Hawiye people are not Somali

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#107
Nov 26, 2012
 
Stop making a fool out of yourself. Hawiye is 100% Cushitic Nomads.

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#108
Nov 26, 2012
 
zak wrote:
Naah man u don't know anything fack u and your friend. Hawiye are not 100% somali your right they are mixed with bantus thus why they have nappy hair like K'naan. But they still somali! Even ogaden are mixed but mostly somali. And somalis live everywhere in greater somalia. My 100% pure nomad fam lived in the south and there are hawiye and bantu in the north so learn your facts!
Is your friend Mohamud Saleeban from Majerteen. Please keep his study to his girl friend.

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humanist

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Ok let me just refute you people, this is gonna be factual and objective so this im not gonna pic a tribes side. First of all hawiye is a somali tribe all other tribes. Secondly their was no 'sheikh' howiye darod or isaaq , if there was they wernt from Yemen. Also the idea of 'south Somalis' is stupid, first of all u do know that howiye is not just a southern tribe, the mudug area u claim is where howiye live predominantly, so they also live in central and north Somalia. To add to that u do know the 'south' has so much tribes, and u do know that extreme south like kismayo and ras kamboni are darod areas right? And the south western areas are rahanweyne , and the river valleys are Bantu, so u people are just calling urself non Somalis u fools. To add to that no tribe has 'lighter' or darker people than other tribes and the same goes with nappy hair. Last point is there's nothing wrong with being dark or light , or having nappy hair , and Bantu people are no 'less' somali than any of u , and if the 'southern' people look more Bantu than northerners (which they don't) that means they are more assimilating and accepting than u are , and if anything the southerners Somalis are less tribalist and have more sain minds than u people. I've noticed there's not much southerners here , which led me to presume u ppl are from the north and therefore are ignorant of other people. And guess what??? If anyone's more 'arab' that u ppl prize so much , it's the 'southern' people since more Arab people actually settled in there , instead of tribalist folk tails they tell in the north and center . All of these are somali and no way inferior to anyone. And all are beautiful , peace!
Faraax2012

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#110
Dec 3, 2012
 
Ala Man wrote:
the origin of Oromo people is ancient Elamites from modern day Iran.
lol what happened to the Nag Rama nubian/Egyptians origins of the Oromo, now your Semite elamites from Iran so where is your ziggurats no wait next we'll claim to be descants of alexander the great, so much for Oromo nobility and authenticity. welcome to the not so exclusive club in the horn where everyone claims everything but African: the xabasha are yahudis, the Somalis are Arab and the Oromo are Elamites. Pathetic
Faraax2012

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#111
Dec 3, 2012
 
sandulle wrote:
If Hawiye is not Somali who is Somali?
Is an Arab Somali? Can you be an Arab and Somali at the same time? Neh.
So who is Somali? The name of Somali comes from Samaale.
And who ever can his ancestor trace from the leneage from Samaale is Somaali.
Hawiye ancestor is irir and Irir ancestor is Samaale, Hawiye Irir Samaale ( Irir Samaale) is the oldest ancestor known. Hawiye non Somaliis is very much an insult coming from the arab darod clans who lately find out the only real Soomaali people are hawiye whit direct Ancestor of Iirir Samaale
Let get one thing straight Somaal comes from go get milk it only after 1990s did hawiya people came up with this fictious ancestor Irir Somali just as ishaq were dirta waqooyi until they become SL. clan name seem to Change for political expedience. atleast our name and clan has not change for thousand years also Daroods make 2/5 of somali populations so keep dissing darood on the net we won't be losing much sleep over it. as for the piece of shit who made this thread say to a hawiya persons that they are not Somali in real life see what happens to your dumb ass.
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#112
Jan 10, 2013
 
im hawiye. we are the real somalis cause we have afros and we are black while u guys are mixed arabs
ogaden

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the hawiye are related tto oromo and bantu by dna. the darood and issaq have different accents but are still somali.
hawiye 4 lfe

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hawiye are oromos but were still africans and somalis. north somalis are arabs yemenis fake somalis. hawiye conrol kenya ethiopia and south somalia. we claim all the rivers even mogdishu. no wonder its north somalis who say were arab all the time
hawiye 4 lfe

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somalis are related to oromo by blood but since hawiye are the only real somalis they say that. southern somalis have the real somali looking people. northerners mixed with yemenis and omanis thats why they are light skinned. hawiye speak pure somali when northerners speak in somali with arabic mixed with their accent.

people like k,naan made the hawiye proud
hawiye 4 lfe

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firstly somalis are supposed to be black right. then why is it northerners like darod and issaq are light skinned. u speak somali with 90% arabic. u r persian by dna.hawiye in the south own all the camels all the cities all the rivers etc

DAROOD AND ISSAQ ARE ARABIC
NORTHERN SOMALIS ARE MIXED WITH WHITE ARABS NO WONDER THE BOYS OF SOMALILAND LOOK ARAB AND DUBAI-ISH
Pure_Somali_Man

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hawiye 4 lfe wrote:
firstly somalis are supposed to be black right. then why is it northerners like darod and issaq are light skinned. u speak somali with 90% arabic. u r persian by dna.hawiye in the south own all the camels all the cities all the rivers etc
DAROOD AND ISSAQ ARE ARABIC
NORTHERN SOMALIS ARE MIXED WITH WHITE ARABS NO WONDER THE BOYS OF SOMALILAND LOOK ARAB AND DUBAI-ISH
Actually that's how pure Somalis are supposed to look like, idiot! Somalis are in the Afro-Asiatic cultural family and distantly related to North Africans.
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ogaden wrote:
the hawiye are related tto oromo and bantu by dna. the darood and issaq have different accents but are still somali.
What a fool. What you just said is so wrong. Cushitic people have originally NOTHING to do with Bantus nor their culture or origin.

Learn African history before you open your dumb mouth.
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#119
Jan 10, 2013
 
ogaden wrote:
im hawiye. we are the real somalis cause we have afros and we are black while u guys are mixed arabs
if your hawiye then why is your name ogaden. and why would you wanna be those hawiyes that mix with jareers anyway thank god im not those hawiye adoons like abgaal and murusade
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u daroods and issaqs in the north are some lost indians . u guys cant speak pure somali like hawiye and jareer can.
adoon ilahay

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hawiye actually came from kenya and ethiopia.they migrated up to galgaduud. darood and issaq actually migrated from yemen but they cant speak the proper somali they add too much accent and arabic into it

somali is actually another version of oromo developed by the hawiye and somali bantu. somali bantu and hawiye rulez!!!!! ppl like k,naan make us proud.
Lord Ayaanle

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#122
Jan 10, 2013
 
Cilmi wrote:
My friend who studies biology has privately been invastigating Somali genetics to see how genetically homogenous Somalis actually are. He asked some of his Somali friends from various parts of greater Somalia to donate their DNA.
So he analyzed it and found out kind interesting facts: Hawiyes are closer to Oromos than to other Somalis. Also, the purest Somalis according to his test were people from Mudug and Nugaal. They had the highest percentage of Somali blood according to his tests. While Hawiyes have the least and were more Oromo than Somali.
Conclusion: Hawiyes are not Somali. The real Somalis are Northern Nomadic Somalis, while the South ones are Oromos who switched their language.
Fataal reer Mudug ah baad tahay. Majeerteenkii kudhalay waas.

Hawiye is more somali then you.
Miss Hope

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#123
Jan 22, 2013
 
KushTheKid wrote:
Oromos are the original stock of Proto-Cushitic Horners....
The rest of us Ethnic Sahos, Afars, Somalis share a very recent origin and split probably 2-3000 years ago.
The most ethnically homogeneous Somalis are Northerners as that is where the original homeland of Somalis.
The Darrod, Isssaq clans are just two men who in the 12th century who introduced Patriarchal social clans to Somalis, we were a matriarchal culture before then. They don't descend from Arabs. It's just social patriarchal systems that was adopted from Arabs just like Islam.......
as Somalis started expanding south, The original indigenoeus population were Oromos in the juba and Shebelle region. Somalis took over the aera and enslaved some oromos. Alot of Oromos were assimilated into Somalinimo as they were considered brethren and worthy.
Further South into Kenyan border, They were bushmen types who to a small extent adopted Somalinimo.
Clans are BS, they are illegitimate. There is no truth to it.
North Somalia, Ogaden desert has always been >95% Ethnically homogeneous.
South Somali to a small degree has seen Persian/Arab migrants settling on coast with Somalis to produce Reer hamars, Barwanis who are mongrels beetween Somalis, Swahilis, Persians overlapping each other. Bantu Slavery that is now the largest ethnic minority(10% of Somalia) however intermarriages between Somalis were highly uncommon and looked down upon. Oromo assimilation.
However Ethic Somalis are largely homogenoeus as we are endogamous.
Thank you. The reason why, if you look at history, some Hawiye have high Oromo blood is because many Hawiye men during the war with Ethiopia married captured Oromo women and treated them equally as their Somali wives. So for those who have done a study on couple of Hawiye people, those individuals are clearly offspring from this type of mixing.

And why can't Somalis have a decent debate without throwing names around and labelling one and other?? Many of you have a dangerous mindset I have to say and I sincerely feel sorry for your offsprings. You will teach them irrelevant discriminatory junk. This goes for both Hawiye and Darood commentators, shame on you aqhass.

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Qaldaan are maternally xabashi, faqash are descendants of yemeni black slave who was shoethief.
Miss Hope

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#125
Jan 22, 2013
 
KushTheKid wrote:
Oromos are the original stock of Proto-Cushitic Horners....
The rest of us Ethnic Sahos, Afars, Somalis share a very recent origin and split probably 2-3000 years ago.
The most ethnically homogeneous Somalis are Northerners as that is where the original homeland of Somalis.
The Darrod, Isssaq clans are just two men who in the 12th century who introduced Patriarchal social clans to Somalis, we were a matriarchal culture before then. They don't descend from Arabs. It's just social patriarchal systems that was adopted from Arabs just like Islam.......
as Somalis started expanding south, The original indigenoeus population were Oromos in the juba and Shebelle region. Somalis took over the aera and enslaved some oromos. Alot of Oromos were assimilated into Somalinimo as they were considered brethren and worthy.
Further South into Kenyan border, They were bushmen types who to a small extent adopted Somalinimo.
Clans are BS, they are illegitimate. There is no truth to it.
North Somalia, Ogaden desert has always been >95% Ethnically homogeneous.
South Somali to a small degree has seen Persian/Arab migrants settling on coast with Somalis to produce Reer hamars, Barwanis who are mongrels beetween Somalis, Swahilis, Persians overlapping each other. Bantu Slavery that is now the largest ethnic minority(10% of Somalia) however intermarriages between Somalis were highly uncommon and looked down upon. Oromo assimilation.
However Ethic Somalis are largely homogenoeus as we are endogamous.
And by the way, I don't agree with you completely as Hawiye have lived in South for decades before other tribes settled down and can trace their ancestory far better than any others. Therefore, although they have close similarities they are not Oromo. This is just a recycled theory backed up with no concrete evidence, but your overall knowledge of history is not bad but there are strong flaws.
SOmAli HeRO

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#126
Feb 1, 2013
 
HAHAHAH, hawiye are mixed with Bantus. if you are hawiye look at your palm or if you have a freind whos hawiye look his/her palm, how does it look like?
Northern nomadic Somaliland, khaatumo, puntland, ogadenia are real somalis, they all look alike to each other, u can never see any difference, but when i see somali southern Beerooley i figur it out where he/she from just i see his/her face.

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