Scientists who said climate change sceptics had been proved wrong...

Oct 29, 2011 Full story: Daily Mail 73

It was hailed as the scientific study that ended the global warming debate once and for all - the research that, in the words of its director, 'proved you should not be a sceptic, at least not any longer'. Professor Richard Muller, of Berkeley University in California, and his colleagues from the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperatures project team ... (more)

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#21 Oct 30, 2011
Fun Facts wrote:
Really? You mean that what causes cooling doesn't cause warming?
So what factors caused the LIA cooling?
He's not sure, unsurprisingly.
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Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#22 Oct 30, 2011
GoodNewz wrote:
Curry is unhinged? she is one of the bloody authors, dimsdale!
"Prof Curry is a distinguished climate researcher with more than 30 years experience and the second named co-author of the BEST projectís four research papers."
Please don't expect Fuggy to take simple facts like that into consideration.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#23 Oct 30, 2011
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
So today, a warming of slightly less than two tenths of one degree in 15 years is considered significant.
NASA records indicate a .11* increase in the last 15 years. Just more than one tenth of one degree.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_...
Do you really want to pay more for your energy based on the fact that it has warmed up less than two tenths of a degree in 15 years?
Ice caps and glaciers have started melting. Seasons are changing. The frequency of floods, heat waves and droughts have increased.

And warming goes on.

Deniers can only offer the pathetic "small numbers can't mean anything argument".

We can see they do.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24 Oct 30, 2011
GoodNewz wrote:
<quoted text>
curry is unhinged? she is one of the bloody authors, dimsdale!
"Prof Curry is a distinguished climate researcher with more than 30 years experience and the second named co-author of the BEST projectís four research papers."
She's the one who has decided the study proves something it obviously can't: that global warning has stopped.

With that argument she has abandoned science and joined the charlatans.

Don't forget the charlatans told us the globe was cooling since 1998, sea level rise stopped in 2006, and Arctic sea ice was recovering since 2007- all of which fell by the wayside.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#25 Oct 30, 2011
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? You mean that what causes cooling doesn't cause warming?
So what factors caused the LIA cooling?
RTFL.
plume drecker

Bayonne, NJ

#27 Nov 5, 2011
it IS ALL THOSE PESKY PENGUIN'S FAULT. THEY BE TUNNELING THROUGH the EARTH'S CENTER with their ATOMIC HEAT RAY GUN'S.TO THE NORTH POLE FOR A SNEAK ATTACK on their FOES the POLAR BEAR'S. it is A LITTLE UNKNOWN FACT that the PENGUIN'S and POLAR BEAR'S are in a war FOR CONTROLL OF EARTHS ICE CUBE TRADE. BEWARE!!!!!
Patriot AKA Bozo

Wichita, KS

#28 Nov 5, 2011
plume drecker wrote:
it IS ALL THOSE PESKY PENGUIN'S FAULT. THEY BE TUNNELING THROUGH the EARTH'S CENTER with their ATOMIC HEAT RAY GUN'S.TO THE NORTH POLE FOR A SNEAK ATTACK on their FOES the POLAR BEAR'S. it is A LITTLE UNKNOWN FACT that the PENGUIN'S and POLAR BEAR'S are in a war FOR CONTROLL OF EARTHS ICE CUBE TRADE. BEWARE!!!!!
It is a little known fact that penguins fly. I have seen this on U-tube so I know it is factual! They actually have been found to fly across vast oceans, thousands of miles. They don't actually tunnel through the earth. That is just a fabricated rumor.

Since: Nov 11

South Africa

#29 Nov 5, 2011
Fair Game wrote:
Real sceptics like Muller acknowledge when the facts are against them. People like Curry who have made some strange psychological commitment to disbelief are not persuaded by the facts.
The claim that the BEST results prove that AGW has stopped is unhinged, as is Curry. The Mail simply posts any old rubbish entirely unsceptically as usual.
Real sceptics are the ones like Curry who did the study probably expecting to find a warming trend but then report the real facts.

Muller is nothing but a bogus sceptic. Finally there was a real study showing the opposite of what all the global warming proponents have been spreading despite them not being able to prove it. Not just that but it was considered the most comprehensive study yet even before its inception so would have carried great weight any way it pointed to.

Muller sabotaged the whole peer review process when he leaked the results. Now we are back to square one. It also just proves again that peer review is useless when it comes to truth.
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
She's the one who has decided the study proves something it obviously can't: that global warning has stopped.
With that argument she has abandoned science and joined the charlatans.
She has? When? Where? Her own words: "There is no scientific basis for saying that warming hasn't stopped,"

That sounds a lot different from saying it has stopped. The charlatans are the ones like Muller that misrepresents the data. Curry is a distinguished scientists and reporting the truth of the data will not change that fact.

On the basis of this study other scientists that rejected sceptic claims are now actually starting to address them. That should tell you something or are you going to remain a closed minded bogus sceptic forever?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#30 Nov 5, 2011
PromZA wrote:
<quoted text>
Real sceptics are the ones like Curry who did the study probably expecting to find a warming trend but then report the real facts.
Muller is nothing but a bogus sceptic. Finally there was a real study showing the opposite of what all the global warming proponents have been spreading despite them not being able to prove it. Not just that but it was considered the most comprehensive study yet even before its inception so would have carried great weight any way it pointed to.
Muller sabotaged the whole peer review process when he leaked the results. Now we are back to square one. It also just proves again that peer review is useless when it comes to truth.
<quoted text>
She has? When? Where? Her own words: "There is no scientific basis for saying that warming hasn't stopped,"
That sounds a lot different from saying it has stopped. The charlatans are the ones like Muller that misrepresents the data. Curry is a distinguished scientists and reporting the truth of the data will not change that fact.
On the basis of this study other scientists that rejected sceptic claims are now actually starting to address them. That should tell you something or are you going to remain a closed minded bogus sceptic forever?
Curry signed on the study papers and is playing some kind of politics. Time will tell.. yet..:)

"Richard Muller, a prominent physicist and a leading skeptic of global warming, received $600,000 ó a quarter of it from the ultra-right-wing Charles Koch Foundation, a generous giver to the tea party and big-time corporate producers of greenhouse gases ó to show that the overwhelming consensus of mainstream scientists on the subject is wrong.

What he found instead is that they are right. Temperatures are rising, he concluded. He said greenhouse gases could have a disastrous impact, and although he didnít specify a cause of climate change, he said that it made sense to reduce carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. To add insult to injury for the head-in-the-sand crowd, he reported his findings on the opinion pages of The Wall Street Journal, a haven for corporate interests who doubt or deny global warming.

This wonít end the debate, of course. Global warming skeptics follow the familiar conservative tactic of simply saying whatever they want to believe ó or want others to believe. If challenged with facts, they just repeat their phony assertions. Still, itís warming to hear from one honest man."

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...

You might enjoy this one:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Skeptics...
Al Liar

Seattle, WA

#31 Nov 5, 2011
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Curry signed on the study papers and is playing some kind of politics. Time will tell.. yet..:)
"Richard Muller, a prominent physicist and a leading skeptic of global warming, received $600,000 ó a quarter of it from the ultra-right-wing Charles Koch Foundation, a generous giver to the tea party and big-time corporate producers of greenhouse gases ó to show that the overwhelming consensus of mainstream scientists on the subject is wrong.
What he found instead is that they are right. Temperatures are rising, he concluded. He said greenhouse gases could have a disastrous impact, and although he didnít specify a cause of climate change, he said that it made sense to reduce carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. To add insult to injury for the head-in-the-sand crowd, he reported his findings on the opinion pages of The Wall Street Journal, a haven for corporate interests who doubt or deny global warming.
This wonít end the debate, of course. Global warming skeptics follow the familiar conservative tactic of simply saying whatever they want to believe ó or want others to believe. If challenged with facts, they just repeat their phony assertions. Still, itís warming to hear from one honest man."
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...
You might enjoy this one:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Skeptics...
We need to feel sorry for the mentally retarded. They actually beleieve the government. They FALL for the gloBULL warning LIES.

GloBULL warming DOES NOT EXIST. Feel sorrow for the mentally ill golBULL warming morons.

Since: Nov 11

South Africa

#32 Nov 5, 2011
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Curry signed on the study papers and is playing some kind of politics. Time will tell.. yet..:)
"Richard Muller, a prominent physicist and a leading skeptic of global warming, received $600,000 ó a quarter of it from the ultra-right-wing Charles Koch Foundation, a generous giver to the tea party and big-time corporate producers of greenhouse gases ó to show that the overwhelming consensus of mainstream scientists on the subject is wrong.
What he found instead is that they are right. Temperatures are rising, he concluded. He said greenhouse gases could have a disastrous impact, and although he didnít specify a cause of climate change, he said that it made sense to reduce carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. To add insult to injury for the head-in-the-sand crowd, he reported his findings on the opinion pages of The Wall Street Journal, a haven for corporate interests who doubt or deny global warming.
This wonít end the debate, of course. Global warming skeptics follow the familiar conservative tactic of simply saying whatever they want to believe ó or want others to believe. If challenged with facts, they just repeat their phony assertions. Still, itís warming to hear from one honest man."
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...
You might enjoy this one:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Skeptics...
He found no such thing. FACT: The data does NOT show the global warming proponents to be right. His conclusion is opposite to the data. Is that how you define an honest man? Omw.(¨_¨)

Do I need to remind you that the graph showing a standstill was published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation?

The only politics Curry is playing here are the ones she was dragged into by Muller. He subverted the peer review process.

As for the insult against real sceptics, just proves you have no logical argument against the facts as presented.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#33 Nov 5, 2011
Al Liar wrote:
<quoted text>
We need to feel sorry for the mentally retarded. They actually beleieve[sic] the government. They FALL for the gloBULL[sic] warning[sic] LIES.
GloBULL[sic] warming DOES NOT EXIST. Feel sorrow for the mentally ill golBULL[sic] warming morons.
Excellent exchange with proper English..

NOT!!
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34 Nov 5, 2011
PromZA wrote:
<quoted text>
He found no such thing..
Are you in the BEST team? because then you should know better..:(
PromZA wrote:
<quoted text>
FACT: The data does NOT show the global warming proponents to be right. His conclusion is opposite to the data. Is that how you define an honest man? Omw.(¨_¨).
FACT: Both right and conservative. Muller conclusions give higher confidence level to the ACC results. Global warming is true and accelerating!

An honest man, yes, indeed...:-)
PromZA wrote:
<quoted text>Do I need to remind you that the graph showing a standstill was published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation?
So what!
PromZA wrote:
<quoted text>
The only politics Curry is playing here are the ones she was dragged into by Muller. He subverted the peer review process.
Listen, PromZA, are you saying Curry is a slave of RM?

As to the peer review process, RM is strengthening the watered down version. All power to him; he'll be winning, I hope.
PromZA wrote:
<quoted text>
As for the insult against real sceptics, just proves you have no logical argument against the facts as presented.
Actually, you are puzzling to say the least.

Don't worry, be happy. They are all big boys and girls. They can handle this.

Since: Nov 11

South Africa

#36 Nov 5, 2011
SpaceBlues wrote:
Are you in the BEST team? because then you should know better..:(
Are YOU? Actually nobody needs to be as the data is freely available.
SpaceBlues wrote:
FACT: Both right and conservative. Muller conclusions give higher confidence level to the ACC results. Global warming is true and accelerating!
An honest man, yes, indeed...:-)
He's NOT right. His only defense when confronted with the contradiction from his conclusion with the results was that his claim isn't misleading because the data was made available.
Yes an honest man indeed...(¨_¨)
Your claim that it's accelerating does not correlate with the data, just like Muller's claim.
SpaceBlues wrote:
Listen, PromZA, are you saying Curry is a slave of RM?
As to the peer review process, RM is strengthening the watered down version. All power to him; he'll be winning, I hope.
A slave to him? OMW.

He is NOT strengthening it. He has subverted it but keep on hoping. End. Of. Story.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#37 Nov 6, 2011
PromZA wrote:
<quoted text>
He found no such thing. FACT: The data does NOT show the global warming proponents to be right.
I think you need some new glasses.

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/UC_Berkley...
Do I need to remind you that the graph showing a standstill was published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation?
That graph was a short time period influenced by a data point at the end of the series were only 47 out of 14488 stations had reported their data.

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/tre...

Take out that data point and even that short period shows warming.

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/tre...

The foolishness of looking only at that short period is illustrated here:

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/11/roseg...

Since: Nov 11

South Africa

#38 Nov 6, 2011
Fair Game wrote:
That graph was a short time period influenced by a data point at the end of the series were only 47 out of 14488 stations had reported their data.
10 years is anything but a short time period.
Fair Game wrote:
Take out that data point and even that short period shows warming.
http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/tre...
Take a closer look at that graph. There's some strange below average spikes earlier on and towards the end most of it seems to fall below the supposed warming incline. I'm afraid I am not the one that needs glasses my friend.
Fair Game wrote:
The foolishness of looking only at that short period is illustrated here:
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/11/roseg...
The foolishness is saying nothing we are doing is helping to stop "global warming" when the results of the last decade does not show any statistically significant increase or decrease. Indeed if we can't stop it the question should be if we are indeed causing it. That has never been answered satisfactorily while the earth has undergone global warming and cooling cycles for millions of years.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#39 Nov 6, 2011
PromZA wrote:
<quoted text>
10 years is anything but a short time period.
<quoted text>
Take a closer look at that graph. There's some strange below average spikes earlier on and towards the end most of it seems to fall below the supposed warming incline. I'm afraid I am not the one that needs glasses my friend.
<quoted text>
The foolishness is saying nothing we are doing is helping to stop "global warming" when the results of the last decade does not show any statistically significant increase or decrease. Indeed if we can't stop it the question should be if we are indeed causing it. That has never been answered satisfactorily while the earth has undergone global warming and cooling cycles for millions of years.
Thanks for your helpful input, I'm really surprised that you haven't been called a heretic yet.
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Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#40 Nov 6, 2011
PromZA wrote:
<quoted text>
10 years is anything but a short time period.
It depends on the variability in the data. In the temperature data, it's a short period. The variability in the data could be greater than the signal, ie the temperature rise due to global warming.

http://www.fool-me-once.com/2010/07/global-wa...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#41 Nov 6, 2011
PromZA wrote:
The foolishness is saying nothing we are doing is helping to stop "global warming" when the results of the last decade does not show any statistically significant increase or decrease.
How "sceptics" see global warming:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Skeptics...

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#42 Nov 6, 2011
FuGyou wrote:
How "sceptics" see global warming:
That's a scepticalseance sick joke and you probably believe it.
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2nd time of posting.

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