Under Jim Crow laws and the concept of the One Drop Rule!

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The truth is that Boers or Afrikaners (as they are known today) would have been classified as "colored" or "Negro" in the States, because a large number of Dutch families in the old Cape Colony were founded using Khoi (black) and slave (Indian, other blacks from Angola, Madagascar and Malaysian) matriarchs.

The miscegenation of Dutch families, their slave offspring and mixed race groups in the colony continued for nearly 200 years until the British finally put a stop to it all, and introduced strict racial definitions.

Sadly, unlike in the States, the amount of miscegenation was so severe that had they applied the one drop rule, all the Cape Dutch would have been classified non-white. It therefore means that the Afrikaner are a non-white African race and should be treated as such (regardless of subsequent influx of German and French immigrants to the Cape).

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It's generally believed that the Boers (Cape Dutch) left the Cape because of strict land distribution policies and increases in taxes by the British, but in actual fact it had more to do with white/non-white racial dynamics, related to slavery. The Cape Dutch were slave owners but they were also products of slaves (not so hard to understand if you read on the history of slaves and slavery in Africa and the Americas). The fact that they were not considered white by the powers that be, egged them on to leave the Colony. That is what's generally called the Great Trek.
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Jul 20, 2010
 
Oomjislaaik wrote:
It's generally believed that the Boers (Cape Dutch) left the Cape because of strict land distribution policies and increases in taxes by the British, but in actual fact it had more to do with white/non-white racial dynamics, related to slavery. The Cape Dutch were slave owners but they were also products of slaves (not so hard to understand if you read on the history of slaves and slavery in Africa and the Americas). The fact that they were not considered white by the powers that be, egged them on to leave the Colony. That is what's generally called the Great Trek.
That's nice.........

Do you have a link to a reputable source or are you just sucking really hard on your thumb?

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Jul 20, 2010
 
You live in Cape Town hotnot, make your way to the nearest library and open up a book, houtkop.
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Oomjislaaik wrote:
You live in Cape Town hotnot, make your way to the nearest library and open up a book, houtkop.
hahaha

I guess it's the thumb. You are about as white as Julius Malema.

So long troll.........

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Actually anchorman, the level of miscegenation of the Afrikaner has been documented through genetic studies, in fact, we have 4 new genetic studies that are about to be published on the extent of this mongrel race.

The sad truth is, they have more in common with the khoisan than the rest of Europe.

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Arthur Kemp is a South African white supremacist. His fellow white countrymen, called Afrikaners (also known as Boers or The White Tribe), are descendants of South Africa’s earliest European immigrants, including mainly the Dutch, but also French, Germans, and Scottish. What is not so much acknowledged, is that up to 7%(and no less than 5%) of Afrikaner ancestry comes from non-whites. The earliest European settlers in the Dutch Cape Colony were mostly men. Since for the first century there were scarcely any European women available, Dutch colonists resorted to taking Khoikhoi and slave women (West Africans, Malays, and Indians) as concubines, and in many cases as wives. The result was that most colonial born Dutch had a European father and non-white mother. When the mixed-race or “Coloured” females became women, new arrivals to the colony took them as wives or concubines, resulting in the eventual “whitening” of the mixed-race offspring, until they became indistinguishable from white. It was not until up into the 18th century that the sex ratio amongst the settlers improved. By then, much coloured ancestry had entered the “white” Afrikaner genepool.

Arthur Kemp alleges that only 6% of Afrikaners have mixed ancestry. This is a deliberate misinterpretation of the genetic data. It’s 6% of Afrikaner GENES, that are of non-white origin, not 6% of Afrikaner people. The same genetic data Arthur Kemp misinterprets, states that the Afrikaner genepool is 40% Dutch, 40% German, 7% French, and 7% Scottish. Does this mean that the Afrikaner population is composed of 40% Dutch, 40% Germans, 7% Scots, and 7% French? It would sound silly that all these elements represented individual ethnic personages and not genes but according to Arthur Kemp, it is so. But the reality is 6% of over all Afrikaner genes are non-white.

Research by J.A. Heese, who studied the genealogical composition of the Afrikaners looking at the period 1657 – 1867, has concluded that the Afrikaner nation´s ancestry was Dutch 34.8%, German 33.7%, French 13.2%, Non White 6.9%, British 5.2%, Other European nations 2.7%, Unknown 3.5%. GFC de Bruyn used a different form of calculation and his results were: Dutch 34.1%, German 29.2%, French 24.7%, British 0.3%, Other European nations 2.4%, Non European 5.4%, Unknown 3.9%(refer to J.S. Bergh ed., Herdenkingsjaar 1988, RTJ Lombard “Die bydrae van die Franse Hugenote tot Suid-Afrika se bevolkingsamestelling”). That means, the average Afrikaner (including Arthur Kemp himself) gets 5-7% of their ancestry from non-whites.

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Arthur Kemp states that in 1685 a law was passed banning miscegenation with non-whites. The law in question banned intermarriage with slaves, but as with the American South, illicit interracial sex was far from uncommon! The law banned marriages between white settlers and SLAVES. It did not ban marriages with Coloureds and other FREE Persons of Colour. J. A. Heese, in Die Herkoms van die Afrikaner 1657-1867, presented the results of research from parish registers and other sources on the ancestors of the Afrikaners. He found that between 1660 and 1705, 191 of the settlers from Germany married or lived with women who were not pure blood Europeans. Of the women, 114 were born in the Cape (most probably mixed), 29 were Bengalis and 43 were from other Asian regions. He estimated that in 1807, between 7.2 and 10.7 percent of the ancestors of the then living Afrikaner population were Africans and Asians. His figures were perhaps inevitably conservative. It may well be that a tenth of the present Afrikaner population has Indian ancestry.

In some cases dispensations were given allowing interracial marriages. One example is the case of a Khoikhoi or Hottentot woman named Eva-Kroata. A Dutch man named Pieter Van Meerhof, married her and had 5 children with her. All of them in turn married white men. Eva-Kroata is the progenitor of a number of Afrikaner first families. These include the Krugers, Van Riebeecks, Bruyns, Van Rensburgs, Zaimans, and Pelzers, to name a few. Paul Kruger, the great revered Boer hero, is a descendant of Eva through her daughter Petronella Meerhof. Andries Pretorius, the Great Voortrekker leader was himself a descendant of two East Indian slave women, Catharina van Bengale on his mother’s side, and Helena van Malabar on his father’s side. Thus, the entire Pretorius family can trace their ancestry back to these two slave women. These well known interracial marriages, are just a fraction of the non-white blood absorbed into the modern Afrikaner genepool. Ironically, Governor Simon Van Der Stel, who passed the 1685 law, was himself of Coloured stock. He was born in Mauritius to a half-Bengalese mother.

There is also a further factor, colonial South Africa had no “one drop rule” as Arthur Kemp wants the reader to believe. A person that looked white was seen and treated as white, and was considered White by law. In fact even Apartheid did not have a one drop concept. When people were being separated into four “races”, people were divided based on their appearance, skin color, and hair texture, not their ancestry. Government officials measured peoples facial features and skull shapes and applied paper bag and pencil tests, to determine race. If a person passed the skull measurement tests, had skin lighter than a paper bag, and a comb went through their hair with ease, they were classified as “White.”

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Even if a white family was found to have non-white ancestry, despite social dissapproval, that family was still white by law. An example of which, was the case of Sandra Laing. Both her biological parents were white. But she was born with brown skin and frizzly hair, although the rest of her features were European. DNA tests proved that Abraham Laing (the white father) was the biological father of Sandra Laing. The Laing’s ran into trouble when they tried to register her for school, and the government threatened to have the child reclassified as Coloured and separated from the parents. Although Sandra Laing was to be reclassified, her parents were still unquestionably white by law. And because of Sandra Laing, in 1967 a new law was passed, which stated that a child of two white parents was White. In her case, that shows a few Afrikaners had significant levels of non-white ancestry. Although as studies show, the average Afrikaner is 5-7% non-white, which is negligible. Sandra Laing’s parents were amongst the few that had as much as 20% non-white genes, even though they and her brothers look completely white. Today Sandra Laing’s brothers do not speak to her, and refuse to embrace their undeniable African heritage.

As well as the above, under Apartheid there were people changing their racial classification based on their appearance. Some light-skinned Coloureds were successfully reclassified as white under Apartheid. In fact in 1984 according to the South African government, nearly eight hundred South Africans officially crossed the racial lines. Of these, 518 light-skinned Coloureds were reclassified as white. In fact hundreds of Coloureds between 1950 and 1991, reclassified themselves as white every year. This was of course in the best interest of the National Party, which was eager to register more “white” Afrikaans-speaking voters to the voters list. This could explain the high levels of non-white ancestry in Sandra Laing’s parents. These are all facts about Apartheid South Africa which Arthur Kemp neglects to mention in his “March of the Titans“.
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Actually anchorman, the level of miscegenation of the Afrikaner has been documented through genetic studies, in fact, we have 4 new genetic studies that are about to be published on the extent of this mongrel race.
The sad truth is, they have more in common with the khoisan than the rest of Europe.
I'm looking on the internet, and nowhwere can I find that the Boers are mixed with blacks.
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Oomjislaaik wrote:
Actually anchorman, the level of miscegenation of the Afrikaner has been documented through genetic studies, in fact, we have 4 new genetic studies that are about to be published on the extent of this mongrel race.
The sad truth is, they have more in common with the khoisan than the rest of Europe.
Yes, when I see Ernie Els or Charlize Theron I think coloured.

Afrikaaners have an extremely diverse ancestroy. To now state that ALL of them have a percentage of non-white blood in them defies common sense. Sounds like Kemp got it right. Some, a small percentage, will have some mixed blood but that is common knowledge and is no secret. But then so do a number of white Americans. Thomas Jefferson fathered a children with a slave.

And BTW, for your future trolling attempts, I don't know of a single white ESSA that would use the id "Oomjislaaik" I doubt very much that you are in South Africa and I know for sure you are not what you claim.

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You live in Cape Town hotnot, make your way to the nearest library and open up a book, houtkop.
Why don't you reveal your location, you annoying little bigot?
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Oomjislaaik wrote:
The truth is that Boers or Afrikaners (as they are known today) would have been classified as "colored" or "Negro" in the States, because a large number of Dutch families in the old Cape Colony were founded using Khoi (black) and slave (Indian, other blacks from Angola, Madagascar and Malaysian) matriarchs.
The miscegenation of Dutch families, their slave offspring and mixed race groups in the colony continued for nearly 200 years until the British finally put a stop to it all, and introduced strict racial definitions.
Sadly, unlike in the States, the amount of miscegenation was so severe that had they applied the one drop rule, all the Cape Dutch would have been classified non-white. It therefore means that the Afrikaner are a non-white African race and should be treated as such (regardless of subsequent influx of German and French immigrants to the Cape).
I suppose BEE and AA must now apply to all Boers with your shocking revelation that a few Afrikaners have a small percentage of Khoisan DNA from 300 years ago..lol
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Yes, when I see Ernie Els or Charlize Theron I think coloured.
Afrikaaners have an extremely diverse ancestroy. To now state that ALL of them have a percentage of non-white blood in them defies common sense. Sounds like Kemp got it right. Some, a small percentage, will have some mixed blood but that is common knowledge and is no secret. But then so do a number of white Americans. Thomas Jefferson fathered a children with a slave.
And BTW, for your future trolling attempts, I don't know of a single white ESSA that would use the id "Oomjislaaik" I doubt very much that you are in South Africa and I know for sure you are not what you claim.
At least we finally got a troll with an IQ > 77.

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Because phenotype is more important than genotype, mongrel? The differences between the races are not based on outward appearance but genetics (IQ, ingenuity, the ability to foster and sustain civilization). Those who appear white, are not white, when their genetics say otherwise. It's that simple. I do not care if Theron appears white, but if she has recent khoisan heritage (in the last 400 years) then she is a mongrel.

I am a realist when it comes to my racism, not some idealistic dreamer who would like to unite all who appear "white" and continue our sharp decline as a race. At the rate, you are going, we'll be including Jews as white as well (Oh Wait... Afrikaners already consider Jews as white, in fact, many Afrikaners see themselves as members of the lost tribe of Israel, I guess that's why you prostituted yourself during Apartheid, and allowed the Israelis to build everything from nuclear weapons to buildings for you). The genetic makeup of Afrikaners are important, because the khoisan did absolutely nothing for 140 000 years. They created nothing and build nothing. The Afrikaner comes from the same stock, and when you consider their history, it is one that can be at best described as "a failure".
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Oomjislaaik wrote:
Because phenotype is more important than genotype, mongrel? The differences between the races are not based on outward appearance but genetics (IQ, ingenuity, the ability to foster and sustain civilization). Those who appear white, are not white, when their genetics say otherwise. It's that simple. I do not care if Theron appears white, but if she has recent khoisan heritage (in the last 400 years) then she is a mongrel.
I am a realist when it comes to my racism, not some idealistic dreamer who would like to unite all who appear "white" and continue our sharp decline as a race. At the rate, you are going, we'll be including Jews as white as well (Oh Wait... Afrikaners already consider Jews as white, in fact, many Afrikaners see themselves as members of the lost tribe of Israel, I guess that's why you prostituted yourself during Apartheid, and allowed the Israelis to build everything from nuclear weapons to buildings for you). The genetic makeup of Afrikaners are important, because the khoisan did absolutely nothing for 140 000 years. They created nothing and build nothing. The Afrikaner comes from the same stock, and when you consider their history, it is one that can be at best described as "a failure".
WOW!

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Yes, when I see Ernie Els or Charlize Theron I think coloured.
Afrikaaners have an extremely diverse ancestroy. To now state that ALL of them have a percentage of non-white blood in them defies common sense. Sounds like Kemp got it right. Some, a small percentage, will have some mixed blood but that is common knowledge and is no secret. But then so do a number of white Americans. Thomas Jefferson fathered a children with a slave.
And BTW, for your future trolling attempts, I don't know of a single white ESSA that would use the id "Oomjislaaik" I doubt very much that you are in South Africa and I know for sure you are not what you claim.
Why don't you do a genetic test hotnot and post the results on topix? Then, we can all decide whether you're white or not.
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At least we finally got a troll with an IQ > 77.
Naaa........he's just learnt to cut-and-paste (so he's a troll AND a plagiarist). I found the website where he is doing it from and it's not what I would call credible.

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Naaa........he's just learnt to cut-and-paste (so he's a troll AND a plagiarist). I found the website where he is doing it from and it's not what I would call credible.
Probably because I posted the link earlier? You're such a detective hotnot. We're so proud, here's some tik and dop. Go have a party. The white folk are trying to discuss important matters.

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The fact that there exist so few studies on Afrikaner genetics is related to a mongrel non-white group desperately trying to cling to it's "faux whiteness".

www.africandna.com/ScienPapers%5CDeconstructi...

For those interested!

Now, if you were to look at my genetics, as a son of England, do you think I would have khoisan genes?

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