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manxman

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#107
Jul 30, 2012
 
jason45 wrote:
During the 50s 60s and 70s it was a very common punishment for teenage alds on the Isle of Man to be ordered so many strokes of the birch. It was a three foot long bundle of thin switches. In all cases it was inflicted across the bare buttocks.
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that sometimes there were young women from the courthouse present. Does anyone know about this.
Women were not allowed in to watch
manxman

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#108
Jul 30, 2012
 
jason45 wrote:
During the 50s 60s and 70s it was a very common punishment for teenage alds on the Isle of Man to be ordered so many strokes of the birch. It was a three foot long bundle of thin switches. In all cases it was inflicted across the bare buttocks.
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that sometimes there were young women from the courthouse present. Does anyone know about this.
Women present? No Way! And it would be more accurate to call them bundles of rods rather than switches. There were usually four of them. Each one was about three feet six inches in length and the thickness of a senior school cane.They were used across the bare buttocks which is why no women were allowed to watch. In fact, nobody was allowed to watch except the people who were directly involved in carrying out the punishment. Even when a number of youths were convicted together, they were birched in a separate cell.The lads waiting their turn could hear their mates getting birched but they couldn't see them. When it was their turn they were taken into the birching cell for their punishment. Afterwards, the men present were discouraged from talking about the birchings although some did. The lads themselves maybe talked to their mates and sometimes to journalists but usually, they kept quiet about their punishments, probably because they were ashamed. One Manchester lad did show his marks off when he got back to the factory where he worked.There's also the well-known case of four Glasgow lads who talked to the press and had pictures of their backsides splashed over the newspapers. They didn't get much sympathy. In those days, most people were all for the birching of thugs.They still are for that matter.It was the politically correct politicians who stopped corporal punishment and now society has to put up with the consequences on the streets and in the schools.
jason45

Brisbane, Australia

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#109
Oct 31, 2012
 
lisa wrote:
the boys could be anything from early teens to early twenties. Often parents would accompany their sons to court and I would have to show them where to wait and where to go to witness the the caning, which could be a few hours from the actual court hearing. I would escort the parents [or single mother or father] and so get to be present at many canings. There is no doubt that some girls and women derived pleasure from it.
Lisa, were you a policewoman or simply Court house staff?
I had a similar job in the local court house. We did not have this form of punishment but I think it would have been more effective than fines or other forms of punishment. Was it always given across the seat of the pants?
lisa

London, South Africa

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#110
Nov 13, 2012
 
I was amember of the court staff at various courts around the country. It varied. In some centres the boys had to strip naked, some they kept just underpants on, some they kept their shirts on, and less frequently they were caned on their trousers.
Essexman

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#111
Nov 15, 2012
 
Since corporal punishment was outlawed in UK schools, there has been a marked increase in antisocial behaviour. So we are currently persuing a policy that doesn't work. In the days when judicial birching/caning was allowed in England, there was often a long delay because only the Home Secretary could sanction the punishment. My feeling is that the implementation of corporal punishment in the southern US states works fairly there because it's offered as an alternative to detention. In a judicial sense it could be offered as an alternative to a jail term.
I would think that the caning sentences in SA were a two edged punishment. In addition to the physical pain, which must have been awful enough, the sheer humiliation of being caned on the bare bottom, especially with young women present, must have been totally devastating.
I agree with Lisa, that the system was discriminatory, and if it were ever reintroduced (which will never happen in my lifetime), it should be applicable to both sexes.
I well remember the humiliation of having to bend over the teacher's desk for the slipper in my schooldays. Girls weren't punished that way but seemed to get some perverse pleasure of watching boys get it. I believe a few years later, when women were clamouring for equality, girls started to get slippered for misbehaviour. Fiona Phillips famously declared on television that she was bent over a desk and slippered during her schooldays.
Essexman

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#112
Nov 15, 2012
 
I was referring of course to southern US schools. I understand that under US law it is illegal to use physical punishment on someone over 18.
Mason

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#113
Dec 11, 2012
 
Sam, you call them 'rubbish'and 'scum'. What about the guys who were caned for minor offences resulting from normal high spirits? Sure they needed controlling and maybe even caning but guys like that are normal guys, not scum. Ask the average rugby player, footballer, boxer or serviceman about his younger days.You can bet most of them were caned for breaking a few rules. That doesn't make them rubbish, it means they were normal guys who needed to be disciplined and taught where to draw the line. The cane came in useful for that but because a guy is a teenage rebel, it doesn't mean he's scum. A few years down the line,some of these guys were heroes.
jason45

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#114
Dec 17, 2012
 
Lisa wrote:
I worked in a magistrates court during the 70's and 80's. My office was close to where the boys were caned. This happened in the afternoon when the doctor came. The boys had to take off their pants and underpants I watched this a few times out of interest but some staff watched every day. We could not understand why the boys got erections at a time like this. Some police found it very funny but the boys went through terrible pain and embarrassment
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You must have had some interesting experiences during your working life. I know that it was the right of the parents to witness their son being caned or birched, but what was the usual attitude especially mothers, to the cane obviously being forcibly applied to the bare buttocks?
Shazzia

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#115
Jan 2, 2013
 
Chris wrote:
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Lisa I agree with you too. Every civilized country in the world has deemed this to be cruel and unusual punishment. I can never understand when any woman, who are always exempt from this brutality, can support it for men.
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Caning is in humane and barbaric.and what makes it even more unjust is the fact that only men are treated like animals.and women are not subjected to caning .if woman's butt was bared and subjected to this degree of cruelty no woman would support caning.
And I can't understand men who support humiliating and being cruel to other men.cant you see women are laughing at the stupidity of men.
Jessica

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#116
Feb 26, 2013
 
80's-early 90's plenty of females got the cane but in private and only administered by females with a medical exam prior.

Although it was not official, if they found drugs during a home inspection they would outright tell the female to lay down on a bed and proceed to administer from what was mentioned during the trial of officer alberts very hard strokes of a cane.

Surprised many here do not mention the female canings
jason45

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#117
Feb 27, 2013
 
Jessica wrote:
80's-early 90's plenty of females got the cane but in private and only administered by females with a medical exam prior.
Although it was not official, if they found drugs during a home inspection they would outright tell the female to lay down on a bed and proceed to administer from what was mentioned during the trial of officer alberts very hard strokes of a cane.
Surprised many here do not mention the female canings
Perhaps it hasnt been mentioned because nobody knows anything about it. Was this in a women's prison? and how was it administered?

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#118
Mar 2, 2013
 
Jessica wrote:
80's-early 90's plenty of females got the cane but in private and only administered by females with a medical exam prior.
Although it was not official, if they found drugs during a home inspection they would outright tell the female to lay down on a bed and proceed to administer from what was mentioned during the trial of officer alberts very hard strokes of a cane.
Surprised many here do not mention the female canings
Jessica, which country are you talking about? As far as I know judicial caning of females was never allowed in South Africa.
Sally

Qrendi, Malta

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#119
Apr 29, 2013
 

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We would have a lot less crime and a lot less crowded prisons if judicial canings were introduced.

Since: Jun 13

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#120
Jun 9, 2013
 
Does anyone know what adult canings were like? I have been reading about South Africa's laws in 1964, when I was visiting. I committed an act that I now realize could have caused me to strip, lie on a bench and be the held down by guards while being whipped on my buttocks with a rattan cane.

On the Internet some years ago I read a Norwegian sailor's narrative of how he was caned during those apartheid days for having sex with a black prostitute. He had to wait several hours in a cell with roaches. Then he was taken to a punishment room, where he was made to undress and lie down on a bench. A couple of guards held him down while he received a number of very painful strokes, six I think.

I can't find that narrative now, but I'm researching corporal punishment in South Africa and I would appreciate any information.
David 231

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#121
Aug 5, 2013
 
During the Apartheid days, caning for breaching the so-called morality laws was common. White guys with black girls, colored guys with white girls etc. In some cases, the couple were in a genuine relationship, or would have been if the law had permitted it.
The Norwegian seaman referred to by Eric was one of many foreign servicemen who fell foul of the rule. They were usually young men, away from home, looking for female company.The girls were not necessarily prostitutes but were regarded as such by the authorities.

Lads with dark skin, maybe colored or Indian, were not allowed into whites only bars.Even when they went ashore with their mates, they were segregated socially and a lot of them ended up in breach of the morality laws. Caning was so frequent that crew members were often warned before going ashore.

That is still the case when seamen go ashore in places like Singapore and Malaysia.Those are two of the countries that still cane for various offences not associated with skin color.

Young foreign men who get into fights, or break the rules in other ways,often find themselves bending over for a caning. A lot of people might think that's better than a gaol sentence.
Steve

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#122
Sep 11, 2013
 
I went for a juditil caning yesterday. I was sentenced to 60 strokes of the ratten. I was ordered to strip and then I was very well secured down on a whiping bent so as my bum was at a perfect hieght. Then the people who had paid to witness my caning were brought in and seated 15 people both men and women. The punishment officer then anounced that I was to recieve 60 full force strokes with no mercy and no warm up. 30 seconds later and the first stroke was applied and the force pushed me forward then evey ten seconds another stroke was applied so for the next ten minutes I went through hell on earth which is a blur. Ten minutes later I was released and my bum felt like there was a football incerted into each buttock. I have been on a high since the best ever experience of my life.
Steve

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#123
Sep 13, 2013
 
I recently had a public juditial caning and after 60 strokes the ajudicator asked the witnesses if I had had enough and one women shouted ball bust the bastard before I knew what was happening a cord had been put around my balls and they were tugged hard through my legs and tied their. Then a girl beat me 16 times as hard as she could only this time the strap was hitting my balls and I can tell you it was excruitiating I was ball busted well and truly.
Michael G

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#125
Dec 8, 2013
 
why doesn't this thread update?
Michael G

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#126
Dec 8, 2013
 
lisa wrote:
you must not think the south african canings were a minor thing. The boys underwent a lot of pain. mostly the first one or two strokes took their breath away but then they would start screaming wildly. The policeman at our court would lay the first four stripes neatly under each other and then put the last two in a cross shape. the buttocks woould be quite swollen at the end of it.
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#127
Apr 7, 2014
 
Being a somewhat naughty child - youth - I had my fair share of canings at school and of course at home - except at home I was required to cut a fresh cane and smooth it off from our dense hedge.
Judicial Canings were much more severe as a wooden "horse" was used to stretch and strap the miscreant down upon. His bare buttocks were usually covered with a thin wet canvas cloth to prevent the obvious diarrhoea from ejecting all over the official delivering the caning or the walls. The number of "Cuts" and thickness of the cane was determined by the magistrate.
If we received 4 "Cuts" in high school - we were required to take a note home explaining what our transgression had been and how many cuts we received - to which my draconian colonialist father would often refute and deliver a further six cuts of his own. Welts would remain for over a week.
UK, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand all applied this form of corporal punishment on youths - except that the Aussie's used to whack the boys across the under part of the finger-tips - hurts like hell or across the palms of the hand - hurts doubley.
It's always been known to being practiced in Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Indonesia and Malaysia.
Under the "peace-loving" Sharia Law most canings are delivered on the bare buttocks - as was the case in police stations back home if miscreants were sentenced to such. The skin would always burst open - revealing really ugly bloody welts which would leave lifelong scarring.These sentences would be commonplace with juvenile delinquents.
Women were never caned under any circumstances. Only in Convent schools were Nun's guilty of whacking girls across their knuckles or upturned finger-tips and bare palms.
Objections by Human Rights groups would constantly bemoans the "cruel and inhumane punishment" which has resulted in most countries and schools outlawing the practice - much to the dissatisfaction of parents and teachers. Children now have the right to report their parents which would result in hefty fines and or imprisonment - with children being placed in protective custody.
I still believe that Corporal punishment is a pretty useful deterrent in preventing petty criminal behaviour.

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