Khat ban ! Somalis loose 13.8 Million pound a year Bussiness

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Magnus Cerebrum

London, UK

#1 Jul 4, 2013
Thanks to theresa may there will now be more welfare recipients in the UK and less Working men ! qat was a multi million pound business dominated by Somalis and Horn Africans in general. this ban just came after the Governments drug advisory ruled out qat was harmless and should not be banned , and she has the nerve to relate khat to extremism lol didn't she know al shabab banned qat too , if anyone is being extreme here its mrs may herself.

Qat will still be smuggled and sold in the UK just like other Class A drugs and it will Effect somali families even worst than before it was banned , just think of how many somali odayaal will be put in prison for possession ? former peaceful qat sellers will turn into savage drug dealers and they will kill eachother over turf trust me , the UK has only opened up another Illegal underground crime syndicate that will be majority somali.

i see this as attack on the somali community and a way to destroy our community further , what are your thoughts on this and how do you think it will effect the somali community in general ?.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23552...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23173985
Bmt

Eskilstuna, Sweden

#2 Jul 4, 2013
Loss of income for kenya mira/khat farmers.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#3 Jul 4, 2013
@Magnus

Khat is our 2nd biggest enemy after Qabiil-politics so the vast majority of the somali community welcome this move with open arms. In fact we where the ones who really campaigned for this ban due to the huge affect khat has on our community. When you start chewing... you become lazy... your teeth go red... you become a drain on family resources... you lose all sense of hygiene... family cohesion becomes non existent... increases chances of devorce... Its also HARAM.
Magnus Cerebrum

London, UK

#4 Jul 4, 2013
Bmt wrote:
Loss of income for kenya mira/khat farmers.
kenya is not the only country that imports qat , Somalis are buy it from kenya and Ethiopia as wholesale and they distrubute it all over Europe and America , so kenyans are not the only losers here we are going to lose just as much as kenyans.
SomaliShabba

Sheffield, UK

#5 Jul 4, 2013
Finally!

Maybe now the lazy somali's can finally get off their ass and spend their time more usefully.
Magnus, you complain about gang and turf wars increasing over the lack of khat, well I see this as a good thing.. if people want to kill themselves over khat then be my guest, they're doing us a favour, and besides have you ever made 1 on dealing khat?
Magnus Cerebrum

London, UK

#6 Jul 4, 2013
you mad bro wrote:
@Magnus
Khat is our 2nd biggest enemy after Qabiil-politics so the vast majority of the somali community welcome this move with open arms. In fact we where the ones who really campaigned for this ban due to the huge affect khat has on our community. When you start chewing... you become lazy... your teeth go red... you become a drain on family resources... you lose all sense of hygiene... family cohesion becomes non existent... increases chances of devorce... Its also HARAM.
Im not saying khat was good and all was dandy ,NO, im saying is alot of Somalis will lose their jobs and income because of this pointless ban , 13.8 million a year was made off of qat in the UK alone sxb think about that.

Alot of former honest hardworking qat sellers will go prison for smuggling and illegally selling it or even worse kill eachother over petty things like you see with other illegal substances in the west.

also alot of somalis will turn to alcohol and other substances to get through the withdrawal symptoms of kathenol. im not being a pessimist but understand were im coming from and think about what will happen when this is fully implemented , will somali crime go up ? will somali benefit recipients double ? will somali drug use become the norm ?
Magnus Cerebrum

London, UK

#7 Jul 4, 2013
SomaliShabba wrote:
Finally!
Maybe now the lazy somali's can finally get off their ass and spend their time more usefully.
Magnus, you complain about gang and turf wars increasing over the lack of khat, well I see this as a good thing.. if people want to kill themselves over khat then be my guest, they're doing us a favour, and besides have you ever made 1 on dealing khat?
NO i have never sold khat in my life but i do know people who sell it and make serious cash out of it ! its a multi million dollar bussiness and people who dont understand that think the ban is good when thousands of somali homes depend on the qat money to survive ! and now they are probably going to end up on welfare or keep selling it and do serious time behind bars.

banning stuff never stops it from coming in it just makes the substance more expensive and puts people in privately owned prisons , which means every somali imprisoned makes the prison owner 50,000 more richer, this whole thing is aimed to cripple the somali community and you guys think its something good hahahah

Since: Aug 12

UK

#8 Jul 4, 2013
Good I say. Eating leaf is a no no in my book.

“turn back the hands of time”

Since: Apr 10

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#9 Jul 4, 2013
the somali Community should send Theresa May a thank you note.
Ruby

Beckenham, UK

#10 Jul 4, 2013
What an outrageous ban!

Criminalising an ancient practice for political reasons.

Her own drug experts advised against this ban. What is the point of hiring medical scientists to look at the evidence, if you're going to go against it anyway.

I can't help but think this ban borders on racism and envy

They can't stand the idea of African farmers independently growing and selling a profitably product without their involvement.

I don't see them banning alcohol, which has a more devastating effect on society

Ridiculous
Sheikh Voodoo

Camberwell, Australia

#11 Jul 4, 2013
Magnus Cerebrum wrote:
Im not saying khat was good and all was dandy ,NO, im saying is alot of Somalis will lose their jobs and income because of this pointless ban , 13.8 million a year was made off of qat in the UK alone sxb think about that.
I see that you are so passionate for the banning of khat because for your own personal use while you are raising a false flag and sheepishly arguing about the loss of business for Somalis. Did you ever attempt to weigh the negative consequences it had on your community? Or, will your cravings for khat under the pretence of loss of income for khat dealers outweigh the negative consequences?
Magnus Cerebrum wrote:
Alot of former honest hardworking qat sellers will go prison for smuggling and illegally selling it or even worse kill eachother over petty things like you see with other illegal substances in the west.
Can't they find any decent and honest businesses to engage or, should they trade on the misery of your community? If it is illegal, then, anyone who engages in illegal stuff should be dealt with, or, they should diversify their business and find in other clean businesses to invest in.

Magnus Cerebrum wrote:
also alot of somalis will turn to alcohol and other substances to get through the withdrawal symptoms of kathenol. im not being a pessimist but understand were im coming from and think about what will happen when this is fully implemented , will somali crime go up ? will somali benefit recipients double ? will somali drug use become the norm ?
Why don't they and you get help for your and their addiction? Where the chewers "hard working men" or addicts on welfare? Don't you think it is a wake-up call for the addicts to do useful and positive things with their lives? This is the silliest, stupidest and most illogical pro khat case I've ever read. In England, khat has destroyed the social fabric of Somali families. Fathers abandoned their families so they could chew khat and live in a illusory kind of a world. If they don't want to get help and detoxify themselves for the benefit of their children, they might as well rot in jail or, become drunks.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#12 Jul 4, 2013
Magnus Cerebrum wrote:
<quoted text>Im not saying khat was good and all was dandy ,NO, im saying is alot of Somalis will lose their jobs and income because of this pointless ban , 13.8 million a year was made off of qat in the UK alone sxb think about that.
Alot of former honest hardworking qat sellers will go prison for smuggling and illegally selling it or even worse kill eachother over petty things like you see with other illegal substances in the west.
also alot of somalis will turn to alcohol and other substances to get through the withdrawal symptoms of kathenol. im not being a pessimist but understand were im coming from and think about what will happen when this is fully implemented , will somali crime go up ? will somali benefit recipients double ? will somali drug use become the norm ?
Your focusing too much on the pros and not enough on the cons sxb and the FACT of the matter is that the cons associated with the khat trade out way the pros.

From the High divorce rate to the mass unemployment in our community; Khat has a BIG share of the blame. There are kids who NEVER even see there own dad because he is out chewing leaves in cave somewhere.

Do you think those people who eat khat fast during the month of Ramadan? Miskeen, the majority of these people don't even pray.

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The khat eaters should reflect upon this verse:

"be not cast by your own hands to ruin; and do good. Lo! Allah loveth the beneficent." (Al-Baqarah:195).

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The Khat sellers and there supporters (no offense) should take heed of these hadiths:

Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet said: A time will come upon the people when one will not care how one gains one's money, legally or illegally.(Bukhari)

It is reported by Jabir that the Prophet said: The flesh and body that is raised on unlawful sustenance shall not enter Paradise. Hell is more deserving to the flesh that grows on one's body out of unlawful sustenance.(Ahmad).

Abu Said related that the Prophet said: The truthful and trustworthy businessman will be in the company of Prophets, saints and martyrs on the Day of Judgment.(Darimi, Tirmidhi)

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Brothers/Sisters if the Negatives of something OUT WAY the Positives then it is incumbent upon us to REJECT it and to remove
that thing from our community.

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"Believers are merely those whose hearts feel wary whenever God is mentioned and whose faith increases when His verses are recited to them. On their Lord do they rely. Those who keep up prayer and spend some of what We have provided them with are truly believers" (Quran 8:2-4).
Freshout

Enfield, UK

#13 Jul 4, 2013
The question here is

- What reasons did they (authorities) have to arrest and search somali men before?

Well now they have one that encompasses almost all somali males...

When a western society is intimidated by the males of a certain community, they will seek ways to criminalise them for easier control and sectioning.

Just ask Jamaicans....
Ruby

Beckenham, UK

#14 Jul 4, 2013
"From the High divorce rate to the mass unemployment in our community; Khat has a BIG share of the blame"

There isn't enough evidence currently available which links Khat use to social harm. Data collected on the Somali community only provide anecdotal and contradictory evidence of khat use and social harm. This is coming from the government's own research and reports.

To argue that Khat use is linked with social harm, you would need data from other immigrant communities living in England. For example the Yemeni community, which is widely believed to consume more khat then the Somali community.

This has nothing to do with religion, and I'm disappointed that anti-Khat campaigners have resorted to the religion card to basically stigmatise sections of our community for using a mild stimulant.

The health risks associated with khat use is low, especially if you compare it to other drugs. Tobacco for example kills around 6 million people world wide each year.

Let's put things into prospective



Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#15 Jul 4, 2013
Ruby wrote:
This has nothing to do with religion, and I'm disappointed that anti-Khat campaigners have resorted to the religion card to basically stigmatise sections of our community for using a mild stimulant.
Why do you insist on calling yourself a Muslim? Islam is a complete way of life... there is no picking and choosing... no mixing and matching... so ether reject it or accept it.

If you choose to accept it then you must submit COMPLETELY to the will of ALLAH Azzawajal because the very word "Muslim" which is an Arabic word means "one who submits to God".

So you see the deen has EVERYTHING to do with what a Muslim does from the way he/she walks, talks, dresses, behaves, responds, feels, thinks, etc. Islam ENCOMPASSES the believer and everything they do is done according to it - If you consider yourself to be a Muslim then the onus is on you to willingly submit to your creator.
thehassanabdi

West Bromwich, UK

#16 Jul 4, 2013
HannaTheOrignal wrote:
Good I say. Eating leaf is a no no in my book.
Neither is smoking it [weed], Now back to your community the AA and educate them!

“Safar Dheer iyo”

Since: Jan 11

Sahay Gaaban

#17 Jul 4, 2013
Khat needs to be banned. We're better of without it. It's ban may be a partial solution for our broken families. A good step to move forward. Let all the Marfishs in Britain be dark like a night.
PuntlandGeezer PIS

London, UK

#18 Jul 4, 2013
It's not fair because khat is a harmless substance compared to shish or alcohol

Alcohol can cause all kinds of damage to your kidneys and Shish gives you lung cancer.
AbsameWeyne

Toronto, Canada

#19 Jul 4, 2013
Anything that is harming to our health and takes time away from families is good to ban.
Ruby

Eastbourne, UK

#20 Jul 5, 2013
"Why do you insist on calling yourself a Muslim?"

because I can :)

Why do you give me long winded explanations on what Islam is and avoid simple questions put to you.

Do you have a problem thinking for yourself?

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