Haawiiyaas, come in....

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Ibro

Calgary, Canada

#1 May 7, 2011
Asalaama Wa'aalaycum.
I would like to know what you think of the Baabille Oromo. Any of you from that area, being Karaanle? I have another question, whats the meaning of Haawiya in af-soomali, also the names Karaanle, Jambaale, Gurgaate etc...?

If no meanings to those names in Af-soomali, lemme know. I would love to inform you on your Afaan Oromoo names.

another thing, have you seen this?
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/ethiopia/TK7...
The Professor

Mississauga, Canada

#2 May 7, 2011
Are you Yibir?
Jamaac Yare

Doncaster, UK

#3 May 7, 2011
Hawiyas are good people who I respect very much.
Ibro

Calgary, Canada

#4 May 7, 2011
The Professor wrote:
Are you Yibir?
Yibir? No, i am Oromo. I am jarso, but my mom is Oromo "hawiya".
Wondering why people of this clan claim somali.
Abuur eebe

UK

#5 May 8, 2011
Ibro i have seen lots of other posts like this claiming Hawiye and same Dir are from Oromo and even Rendilli and afar saying the same Hawiye is a lost son so let me address you.

If you talk to the Traditional elders of hawiye and Dir, they both will tell you oromo rendille and afar, are the lost children of Samaale. Soomaali people did not came from Oromo or rendilli and Afar, its the other way round you guys are a lost Samaale tribes according to our elders and Traditions.

we can argue all nite either ways, we do have similarities. so let me answer the meaning of the names you posted.

Hawiye in ancient Classic af-Somali means Ambition, Its an old Somali word for Ambition, Just like the word Liban, or Liibaan, which in Af-Soomaali means " be Victorious " but Oromo use this Somali word as a been a " Tribal leader" .

In Somalia especially south somalia, when you help same one or cushitiyou give poor people same money, they thank you " Liban " which means guuleyso " be victorios" so since our languages are almost the same, same words Somali people use is also found Oromo Afar El-molo and rendille.

Gurgaarte is the Father of Madarkicis Hiraab abgaal habargidir duduble etc.

in Classical Somali Gorgarte means " gargaar " which in English it mean " assist ".

Gorgate means the one who helps or assists others.

Most of Oromo Borana are nomadic and mix whit or have a mother from Dir or Hawiye Doesn't matter if its Akisho Dir or karanle hawiye and so on but that doesn't mean you came from us, or we came from you. Same words you found Somali you will find Oromo Rendille afar and El-Moloo but that doesn't mean one is from another rather we do have similarities share same sort of common ancestor.

“Akkami ilman Islamaa?”

Since: Jun 09

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#6 May 8, 2011
Ee boo. Haawiyaan joolee babiile qallodha. Gosa Oromoo haddu maqaa soomali fudataan. Haawiyaan keenyaa, akichu keenya, Ormaa-Wardeey keenya etc.. Ilmaan keenyaa somali waajii jiraan, habashootaan niis. Waani baar, magalaa funyaanbirro keessaa, namma warra bursuug hummee ja'amaan esaaniin somali asli dha. Warra Usmaan fi Warra Umaar Noolee Majerteen somalidhan, isaan oromoonti. Waan siif himee siif galcaa?

“Akkami ilman Islamaa?”

Since: Jun 09

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#7 May 8, 2011
^typo....Galtaa**
cibaar

Birmingham, UK

#8 May 8, 2011
all somali clans are related to each other before any other clans i tried to make more research in order to verify these oromo narations its not true at all yes borana and randille are from somali men and from turkana women of samburu and molo
yes i find af abgaal/banadiri ad af maay are closer to the cushitic languages more in the numbers than the standard af somali from the central/mudug but also af ogadeni have more oromo related vocabulary like galad/galadi thankness or bilad/bilisimo freedom also tha daroods have more animalistic african names like biciid yahan,gari koombe or their subclans wich carry the waaq diety names like siwaaq roon,jid waaq,caabud waaq thouth they orally claim arabic origin wich isnt authentic and reliable story
my theory is we all share cultural and linguistic origins this includes the afars and saho
as for hawiye its arabic word means hamiye ambitionist from arabic hawa/to want some arabs call them hadiye from haadi the migrator or seeker at the time of hawiye expention into marka and deep south
yes hawiye is originated in harrar then moved to central somalia the karanle and rarnle didnt migrate to the central except small numbers most of them live in harrar,moyaale and wajeer and speak afaan oromo as well besides the ajuuraans, dagodia and garre there is full of murursade and duduble while the daroods migrated after them in the borders of kenya and somalia and garisa in NFD whele hawiye are in moyaale and wajeer of NFD

“Somalia Tooso!”

Since: Apr 11

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#9 May 8, 2011
Oh plz shut it !hawiyes dont wanna have anything to do wwith you!fucck we dont even speak the same DAMN lingo!
xanfar

UK

#10 May 8, 2011
Ibro wrote:
Asalaama Wa'aalaycum.
I would like to know what you think of the Baabille Oromo. Any of you from that area, being Karaanle? I have another question, whats the meaning of Haawiya in af-soomali, also the names Karaanle, Jambaale, Gurgaate etc...?
If no meanings to those names in Af-soomali, lemme know. I would love to inform you on your Afaan Oromoo names.
another thing, have you seen this?
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/ethiopia/TK7...
am waiting for the meaning tell me please i'm hawiye i dont know it in somali lol
The Professor

Mississauga, Canada

#11 May 8, 2011
Oromos did live in Somalia before, if some Somalis did come from Oromos I wouldn't be surprise.
Jamaac Yare

Doncaster, UK

#12 May 8, 2011
xanfar wrote:
<quoted text> am waiting for the meaning tell me please i'm hawiye i dont know it in somali lol
Sxb this is all myths, Hawiya are our bothers and they are the same as all somalis
xanfar

UK

#13 May 8, 2011
Jamaac Yare wrote:
<quoted text>
Sxb this is all myths, Hawiya are our bothers and they are the same as all somalis
ofcourse hawiye are somalis i know it but hawiye and oromo do have connection fact and i wanna know more
Amaanle

London, UK

#14 May 9, 2011
Ibro, Most somalis have absolutly no idea about their past pre-islamic history. Some somalis ridiculously actually think that Somalis only came to exist after the birth of Prophet Mohammed(pbuh). Somali history is practically unknown. The nomadic lifestyle coupled with fake myths about their ancestry (Darood and isaaq who were both used to claim noble Hashimi origins) along with other factors is why Somali history is so mysterious. What does Hawiye mean, 99.999999999% of Hawiyees themselves will never be able to tell you that, I can assure you!!! Since the 11th century Somalis have lost so many somali words it's ridiculous. It's mostly been replaced with Arabic. A large percent of old somali words, names, terminologies are not understandable to Somalis today.
The Chief

Skien, Norway

#15 May 9, 2011
Amaanle wrote:
Ibro, Most somalis have absolutly no idea about their past pre-islamic history. Some somalis ridiculously actually think that Somalis only came to exist after the birth of Prophet Mohammed(pbuh). Somali history is practically unknown. The nomadic lifestyle coupled with fake myths about their ancestry (Darood and isaaq who were both used to claim noble Hashimi origins) along with other factors is why Somali history is so mysterious. What does Hawiye mean, 99.999999999% of Hawiyees themselves will never be able to tell you that, I can assure you!!! Since the 11th century Somalis have lost so many somali words it's ridiculous. It's mostly been replaced with Arabic. A large percent of old somali words, names, terminologies are not understandable to Somalis today.
It is true that Somalis know very little about their history. It is not only the nomad life that is the cause of this total oblivion of their history, but the mental war waged on them by the Arabs and Europeans. Arabs have done a great deal of damage to our culture, language and history. They have tried to Arabize Somalis like Sudan, but it is the nomadic life style that saved our culture from the impending disaster.

The greatest damage to our culture and language is inflicted in the last 20 years the country has been in chaos. This is the time Arabs have got s free hand and spent a lot of money to change our traditional costume, poems, music and everything that is not Arabic. Somalia is a Muslim country, but we had our unique culture which differs from Arab culture. We have been a tolerant society with no radical ideology and with more free life style unlike the Middle East.
If the chaos in Somalia continues and Al shabab wins, then there will be no more Somalia. It may probably be called Bilad AL Somal Al Arabiyah!.
cibaar

Birmingham, UK

#16 May 10, 2011
The Professor wrote:
Oromos did live in Somalia before, if some Somalis did come from Oromos I wouldn't be surprise.
that is an errelevent statement be careful somalia was always inhabeted by somalid race
you need to understand the defference between the gaala and ormo races many somali clans belong to the gaala/gala race the ancestors of the somali clans like the ajuuraan,cawramale,garre,jiidd o and the rest of the sab somalis these clans librated most of somalia from thier gaala cousens like the borana and randille not the caruusi oromo of ethiopia who migrated from south ethiopia to dirirdhaba in the 16 century
the name boorane city is from boraana of kenya you can trace them in somaliland including ssc all these taala tiiriyaad they built it was the ajuuraans and dagodia who pushed them to kenya they still dominate in caynaba wich have fiqishini population and the mayor of the caynaba is fiqishini within somaliland of SSC region they have built all the ceelasha caynaba and badweeyn they are now habargidir or many of the dhulbahante who has hawiye karanle origin like bah gari live there and still karanle lives in harar so you cant say that clan is from the north and that one is from south this is a somalid race for example the cawramale lived in the north and then went to the south in kismaayo and kenye as they say cawramalihii caadka raacay they are the ancestors of the warsangali maakhiri now half of warsangali are saransoor samaale the brothers of dagodia wich is related to the hawiye and the north one are harti darood or the abgaals from sheekh abdaal town between berbera and hargeeysa
im just saying the oromo and the somali races are new ones but you can trace the gaalo race in evry somali region like baargaal in puntland,or gaal kacyo where the gaalo where kicked from like that they pushed there ancestors to kenya the somali clans pushed each other
i will post some somali article says no somali clan owns one region from eternity
cibaar

Birmingham, UK

#17 May 10, 2011
cibaar

Birmingham, UK

#18 May 10, 2011
the galla is an old term for the oromo of today these galla has some connection with the ajuuraan,cawramale,garre,dagod ia,murule and karanle alot of gugundhaba can have a gallo origin but not oromo since its a new term for specific race the arsi not even borana,boni aweer and rendille wich genetically and linguistically closer to somali southren dailects than to oromo arsi who genetically closer to the nilotes in the colonial period ajuuraans was seen as a gallo race hence we somalis and the oromo are originated from the same gaalo race
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/section...
cibaar

Birmingham, UK

#19 May 10, 2011
borana man who is typical somalid race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borana_Oromo_peo...

“Akkami ilman Islamaa?”

Since: Jun 09

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#20 May 10, 2011
cibaar wrote:
<quoted text>that is an errelevent statement be careful somalia was always inhabeted by somalid race
you need to understand the defference between the gaala and ormo races many somali clans belong to the gaala/gala race the ancestors of the somali clans like the ajuuraan,cawramale,garre,jiidd o and the rest of the sab somalis these clans librated most of somalia from thier gaala cousens like the borana and randille not the caruusi oromo of ethiopia who migrated from south ethiopia to dirirdhaba in the 16 century
the name boorane city is from boraana of kenya you can trace them in somaliland including ssc all these taala tiiriyaad they built it was the ajuuraans and dagodia who pushed them to kenya they still dominate in caynaba wich have fiqishini population and the mayor of the caynaba is fiqishini within somaliland of SSC region they have built all the ceelasha caynaba and badweeyn they are now habargidir or many of the dhulbahante who has hawiye karanle origin like bah gari live there and still karanle lives in harar so you cant say that clan is from the north and that one is from south this is a somalid race for example the cawramale lived in the north and then went to the south in kismaayo and kenye as they say cawramalihii caadka raacay they are the ancestors of the warsangali maakhiri now half of warsangali are saransoor samaale the brothers of dagodia wich is related to the hawiye and the north one are harti darood or the abgaals from sheekh abdaal town between berbera and hargeeysa
im just saying the oromo and the somali races are new ones but you can trace the gaalo race in evry somali region like baargaal in puntland,or gaal kacyo where the gaalo where kicked from like that they pushed there ancestors to kenya the somali clans pushed each other
i will post some somali article says no somali clan owns one region from eternity
Heres the thing tho, the mythical person "Oromo" was a nickname given to him, meaning powerful in the old language. Boorana and Baareentumma are children of Hooro. The name Galla is a name given to us by the Somalis, because we didn't accept islam. Then later the decedents of Hooro, became the Oromo. "Galla", and "Oromo" are nicknames. Boorana had two sons and many decendents from the two, while Baareento had 5 sons and many decendents.
The "Oromo" took the name oromo because we accepted different religions, and were not following the old waaqeefataa religion.
The Afran Qallo Oromos have many oral history of them originating in northern Somalia, being Somaliland. Many Booranas have their oral history facing Puntland. But overall, all these stories are myths. There is no proof of so and so originating from places and people.
I can tell you many Afran Qallo clans are infact of Somali, Afar, Argobba, Harari, and Harla peoples.
Before the 16th century there wasn't any mentionings of Oromo people in Harargee, Shawaa, Wallagaa etc..
Just to name a few clans and their originally ethnicites:
Qallus are Somali Sheekash
Noolee Warra Gaattoo are Afar
Noolee Warra Fattoo has 2 subs(Usmaan & Umaar) both Majeerteen
Hummee Warra Bursuug Somali Dir
Most Ittu Oromos of Argobba background
Noolee Warra Haalelee are of the historic Harla
Manchiite Alaa are Majeerteen Somali
ETC..........
Also if you go threw Somalis you have many Oromos,
The Waardeey are the Ormaa Oromo
Akisho Dir are Akichu Afran Qallo
Hawiye Somali are Haawiyaa Baabille Qallo
Many Ogadeen clans are Boorans
etc....
In all honesty, clan talk is garbage and left alone amongst many Oromos. We don't talk about them, nor care of what clan people are from and so on. Clanish type of attitude is only found amongst hararge Oromos, and it's only for support of business, keeping land and so on. so lets end this topic, and leave it at how it is..........

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