u hore! lol
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now which part of tongan history u get this from?? from your arse?? ha ha ha. man i ddn knw u wer a tongan historian lmao stop it already..ur a disgrace to the homos of manua ha ha ha ..n hu did u get the idea dat ngata is samoan??? wtf!? sole mata'usi kai ta'e ho'o kui fai hoosi! lmfao
u r like writing your own history to make u feel good bout yourself..vale kai ta'e
Telekaki ask the people of HIHIFO the HISTORY of there SAMOAN Ancestors they will tell you.
Telekaki

Tonga

#65 Apr 5, 2010
TOA wrote:
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Telekaki ask the people of HIHIFO the HISTORY of there SAMOAN Ancestors they will tell you.
LOL can u stop assuming!! have u been to tonga?? m from fo'ui hihifo n neva knw we have fa'elu maka ancestors!!? lmfao sole u should get yo rocky ass er n do some real work n stop shitting using yo mouf mr historian lmao so ur saying samoans settled hihifo and form the tu'i kanokupolu line and conquer the whole tonga?? ha ha ha samoans these days

“Live life to the fullest”

Since: Apr 10

Tonga

#66 Apr 6, 2010
TOA wrote:
What I find amazing about the Tui Tonga Line is that this line reigned supreme over Tonga Anciently and it was not until recent times that other lines were created and started competing for POWER over TONGA.
Tui Tonga Dynasty 950 AD supreme ruler of TONGA.
Approximately 520 years later the Tu'i Ha'atakalaua Line was established approximately 1470 AD. The last Tui Haatakalaua Mulikiha'amea was the 16th and last holder of this title.
Then approximately 140 years later the Tu'i Kanokupolu Dynasty approximately in 1610 AD is established. The current King of Tonga holds this title making him the 23rd holder of this title.
As you can see the Tui Tonga has always had supreme power over TONGA no one in Tonga Anciently competed with him for rulership until the establishment of the 2 new LINES but the 2 new lines was not established until 500+ years later so for someone to say Tonga was always fighting amongst each other and there was always CIVIL Wars in Tonga, as of recent times with 2 new Lines established YES but Anciently NO.
500+ years Tui Tonga reigned supreme without Civil Wars or anybody in TONGA trying to take his CROWN etc.
Divisions in Tonga and Civil Wars did not take place in Tonga until the feud between Tui Haatakalaua Vaea & Tui Kanokupolu Mataeletu'apiko around 1640 AD.
This is what Masina was trying to point out to somebody who said Anciently Tonga was divided and always had civil Wars amongst each other.
I find it amazing how Ancient Tui Tongas reigned supreme for 500+ years without any one in Tonga trying to take his title or POWER.
Hi Toa, Are you writing a book? This is getting boring and sooo boring. We do know our history anyway but we don't live in the past. We are only concern with our future because that's where we spend most of our times and money...
netbanger

Aiea, HI

#67 Apr 6, 2010
Telekaki wrote:
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LOL can u stop assuming!! have u been to tonga?? m from fo'ui hihifo n neva knw we have fa'elu maka ancestors!!? lmfao sole u should get yo rocky ass er n do some real work n stop shitting using yo mouf mr historian lmao so ur saying samoans settled hihifo and form the tu'i kanokupolu line and conquer the whole tonga?? ha ha ha samoans these days
HONESTLY! i like samoans from samoa, they coo and they dont trip, samoans that are born here in the US, NZ, AUSSIE, seem to think they have the upper hand then anyone, or a diff race

Since: Dec 09

New Zealand

#68 May 14, 2010
Yeah they r cool...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#69 May 19, 2010
TOA wrote:
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Telekaki ask the people of HIHIFO the HISTORY of there SAMOAN Ancestors they will tell you.
U dumbfuck. The people of hihfo is the WESTERN part of Tonga. There HAS NEVER BEEN A SAMOAN MIGRATION to Tonga in the 1600s like u claim everywhere u see online... stop flippin the script. Bottom line is SAMOANS WERE SLAVES TO TONGANS for 300 years. SJust because yr ashamed of yr past dont mean u can try n come on here spreading yr BULLSHIT.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#70 May 20, 2010
TOA wrote:
Here some more interesting connections.
Older titles to younger titles (Correct me if I am wrong).
Tui Manu'a (SAMOA)- 60 holders of this this title
Tui Atua (SAMOA)- 51 holders of this title
Tui Tonga (TONGA)- 39 holders of this title
Tui A'ana -(SAMOA)- 38 holders of this title
Malietoa (SAMOA)- 29 holders of this title
Tui Kanokupolu (TONGA)- 23 holders of this title
Tui Haatakalaua (TONGA)- 16 holders of this title
If you take out the younger titles you are left with these:
Tui Manu'a (SAMOA)- 60 holders of this this title
Tui Atua (SAMOA)- 51 holders of this title
Tui Tonga (TONGA)- 39 holders of this title
Tui A'ana -(SAMOA)- 38 holders of this title
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL POLYNESIAN ROYAL FAMILY STARTING WITH TUI MANU'A.
Evidence that these families being related can be seen by the Ancient & Sacred DIALECT they speak.
SAMOA CHIEFLY DIALECT or FA'AALOALO DIALECT
TONGAN ROYAL DIALECT & TONGAN KING DIALECT
The difference between the 2 Dialects is that in TONGA this dialect is preserved only for the KING and the ROYALS while in SAMOA everyone speaks it.
Similarities:
Tongan Commoner - Mohe,
Tongan Chief/Noble/Prince & Princess - Toka,
Tongan King - Tofa
Samoan Chiefs & People (Upu Faaaloalo)- Sleep (Tofa)
Tongan Commoner - Kai,
Tongan Chief/Noble/Prince & Princess - Ilo,
Tongan King - Taumafa
Samoan Chiefs & People (Upu Faaaloalo)= Eat (Taumafa)
Tonga Commoner - Bath (kaukau),
Tongan Chief/Noble/Prince & Princess - Bath (takele),
Tongan King - Bath (Fakamalu)
Samoan Chiefs & People (Upu Faaaloalo)- Bath (Faamalu)
Just thought you guys might find this as interesting as I did.
Whats so interesting about it? U act as if the Tongan King speaks Samoan? U post up a few words that r spoken in Samoan... if u hear the Tongans speak to their King... the language is just a different form of Tongan that everyone in Tonga still understands... i guarantee u if the Tongan King spoke.. u wouldnt understand a damn thing, but the average Tongan will know exactly what hes talking about.. because we use all these words when talking to him.. but u also hear that kind of language only used at funerals or something of importance.. just like how Samoans flip their T`s(formal) & K`s(informal) in everyday talk. So tell me.. wats so interesting???
tama upolu

Sydney, Australia

#71 May 20, 2010
netbanger wrote:
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HONESTLY! i like samoans from samoa, they coo and they dont trip, samoans that are born here in the US, NZ, AUSSIE, seem to think they have the upper hand then anyone, or a diff race
i know the samoa in toga they suk, no respect!! lol.
Zeke2010

Waltham, MA

#73 May 21, 2010
I wonder if I might interrupt the internecine bickering with a few questions?

I would like to join in this discussion because of my interest in linguistics (the study of languages), with a primary interest in anthroponymy (the study of personal names and naming practices). I have a predilection for languages of pure etymology and phonetic beauty, both of which polynesian languages appear to exhibit. I would like to learn a little about polynesian languages and how they fit into the milieu of world languages; particularly I want to learn a bit about polynesian names and naming practices. Unfortunately, there isn't a great body of readily available literature on these subjects. Most of what is available is filed away in academic and specialty research libraries, such as the Tozzer Anthropological Library at Harvard University, to which one has limited access. I hope that I can use the knowledge and expertise of those on a forum like this to satisfy my curiosities. I wonder, therefore, if any of you guys out there can answer a few questions for me.

In one of the commentaries I read in another forum, it seems to indicate that Moa is the title of the family of the king of Manu’a (Tui Manu’a), assuming that my understanding is correct. Does this mean that the family’s surname would have been “Moa”? How, if at all, is the term Moa related to the modern Polynesian surname Amoa? Also, what is the etymology and meaning of the polynesian surnames Amoa and Aumua? Are they related? I believe the second of these to be the original (birth) surname of NFL player Troy Polamalu, for whom I have great respect for his unabashed faith in God. If the word Moa can refer to "Center", "Heart", or a type of bird, then what differentiates them in actual speech. Are polynesian languages tonal languages like many west african languages, in which the tones imparted to a word can determine the meaning of the word, or is the meaning simply determined by context? Also, if Samoa means "the people of Moa", then the word fragment "Sa" would seem to mean "people", but I recently learned that it means "sacred". How, then, is the name Samoa derived? Regarding the terms Manu'a, Tui Manu'a and Tagaloa, what do these terms refer to, and what are the etymologies for them? Finally, are there any authoritative print or other resources about Polynesian culture, especially surnames and naming practices, to which I might be able to refer in satisfying my interests?

I would especially like to have feedback on these questions by TOA and Ipouono, and hopefully I can get a bit more from Netbanger.

Also, if there is another currently active forum upon which my post would be more appropriate, please let me know.

Thanks to anyone who can answer my questions. God bless.
Zeke2010

Waltham, MA

#74 May 21, 2010
To kuka:

kuka, you said in one post I read that your grandfather's surname was Atoa. Can you tell me a little about that name, such as the meaning and etymology?

“Live life to the fullest”

Since: Apr 10

Tonga

#75 May 21, 2010
Hi Zeke I I think its someone else that said this. Kuka is a type of small red crabs, that lives in the mangroves by the seaside plus I am from Tonga.
U might need to try the Samoan Forums... good luck
tama upolu

Sydney, Australia

#76 May 21, 2010
Koaupeia wrote:
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Tama upolos you suck deeper and longer *LOL*
koaupeia u suk wider and shorter..lol.dikhead!.
puakatau

Spring Hill, FL

#79 May 22, 2010
The interesting thing between the Tongan language and Samoan language:
Tongan are complex where the language reflected society. How you talk to the King is different from how you talk to Chief and its different when you talk to the people. Tonga society is complex.
Samoan language is quiet simple and they speak the chiefly language because when they were under Tongan controls, they were teach to speak the chiefly language since they will be addressing Tongan Chiefs and thats how their language reflect the chiefly language since only the lower caste and the slave speak the chiefly language as they need to address the Tongan chiefs.
puakatau

Spring Hill, FL

#80 May 22, 2010
Samoa vs Ha'amoa

Tongan Language
Ha'a= clan Moa= chicken which in Tongan language the Ha'amoa mean the Chicken clan

Sa= people Moa=???
LEE-NEH

New Zealand

#81 May 23, 2010
Zeke2010 wrote:
To kuka:
kuka, you said in one post I read that your grandfather's surname was Atoa. Can you tell me a little about that name, such as the meaning and etymology?
aw hay it was me.Well my greatgrandfather its now already dead he is a full samoan and all his kids are searching for his brothers and sisters and that why im hear to help them searching for kukas family.He came long long ago and met my greatgrandmother in a small island in tonga and they got married and had heaps of kids and my grandfather always told meh about kuka and he said one day he might travel to samoa to look for kukas brothers and sisters and find more information about his parents.
Zeke

Waltham, MA

#82 May 25, 2010
puakatau,

I discovered this explanation for the meaning of the name "Samoa" in researching the web. It is from an article by one Joseph C. Finney, late of the University of Kentucky. Knowing what I do about the way languages change and develop over time, and about human nature, I find it to be somewhat more convincing than the argument that the early inhabitants of the island decided to call themselves the "chicken clan" or the "people of the chicken". I would like your opinion, as well as any other opinions of it:

In summary, evidence is presented to suggest that (1) Proto-Malayo-Polynesian had a word *maRawa or *maDawa, from which Proto-Polynesian had a word *moa, meaning “ocean” or “deep sea”; and (2) the name Samoa means “people of the ocean or deep sea”.

Both sa and moana are words current in modern Samoan; and so, if this explanation be accepted, Samoan teachers can present the name Samoa as equivalent to sa moana. The explanation is easily understood; and it can help to foster a healthy feeling of pride in the ancestors as heroes who sailed courageously across the vast uncharted seas.

Since: Jul 10

Korea

#83 Jul 11, 2010
kuka wrote:
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Hi Toa Can you please tell me the story about Nomu & Iki. We have got our own website and it will be good to have this posted. We are trying to get as much information about Hofoa.
Hi Kuka

Can you lead me to this website please?

“Live life to the fullest”

Since: Apr 10

Tonga

#84 Jul 12, 2010
chung-che wrote:
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Hi Kuka
Can you lead me to this website please?
Sorry, this website is not public. Forgot the email address of the site manager. What they require is your connection to the village. ie they requre family history first b4 they allow you to access it...

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