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bibrick
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How generous Bush!
Yet, the US must be cautious of playing South Korea.
This is really a dangerous game.
The US may lose its fact.
Keep in mind that Dokdo belongs to Korea.
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BIBRIC
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Japan is the major trouble maker in Southeast and Northeast Asia,falling all of them in the mud.
For the last one century, it's been bothering its neighboring countries,raising territorial disputes.
Japan is just like a child. It does not know when to give up and retreat in the game.
It utilizes huge Lobbying leverage to the US for this issue and other territorial issues with other countries.
Take a look at Germany!
Germany has never ever used lobby for justifying its past history.
Japan must learn Germany's manner.
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jeansguy
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Why the U.S. had to reverse its course in the first place is mystery. It was as if China or Russia designated Hawaii (or Alaska, California... ) as unsovereign territory, only to reverse its course after a complaint that Hawaii (and Alaska, California...) is part of the USA. This back and forth on the most basic issue of what belongs to whom shows a basic, fundamental flaw in Bush's foreign policy. It's as if Bush doesn't know what he wants, what he's doing.
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read between the lines
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USA is the winner from all this b/c now ROK owes USA, although USA didn't do jack. For Koreans: Japan helped Korea modernize as can be seen how Seoul appears before and after the Annexation. The basic infrastructures in the Korean peninsula (roads, banks, schools, post office, etc.) were developed during the colonial period. Note, European powers such as the British had robbed their colonies (India), Germans enslaved theirs (Poland), while Japan had invested in their colonies (Korea, Manchukuo).
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On education
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SouthKorea does not qualify as a democratic state. Dictatorial right-wing governments ran the nation during the cold war, and it was common for corrupt presidents of ROK to be either assassinated or arrested. This legacy continues into the 80-90’s. For much of the second half of the 20th Century, THE STATE CONTROLLED EDUCATION system existed, and remains to this day. For Koreans: Remember that Koreans grew up under a state controlled education. This system taught you to hate Japan despite the prosperity she brought. This is a control factor to hold the nation together and to justify the new, but corrupt and undemocratic, regime…and it still continues to this day. Ask yourself where the hate towards Japan comes from. Comfort woman? Japanization? They are all tools used by the ROK government called propaganda.
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jeansguy
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The poster from Kitakata, Japan was obviosly born and raised in Japan. His opinion on issues on Korea won't count for much with neutral, third-party observers outside Japan. It might not even carry much weight with Japanese-Americans, for they know first hand that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. It was the attitude like the ones expressed by the poster in Kitakata, Japan that was reponsible for the internment of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese-Americans in the U.S.A. Some even supported the internment on the supposition that concentration camps "protected" the Japanese-Americans in the war situation.
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Incorrect
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born and raised in the good all U.S. of A. yo, NYC to be exact...
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jeansgirl
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Incorrect wrote: born and raised in the good all U.S. of A. yo, NYC to be exact... If you are of a Japanese extraction, had you been in the U.S.A., Canada, Mexico, Central America, or South America immediately following the WWII, you would have been rounded up like a cattle and herded to one of many concentration camps. Your logic that justifies Japanese atrocities would have been turned against you, as America would have said to you and all Japanese-Americans that they are being "interned" for their safety, their own good, and for their well being. This is one of many reasons why people like the Honorable Congressman Mike Honda opposes atrocious Japanese polcies against its neighbors. He knows what it's like to be on the receiving end of the hatred. BTW, I don't believe you are an American.
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moo
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I don’t even kno what’s up with your obsession with the internment camp, I’m not even making it an issue. See, you got it all mixed up, it’s the other way around. Most Jps in JP don’t even care about korea, it’s just another country for them. Some might even be sympathizers b/c the leftists run the board of ed here. My personal stance is not the end result of this system, b/c obviously I did not grow up in JP. It’s having been educated in the States which invokes you to challenge the existing paradigm by questioning and digging deeper beyond what you think you may know? You talk of atrocity, but what atrocity? You got it all pumped up in your head to believe there was an atrocity, but can you even name a single one that wasn’t filtered into you thru History channel, Wikipedia, your parents, etc? You don’t even kno where your hatred comes from… Would you still hate JP if it turned out there was no atrocity??? Probably would, right?
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jeansgirl
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moo wrote: I don’t even kno what’s up with your obsession with the internment camp, I’m not even making it an issue...
You talk of atrocity, but what atrocity? Lol... you are next gonna deny you have a small, chisai dick, right? Lol. No one outside Japan will believe your story (and history)...lol. And you don't see the point of the U.S. concentration camps rounding up innocent Japanese-Americans? Had you been in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Central or South America after the WWII, you would have been rounded up to be salted away in the U.S. concentration camp. Surely some of your relatives were rounded up, if your claim that you were born and raised in the U.S.A. is true. The point is: injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, to quote someone famous. Some of the same arguments you put forward to justify Japanese atrocities were the same arguments used to justify Japanese internment.
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your homework
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Isn’t this the same post from your last thread? Injustice anywhere… yea, yea, I got it the first time…
So have you thought about the atrocity? There is no progress here…
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cooldude
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your homework wrote: yea, yea, I got it the first time…
So have you thought about the atrocity? There is no progress here… Yeah, yeah, I know where you are coming from. Some U.S. conservatives are likewise arguing, "so where's the atrocity in the U.S. internment of the Japanese-Americans?" You can deny all you want, but it's gonna come back and bite you. The reverse side of the same coin: one of the most vocal proponents of the internment of the Japanese American civilians during the WWII was a U.S. general who observed first hand the Japanese atrocities in the Philippines. If you reduce yourself to the level of an insect, you can't blame anyone for being steped on.
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take ur head out
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of the kimchi jar,
What r u deaf and dumb?
I’m not making the camp an issue… Did your grandpa accidentally got thrown in there as u seem to keep dwelling on this topic, also being from the west coast? And what’s up with the last half-ass line? You corny ass g**k,
Did u even do ur homework?
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cooldude
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Now are getting the point, albeit slowly. The same so-called "arguments" you've been spewing are the same "arguments" that's used to justify sending the Japanese-Americans to the concentration camp. When the table's turned, the Japanese blood boils. Outside Japan, they get treated the same or worse than they treat foreigners in Japan.
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Sapporo Beer
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I don’t know where u r going with this....
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jeansgirl
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You don't know where I am going with this cuz you have a parochio world view. Japanese don't seem to realize that outside Japan, they suffer all kinds of discrimination and atrocities that they heap upon their neighbors. The same arguments the Japanese use to commit atrocities are the same arguments that others use to commit atrocites against the Japanese.
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jeansgirl
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The reverse side of this argument, of course, is that those Japanese who realize this oppose Japanese atrocites against their neighbors. This goes back to what Plato said in answering the age-old question: Why be moral? It's in your interest to do so.
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Plato
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been there done that.
still kickin it & kno where i stand
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Maryland Blue Crab
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Plato wrote: been there done that.
still kickin it & kno where i stand It's often said that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is justified cuz, among others, it was good for the Japanese. Had the war continued, it would have killed more innocent civilians... women and children...
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what ever
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Maryland Blue Crab wrote: <quoted text>
It's often said that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is justified cuz, among others, it was good for the Japanese. Had the war continued, it would have killed more innocent civilians... women and children... Or for that matter it would have given the japanese more opportunity to rape and plunder its neighbors.
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Judge it!
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