Scientists who said climate change sceptics had been proved wrong...

Oct 29, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Daily Mail

It was hailed as the scientific study that ended the global warming debate once and for all - the research that, in the words of its director, 'proved you should not be a sceptic, at least not any longer'. Professor Richard Muller, of Berkeley University in California, and his colleagues from the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperatures project team ... (more)

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'Recent scientific data and developments reveal that Mother Nature is playing a cruel joke on the promoters of man-made climate fears. The scientific reality is that on virtually every claim -- from A-Z -- the scientific case for man-made climate fears has collapsed'
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As in all of these things there is a pattern that a blind man could see. The BEST data lowers the older values and bumps up the recent records. This is done over and over and over again in the world of AGW promotion. Do they think we are so stupid that we don't notice? Did they really think they could get away with the Hockey Stick that eliminated the Medieval Warm Period which I had heard about since I was a little kid? Do they really think we are going to believe Muller's BEST manipulation? Do they really think we are going to believe all the one way data manipulations of Sea Ice, Glaciers, Polar Bears, Sea Level, Ocean Temperature, Ocean pH, Hurricanes, Tornados, Wildfires, Floods, Droughts...? It's a long list. People are waking up. They aren't believing it anymore. The Little Boy has Cried Wolf too many times and their Emperor is Naked.

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Steve Case wrote:
As in all of these things there is a pattern that a blind man could see. The BEST data lowers the older values and bumps up the recent records. This is done over and over and over again in the world of AGW promotion. Do they think we are so stupid that we don't notice? Did they really think they could get away with the Hockey Stick that eliminated the Medieval Warm Period which I had heard about since I was a little kid? Do they really think we are going to believe Muller's BEST manipulation? Do they really think we are going to believe all the one way data manipulations of Sea Ice, Glaciers, Polar Bears, Sea Level, Ocean Temperature, Ocean pH, Hurricanes, Tornados, Wildfires, Floods, Droughts...?
No! They believe that no matter the evidence folks will deny the facts.
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'Recent scientific data and developments reveal that Mother Nature is playing a cruel joke on the promoters of man-made climate fears. The scientific reality is that on virtually every claim -- from A-Z -- the scientific case for man-made climate fears has collapsed'
http://climatedepot.com/a/13338/Warmists-Now-...
http://earthquake-report.com/2 011/09/25/el-hierro-canary-isl ands-spain-volcanic-risk-alert -increased-to-yellow/

here is some recent data on global warming and how it affects the ocean.
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kal wrote:
<quoted text> http://earthquake-report.com/2011/09/25/el-hi...
here is some recent data on global warming and how it affects the ocean.
sorry 'earthling', I did it wrong again. although some of the report is in a foreign language it is very intresting.

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sorry 'earthling', I did it wrong again. although some of the report is in a foreign language it is very interesting.
Thanks, kal, that really is fascinating stuff.
All the French is translated into English.

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As in all of these things there is a pattern that a blind man could see. The BEST data lowers the older values and bumps up the recent records. This is done over and over and over again in the world of AGW promotion. Do they think we are so stupid that we don't notice? Did they really think they could get away with the Hockey Stick that eliminated the Medieval Warm Period which I had heard about since I was a little kid? Do they really think we are going to believe Muller's BEST manipulation? Do they really think we are going to believe all the one way data manipulations of Sea Ice, Glaciers, Polar Bears, Sea Level, Ocean Temperature, Ocean pH, Hurricanes, Tornados, Wildfires, Floods, Droughts...? It's a long list. People are waking up. They aren't believing it anymore. The Little Boy has Cried Wolf too many times and their Emperor is Naked.
Peer review should show this study up for what it really is, but in this day and age, it's hard to know whether or not peer review is useful.
If it works as well as the recent internal reviews did, the study will be hailed as the the new bible.

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Right... I see nothing on my point of the graph being skewed in order to show any warming.

The earth has gone through cycles of warming and cooling for millions of years. The GW advocates are claiming that we are causing the earth temperature to rise. They show us a graph with this massive incline but it's deliberately stretched across only one or two degrees. On a grand scale this 'mountain' hardly shows up as a molehill.

Then where it actually shows warming may be coming to a standstill, pseudo-sceptics like Muller claim it's worse than ever. It's simply not worse and that despite carbon emissions being on the increasing. Something else may be happening here.

To convince us they are right they use icebergs melting in the Atlantic as evidence. The last I heard these break off from the polar ice caps and then drift off. Unless they are undergoing spot heating it's absurd to blame GW. Some other mechanism is causing them to break apart.

Notice as their predictions don't come true they are now shifting the focus from global warming to climate change because as we all know the climate will change. Not the original goal post, charlatans.

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<quoted text>Peer review should show this study up for what it really is, but in this day and age, it's hard to know whether or not peer review is useful.
If it works as well as the recent internal reviews did, the study will be hailed as the the new bible.
Watts had famously promised “I’m prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.“

Professor Muller reported that his group’s preliminary results find a global warming trend “very similar to that reported by the prior groups.”

Now we see Anthony going back on his word. The old flipper flopper.
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Right... I see nothing on my point of the graph being skewed in order to show any warming.
The earth has gone through cycles of warming and cooling for millions of years. The GW advocates are claiming that we are causing the earth temperature to rise. They show us a graph with this massive incline but it's deliberately stretched across only one or two degrees. On a grand scale this 'mountain' hardly shows up as a molehill.
Then where it actually shows warming may be coming to a standstill, pseudo-sceptics like Muller claim it's worse than ever. It's simply not worse and that despite carbon emissions being on the increasing. Something else may be happening here.
To convince us they are right they use icebergs melting in the Atlantic as evidence. The last I heard these break off from the polar ice caps and then drift off. Unless they are undergoing spot heating it's absurd to blame GW. Some other mechanism is causing them to break apart.
Notice as their predictions don't come true they are now shifting the focus from global warming to climate change because as we all know the climate will change. Not the original goal post, charlatans.
Your monolog announces your denier bias. Despite your use of words like graph, mechanism, you don't understand their use in science because you are also sans science like Earthling-1. Again like that poster, you are a name caller and a ranter.

The climate science has progressed to such a level that it now gets fed by satellite data, world wide instrument measurements, mathematical modeling, etc. Your demand for this and that has no place in the way science proceeds or is reported.

Get used to the progress in climate science.
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http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307...

Planet Earth: An illustrated history

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SpaceBlues wrote:
http://www.time.com/time/photo gallery/0,29307,1859243,00.htm l
Planet Earth: An illustrated history
Isn't she such a wonderful place? We should want to take care of her.

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Isn't she such a wonderful place? We should want to take care of her.
Why, she doesn't give a shit about us?
https://www.google.com/search...
And:
https://www.google.com/search...

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<quoted text>Why, she doesn't give a shit about us?
https://www.google.com/search...
And:
https://www.google.com/search...
She is just protecting herself as we suck oil out of her and cause the ocean floor to subside and cause earthquakes.. We burn fossil fuel and put all that particulate matter in the air and cause severe storms with hail and tornadoes. We heat up the globe and cause the fires in Texas. She tries to cool us off with massive snow storms. Then there is those awful windmills slowing down her breathing by obstructing the wind. If we keep pumping the oil out of her, her bearings are going dry and she will come to a grinding halt as they fail. Cant blame her.
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He [Muller] is NOT strengthening it. He has subverted it but keep on hoping. End. Of. Story.
Honesty looks like subversion to you. You know why you are so upset with Muller; he did his science and reported to the world.
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Right...
The earth has gone through cycles of warming and cooling for millions of years. The GW advocates are claiming that we are causing the earth temperature to rise. They show us a graph with this massive incline but it's deliberately stretched across only one or two degrees. On a grand scale this 'mountain' hardly shows up as a molehill.
.. Not the original goal post, charlatans.
See those cycles in this graph.. over 500 million years..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

You are angry with science, aren't you?

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Watts had famously promised “I’m prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.“
Professor Muller reported that his group’s preliminary results find a global warming trend “very similar to that reported by the prior groups.”
Now we see Anthony going back on his word. The old flipper flopper.
Result being the data, not the opinion of one "scientist".
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<quoted text>Your monolog announces your denier bias. Despite your use of words like graph, mechanism, you don't understand their use in science because you are also sans science like Earthling-1. Again like that poster, you are a name caller and a ranter.
Yeah whatever. Keep looking at the data with blinders on. Science has to accept whatever maths proves. What I understand is maths and in maths if your results lie mostly below your line you're overestimating. Go back and look at that graph YOU posted after you remove those blinders. And your insults don't phase me.
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Get used to the progress in climate science.
I am thanks. So far it looks like it will prove the global warming moaners wrong.
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<quoted text>Honesty looks like subversion to you. You know why you are so upset with Muller; he did his science and reported to the world.
And subverted proper peer-review. Well done for that "reporting to the world".
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<quoted text>See those cycles in this graph.. over 500 million years..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
And your point? You're only strengthening mine.

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<quoted text>Honesty looks like subversion to you. You know why you are so upset with Muller; he did his science and reported to the world.
Oh my, only saw this one now. HE SUBVERTED THE PEER-REVIEW PROCESS!!!

Do you even know what peer-review is and how it works? Here is a basic rundown:
1. Data gets collected and/or a conclusion or theory gets drawn up by someone on something.
2. This gets sent to selected "peer-reviewers" that examines the data to see if it followed the correct data collection methodology and if the conclusion or theory can be logically be drawn.
3. Any errors like incomplete/inaccurate data or the wrong methodology and logical errors in the conclusion or theory gets sent back with the reviewer either accepting the work or rejecting it.

An editor then publishes it or not based on these reviews or publishes it with corrections by the author. Publishing it does not mean it's correct and unbiased journals will publish regardless of the correctness unless something is really flawed.

Only then will the broader public get to see it and get a chance to comment themselves. Nothing in this process prevents honesty and full disclosure after its completion. By subverting it it means automatic rejection by some journals and some reviewers are not allowed to comment. So yes, as I say a very honest man indeed that subverts a process that could have shown his conclusion as incorrect based on the data.

If the results proved something the other way and Curry leaked it to the media YOU would be singing the same tune as me. Your bias just keeps you from admitting he subverted it.

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PromZA wrote:
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Result being the data, not the opinion of one "scientist".
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Yeah whatever. Keep looking at the data with blinders on. Science has to accept whatever maths proves. What I understand is maths and in maths if your results lie mostly below your line you're overestimating. Go back and look at that graph YOU posted after you remove those blinders. And your insults don't phase me.
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I am thanks. So far it looks like it will prove the global warming moaners wrong.
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And subverted proper peer-review. Well done for that "reporting to the world".
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And your point? You're only strengthening mine.
My, but you are upset. The deniers accept, without question, much more tenuous studies if it suits their agenda. The deniers bombard us with an unending array of garbage, yet seem offended when a single legitimate study brings them to task. Accept the fact that the BEST study supports the science of global warming.
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My, but you are upset. The deniers accept, without question, much more tenuous studies if it suits their agenda. The deniers bombard us with an unending array of garbage, yet seem offended when a single legitimate study brings them to task. Accept the fact that the BEST study supports the science of global warming.
Hey BOZO, What "science of global warming" is there?

Is there EVEN ONE Law of Science or EVEN ONE Measurement to support the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect"?

Why don't you POST:

- Even ONE Law of Science that supports the Fantasy "Greenhouse Effect?
- Even ONE Measurement, EVER DONE, that shows that a Colder Atmosphere can HEAT UP a Warmer Earth?

You and the rest of your Cult have been asked to do this hundreds of times and what have you Posted?

Nothing, Nada, ZIP!
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Perhaps you should stop running from the Truth and explain why you continually make silly claims about the "science of global warming" when it obviously does not exist.

Come on, take a "little baby step" towards mental recovery and tell us why you continually lie about there being a fantasy "science of global warming".

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