Somalia Takes Teaching to the Extreme

Oct 4, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Inter Press Service

Islamic studies curriculum in Somalia's schools is a radical form of Islam that analysts say is contributing to the growing militancy of the country's youth.

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Magnus Cerebrum

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We also thank the funding from Saudi petrodollars. We are able to teach and spread our violent language at these madrasas, mosques and into homes globally
Hi Voodo , you're a still vehemently denying the wests inception and deep involvement within Al-qaeda and putting the blame solely on the Saudis when you know that Al-qaeda was a joint operation of both CIA and the Saudi secret service , why are you protecting the Americans ? are they paying you with their spoils of war or is your irrational hatred for muslims motivating you to expose the crime of the saudis while conceaing the crimes of the west , which one is it ?.

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<quoted text> Hi Voodo , you're a still vehemently denying the wests inception and deep involvement within Al-qaeda and putting the blame solely on the Saudis when you know that Al-qaeda was a joint operation of both CIA and the Saudi secret service , why are you protecting the Americans ? are they paying you with their spoils of war or is your irrational hatred for muslims motivating you to expose the crime of the saudis while conceaing the crimes of the west , which one is it ?.
Number 1. I am NOT Voodoo. & Number 2. You have to understand our petrodollar funded mosques and madrasas globally, have little choice but to propagate the holiness of Saudi ideology and its foreign policy. Nothing to do with the West!
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<quoted text>Number 1. I am NOT Voodoo. & Number 2. You have to understand our petrodollar funded mosques and madrasas globally, have little choice but to propagate the holiness of Saudi ideology and its foreign policy. Nothing to do with the West!
Well robin cook former UK foreign secretary will this agree with you , heres a quote from good ol rob-

"Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan."

Heres a video of former US secretary hillary clinton admitting they created al qaeda , enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

hillary clinton admitting USA created al qaeda -

http://nsnbc.me/2013/06/01/hillary-clinton-we...

Do you still believe the west didn't created al qaeda after the seeing the evidence i presented to you ? the innocent west couldn't have funded big bad terrorists , could they , loool talk about denial ahaha.
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Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
This problem is not isolated to Somalis students in Somalia. Over 90% of young Somalis educated by madrassas in the West, do attend these Wahabi schools and that is why Alshabab finds it easy to recruit them.
So your're saying Somali students in the West are more likely to be substantially influenced by Alshabab, rather than those in Somalia? Justify your reasons if I'm wrong.
Indeed, the mainstream press have painted Somalia with the broad-brush catchphrases “anarchic,”“lawless,” and “chaotic.” But does not give Alshabab permission to recruit 'alleged' students. Regardless of where they are in the world.

So for you conclude Somali to be using the youth for 'extreme' purposes; is rather just a vague notion.
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So your're saying Somali students in the West are more likely to be substantially influenced by Alshabab, rather than those in Somalia? Justify your reasons if I'm wrong.
Indeed, the mainstream press have painted Somalia with the broad-brush catchphrases “anarchic,”“lawless,” and “chaotic.” But does not give Alshabab permission to recruit 'alleged' students. Regardless of where they are in the world.
So for you conclude Somali to be using the youth for 'extreme' purposes; is rather just a vague notion.
Khadijah

It is the Wahabi theo-fascism ideology that is based on hatred towards all non-Muslims and was inspired from the teachings of Medieval theologian called Ibn Taymiyyah who himself was declared to be a qawarij/terrorist and died in prison in an Islamic jurisdiction. This is what happens in Wahabi mosques and schools across the globe. They attract Somalis in droves because they are susceptible to violence and these maddrasses and mosques justifies for their violence in a religious context. Just like violent criminals who are converted in the jail system.

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Do you think these kids in their schools and their parents in Wahabi mosques are taught tolerance and the false Islamic catchphrase "Islam is Peace"? By the time they are teenagers, they have been brainwashed to become ticking bombs.
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Khadijah
It is the Wahabi theo-fascism ideology that is based on hatred towards all non-Muslims and was inspired from the teachings of Medieval theologian called Ibn Taymiyyah who himself was declared to be a qawarij/terrorist and died in prison in an Islamic jurisdiction. This is what happens in Wahabi mosques and schools across the globe. They attract Somalis in droves because they are susceptible to violence and these maddrasses and mosques justifies for their violence in a religious context. Just like violent criminals who are converted in the jail system.
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Do you think these kids in their schools and their parents in Wahabi mosques are taught tolerance and the false Islamic catchphrase "Islam is Peace"? By the time they are teenagers, they have been brainwashed to become ticking bombs.
Islam is a religion of moderation and teaches its followers to be moderate in all spheres and walks of life. Being extreme in one way or another would entail going against the pristine teachings of Allah Most High and His beloved Messenger(pbuh).
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<quoted text>They attract Somalis in droves because they are susceptible to violence and these maddrasses and mosques justifies for their violence in a religious context.
There is a wrong perception prevailing in the minds of Non-Muslims, considering Islam as an extremist religion and Muslim as the extremists whereas the reality is totally against. Extremism has no place in Islam. Allah SWT, mentions in the Qur'an that one should not be an extremist:

Allah Most High says in the Quran,“Say: O people of the Book, do not be excessive in your religion.’”(Qur'an, 4:171)

“We made you to be a community of the middle way, so that (with the example of your lives) you might bear witness to the truth before all mankind.”(Qur’an, 2:143)

Let there arise from among you a band of people who invite to righteousness, and enjoin good and forbid evil.”(Qur’an, 3:104)

Going to an extreme means to leave the Sunnah of the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) and define piety for oneself.
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Do you think these kids in their schools and their parents in Wahabi mosques are taught tolerance and the false Islamic catchphrase "Islam is Peace"?
And to answer your question, no I don't believe Wahabi mosques to take the Islamic teachings of the Prophet (pbuh) to an extreme level. In fact, I don't believe it is any mosque at all. Rather, it is the people such as Alshabab who do - organisations such as them is what causes the fallacious media to label Somalia as 'anarchy'. Islam does mean Peace. It's just the actions of certain Muslims in today's society, makes Islam seem rebelliously.
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Oct 6, 2013
 
Khadijah

Have you watched the videos that I posted? These are Salafi Muslims preaching hatred to children and their parents and who were caught red handed with their Islamic Taqiya. Any comments about these Muslims on these videos preaching hatred towards non-Muslims, before you proceed on with, ooooh, non-Muslim misunderstood Islam, bla, bla, bla? Shouldn't this kind of theo-fascism literature be banned teaching children?

In addition to that, there are two revelations of the Koran, one in Mecca and the other in Medina. The Mecca one was when Mohamed started his religion, he was weak and preached tolerance, pacifism, religion isn't compulsory and turn the other cheek if insulted to gain followers and was afraid to be killed by his tribe. The Medina revelations was when he established himself as a religious lord and became powerful, it is aggressive and preached promoting violence. There are more than 100 verses in the Medina revelations where he calls all Muslims to wage war with non-Muslims for the sake of an Islamic rule. Muslim moderates like you use the Mecca revelations, while your fellow Muslims, the salafi terrorists use the Medina version to strike fear at non-Muslims hearts as they were commanded. What a contradiction!!!!

some of the suras revealed to Mohamed in Medina.


Koran 8:12

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Koran 9:5

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Koran 9:29

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,(even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Koran 3:151

"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Koran 4:74

"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Koran 4:76

"Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"


Koran 4:89

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

This suras admonishes moderate Muslims like you.

Koran 4:95

"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"


Koran 9:38-39 "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

So, which revelations (Mecca or Medina) are to be followed by the Muslims?
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And to answer your question, no I don't believe Wahabi mosques to take the Islamic teachings of the Prophet (pbuh) to an extreme level. In fact, I don't believe it is any mosque at all. Rather, it is the people such as Alshabab who do - organisations such as them is what causes the fallacious media to label Somalia as 'anarchy'. Islam does mean Peace. It's just the actions of certain Muslims in today's society, makes Islam seem rebelliously.
I like your response.... very much.
anarchism is good if you ask me, all evil in somalia is because of foreign government interventions

read the best somali scholar on the subject - abdi samatar here

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013...
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Are you even remotely logical? This thread shows a real problem. Education should be secular. If people want to learn about faith, let it be separate from education. Why make schools about Islam if it would only make it harder for the youth to go into science. Fields like Biology will be incomplete since Evolution won't be taught. The Big Bang theory also won't be taught in the field of physics. Who the hell cares what he is? If he was white I wouldn't care. Do you even care, you seem to care more about race and tribe, do you even love you people when you can't even feel for their suffering anymore?
and how does teaching junk science further your argument? Secularism in schools is a mistake made by fools. If you can't acknowledge a creator in any form you don't belong near a school.
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anarchists don't believe in Statism and don't stand for public office, but this bloke, Abdi Samantar is a statist who stood up for the last presidential elections in Somalia. After he lost the elections, he became a hypocrite and doesn't even know any longer, what principles that he stands for and supports. he reminds me of your uncle ali khalif galeyr.
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last post was addressed to anarchist.
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Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
anarchists don't believe in Statism and don't stand for public office, but this bloke, Abdi Samantar is a statist who stood up for the last presidential elections in Somalia. After he lost the elections, he became a hypocrite and doesn't even know any longer, what principles that he stands for and supports. he reminds me of your uncle ali khalif galeyr.
Although you have this one definitely WRONG, you still amaze me how much you know as a non somali

He has a brother Ahmed Samatar, who ran for office, which in anarchist' book makes him not a sophisticated person, this one is ABDI Samatar.

They are both somali professors and hail from MN, my home state, I shook hands with the Abdi he is the more logical person to me.

You are correct khalif galayr is my uncle wink,wink
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Although you have this one definitely WRONG, you still amaze me how much you know as a non somali
He has a brother Ahmed Samatar, who ran for office, which in anarchist' book makes him not a sophisticated person, this one is ABDI Samatar.
They are both somali professors and hail from MN, my home state, I shook hands with the Abdi he is the more logical person to me.
You are correct khalif galayr is my uncle wink,wink
Thanks for the correction, they both look alike, therefore, it is hard and confusing to distinguish one from the other. Does Abdi believe in anarchism?
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Publishes Abdi Samatar
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013...
the guy is statist, he complains about previous interventions in somalia, the evil outcome they produced but then in the same breath, whines for more interventions!
What is this, rihanna and chris brown, he just punched you in the nose and you still going back?
So he is another whiny whinger statist like his brother Ahmed. Why post two similar posts with differing intentions?
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Voodo,

When quoting the Qur'an, you'd have to quote the full verse. But NO, you'd decide that you want to quote half a verse. You know, by doing such thing, you are changing the meaning of the verse. Did you know that?

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Koran 8:12
Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
<quoted text> "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Like I said, this is half the verse.
Half a verse = different meaning

Here is the complete verse that Allah SWT has said:

(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes." (Surah Al-'Anfal verse 12)

Surprisingly, it always happens to be this specific verse of Surah Anfal that catches the attention of Non-Believers. Not only this ayaah, but also the ones you 'half quoted' in your other post. How strange.

Anti-Islamics (like yourself) like to always bring this up and claim that this verse proves that Islam promotes terrorism and that the Qur'an orders Muslims to go and chop people's heads off along with their finger tips.

The fact that Anti-Islamic’s make such claims shows their lack of knowledge on Islam, and that they should really study Islam with an open heart rather than visit anti-Islamic sites, and read anti-Islamic books and believe everything they tell you.

And what I find odd is that you say the Qur'an is a contradiction. Lol. You're clearly the 'walking' contradiction - you and the other Non-Muslims in the world.
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The videos I posted above are so clear about the hared that these Wahabi schools teach and what the Wahabi mosques in the West preach to the Muslims, and yet you refrained to make one single comment in their defence. Is that Islamic Taqiya? They justify and use the koran and hadiths as a source. Any comments?

Given that you posted the whole sura, it just means the same thing, or, you presume it alters it's meaning. It commands Muslims to terrorise non-Muslims because they will not accept Islam.

(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes." (Surah Al-'Anfal verse 12)
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Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
The videos I posted above are so clear about the hared that these Wahabi schools teach and what the Wahabi mosques in the West preach to the Muslims, and yet you refrained to make one single comment in their defence. Is that Islamic Taqiya? They justify and use the koran and hadiths as a source. Any comments?
Given that you posted the whole sura, it just means the same thing, or, you presume it alters it's meaning. It commands Muslims to terrorise non-Muslims because they will not accept Islam.
(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes." (Surah Al-'Anfal verse 12)
(8:12-13) Recall that your Lord inspired the angels: "I am with you; so support those who believed. I will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved. You may strike them above the necks, and you may strike even every finger." This is what they have justly incurred by FIGHTING God and His messenger. For those who fight against God and His messenger, God's retribution is severe.(Qur'an 8:12-13)

The historical context is that this verse was revealed at the Battle of Badr, a battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to destroy the Muslims of Madinah. The Pagans of Makkah had an army of about 1000 while the Muslims were only 300 followers. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his followers had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the city of Makkah. Having fled from Makkah to the safety of Madinah, they found that they were once again threatened.

Other misinterpreted verses of the Qur'an:

Chapter 9 (Surah at-Tawba), verse 36:

“Fight the polytheists all together.”
In reality, this sentence is part of an entire verse in which God talks about the sacredness of four of the twelve months in which fighting is forbidden. Then it says:

“And fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that God is with those who guard (evil).”
Those who like to take this Qur’ãnic verse out of its context conveniently miss out the part “as they fight you all together”. As you see, this verse is also responding to the aggression started by the polytheists against the Muslims; it does not talk about initiating a war.

“Kill them wherever you find them.”
To understand the full context of this verse, read verses 190 to 193 together:

“And fight in the way of God those who are fighting against you, and do not exceed the limits, surely God does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out–persecution is severer than slaughter.
And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque [in Mecca] until they fight with you in it; but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely God is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until there is no persecution and religion should be only for God; but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.”

Islam does not promote Terrorism in any way. These quoted verses of the Qur'an instruct Muslims (at the time of battle) to fight back to those who provoke it I.e the Non-Muslims.
It is in fact the Non-Believers who misinterpret the Qur'an (on purpose) in order to spike 'anger' in the Extremists such as Alshabab....and then label them "Terrorists"...as usual. Therefore, both parties are the terrorists - ask they both reject the commandment of Allah SWT of 'not disrupting the peace' in the first place.
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Khadijah

You are still silent about the videos that I posted above. You are right, they do teach Alshababs ideology because Alshababs believe in Wahabi aka Salafi ideology. These Saudi sponsored schools and mosques that most Somalis in the diaspora attend and their kids are taught need the authorities to investigate them further with the aim of closing them down. Does that mean you tacitly support what they teach and preach? Your silence is admitting guilt.

Secondly, It is a historical myth the Muslims created that they were defending themselves at the battle of Badr. The historical facts by Muslims themselves indicate that Muslims were well known to kill and loot the caravans owned by the Meccans that traded between Mecca and Syria. These were the mitigating factors of the battle of Badr, not Muslim persecution, or self-defence. When the Meccans sent an army to protect their caravans from Muslim raiders without the knowledge of the Muslims, they were attacked by the Muslims to loot their caravans and a consequence, that was the battle of Badr. Some of the Muslims who lived peacefully in Mecca refused to join Mohamed's raids and weren't interested starting an unjust war with the Qureish of Mecca. That is why the sura about the chastising of the Muslim moderates who stayed at home who refused to join the raids was invented by Mohamed. This is what a Muslim historian at that time has to say about the Battle of Badr.

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428

Then the apostle heard that Abu Sufyan was coming from Syria with a large caravan of Qurish, containing their money and merchandise, accompanied by some thirty or forty men… When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said,“This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.”

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424

[A Muslim raider] who had shaved his head, looked down on them [the Meccan caravan], and when they saw him they felt safe and said, "They are pilgrims, you have nothing to fear from them."

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 425

The Muslim raiders] encouraged each other, and decided to kill as many as they could of them and take what they had. Waqid shot Amr bin al-Hadrami with an arrow and killed him...

The ayats about Muslim persecutions were the result of these Muslim raids. There were Muslims in Mecca who lived peacefully and had a treaty of toleration and co-existence with the Qureysh of Mecca. They were free to worship and pray in the Ka3ba without persecution. Since the Meccans lost trust in Mohamed's gang of armed robbers, they banned Muslims from Yathrib aka Medina to make pilgrimage to Mecca. These ayats were coined in medina when Mohamed became a strong warlord and banished the Jews who welcomed him as their guest to Medina. Don't attempt to sugar-coat the historical facts.

Tell me about these videos above? Indeed you are right, they do teach identical to Alshabab's ideology, then isn't it right to close these schools and mosques before they even brainwash further more Somali youth and turn them into killing machines?
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Voodo,

The sole purpose of the Masjid is to teach people of Islam and for the people to Worship Allah SWT there.

Closing down Mosques is ridiculous, and such idea shouldn't even need discussion. Instead, close down the churches that have been standing since the Mediaeval times...yet, no one bothers entering. They're ancient. What is the purpose of abandoned churches?

About the videos you insist I watch. Why should I watch something that I know will probably disparage Islam?
Voodo, when you say I'm denial, don't you think you are? You view Islam is such hatred manner, that I am lost for words..

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