I'm considering becoming a Quranist / Quran only muslim.

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Libaax

UK

#1 Dec 28, 2012
I have been recently reading about Quranism / Quran only Muslims and I think it is awesome and much better than that traditionalist Sunni stuff.

Major benefits of Quranism:

- More logical: Read the Quran and think for yourself!

- Consistency: Hadiths are full of contradictions and fabrications, whilst the Quran isn't

- More tolerable: Only 3 prayers needed, 10 day Ramadan, you can pray in your own language if you want to (intent is more important and allah knows all languages) etc!

- More modern and less primitive: More personal freedom, retarded beards or headscarves are not obligatory at all etc!

- Truly monotheistic - God = One, Holy Scripture = One! No duality.

I really love this way of looking at Islam. It's so much better and more appealing to me than Sunnism. I think I will convert to Quranism soon.
Libaax

UK

#3 Dec 28, 2012
SaxarLa wrote:
LOL Is this a new version of Shia?
It's basically only following the Quran and nothing else.

Watch this discussion on Quranism:



Sunni Islam = Wrong in so many ways, mostly inspired by the works of the devil and enemies of Muhammad.

Quranism = Pure Awesomeness
Libaax

UK

#5 Dec 28, 2012
SaxarLa wrote:
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You are lost adoon. Your posts in this thread ooze utter ignorance and total gaalnimo, acudubilaah.
You must believe that Muhammad was a pedophile with the sexual appetite of thirty men if you are a true Sunni.

Sunnism = Work of the devil

Quranism = True Islam
Mogadishu Royalty

Woodford Green, UK

#6 Dec 28, 2012
Wtf ^^ LOL

one moment you're a 'quranist' the next offending the prophet?
Niu Ahmed

Asheville, NC

#8 Dec 29, 2012
Where's Mohamed D rapist sex maniac right now?
thehassanabdi

UK

#9 Dec 30, 2012
Niu Ahmed wrote:
Where's Mohamed D rapist sex maniac right now?
Were you "violated" by a muslim? What's with all this uncalled for hate on islam? live and let live ahahahahahahah.Report crime instead unleashing your anger on a whole community Lol

Since: Nov 12

Den Haag, Netherlands

#10 Dec 30, 2012
^^^^^thehassanabdi shes talking about the user with that name
Dust

London, UK

#11 Dec 30, 2012
Qur'anism too is rife with problems. For one, "read the Qur'an and come to your own conclusion" reeks of following your own desires, which the Qur'an itself warns heavily against. Who are you to come up with your own version of Islamic laws when there have been scholars who have dedicated their lives to understanding Islam?

Next, the Qur'an tells us to obey the Messenger and to leave what he has forbidden for us and go towards what he has told us to (Surah Hashr)- how can we do this without the Hadith? How can we know the pearls of wisdom that the Prophet gave his Ummah without the Hadith? Or are you going to think that up too? Reading the Qur'an itself will tell you of the need for the hadith.

And you have GREATLY misunderstood the intricate and complicated method of recording and transmitting the Hadith and underestimate just how much work and labour was put into this science in order to keep fabrications out.

You would know the difference between authentic and fabricated Hadith by their chain of narration or isnad. If the isnad of a Hadith is strong, it has truthful and trustworthy narrators who have been known to be truthful - if a liar is found in the chain, then the hadith is weakened. It's honestly that harsh of a system, which is great because it keeps lies out of the legacy of our Prophet.

Research about Hadith and you will change your mind.
thehassanabdi

UK

#12 Dec 30, 2012
snickermman wrote:
^^^^^thehassanabdi shes talking about the user with that name
I think he/she is the same person,and here he/she is mocking our prophet pbuh by asking of his "whereabouts".just look at her location
Niu Ahmed

Asheville, NC

#13 Dec 31, 2012
thehassanabdi wrote:
<quoted text>Were you "violated" by a muslim? What's with all this uncalled for hate on islam? live and let live ahahahahahahah.Report crime instead unleashing your anger on a whole community Lol
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yes they sucked my tongue!
when i was 9 years old . That's why i ran away and seek the truth.
its a disgusting satanic islam and the followers were demonized by a tongue sucker demon possessed sex maniac mohamad ! read his Hadith
and you will find the truth! its satanic!
The Chief

Oslo, Norway

#14 Dec 31, 2012
allah named Baal wrote:
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Be careful what you complaining about?
Did you know that-> Hadith was 2nd to the Satanic KKKoran?
and IGNORING the Hadith of satan allah prophet mohamed is "punishable" by death?
.
if you really memorized he Satanic KKKoarn by heart?(i don't think that you have a hearth of human bu demon possessed heart?)
Below are some examples of hundreds of satanic contradictions of satan allah one & only self proclaimed ILLITERATE sex maniac Mohamad(hswad).
Please Check your Satanic KKKOran's satanic Surah Verses?
that says?
1) That the Creations of allah Baal was 8 Days instead of 6?
2) That the Planet earth is FLAT like FLAT nose!
3)That RAPE is OK (4:34)
4)that if pagan allah named BAAL make a MISTAKE he/she can REVOKE it?(see 10:64 and 2:106)
5)that your pagan allah's named WAS-> BA AL !(see Satanic Surah 37:125 & 23:72
and
Can you FIND where was pagan muslim's god's THRONE Located? was in Heaven or in hell ?
Above
are some of the Satanic Contradictions in your satanic qur'an
if you wanted to learn more? we can discuss it. not debate its because you pagan muslims do not the word "debate" let's who are telling lies here okay? now? can you answer SOME of the contradictions stated above?
i

Bacaaaaac.com , take your ignorance to somewhere else and don't comment on something you know nothing about.
shut up

London, UK

#15 Dec 31, 2012
Niu Ahmed wrote:
<quoted text>
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yes they sucked my tongue!
when i was 9 years old . That's why i ran away and seek the truth.
its a disgusting satanic islam and the followers were demonized by a tongue sucker demon possessed sex maniac mohamad ! read his Hadith
and you will find the truth! its satanic!
were you locked up in a dungeon or something you come acrosss a barbaric ?
Submission

Birmingham, UK

#18 Jan 4, 2013
Dust wrote:
Qur'anism too is rife with problems. For one, "read the Qur'an and come to your own conclusion" reeks of following your own desires, which the Qur'an itself warns heavily against. Who are you to come up with your own version of Islamic laws when there have been scholars who have dedicated their lives to understanding Islam?
Next, the Qur'an tells us to obey the Messenger and to leave what he has forbidden for us and go towards what he has told us to (Surah Hashr)- how can we do this without the Hadith? How can we know the pearls of wisdom that the Prophet gave his Ummah without the Hadith? Or are you going to think that up too? Reading the Qur'an itself will tell you of the need for the hadith.
And you have GREATLY misunderstood the intricate and complicated method of recording and transmitting the Hadith and underestimate just how much work and labour was put into this science in order to keep fabrications out.
You would know the difference between authentic and fabricated Hadith by their chain of narration or isnad. If the isnad of a Hadith is strong, it has truthful and trustworthy narrators who have been known to be truthful - if a liar is found in the chain, then the hadith is weakened. It's honestly that harsh of a system, which is great because it keeps lies out of the legacy of our Prophet.
Research about Hadith and you will change your mind.
No human is free from errors. Most "Quranists" don't necessarily have a problem with hadiths for guidance. But when they become a source for both Islamic law and used to amend the Quran, that's when it becomes a problem.

How can a hadith abrogate a verse in the Quran? We are always taught the Quran comes first, hadith second but if a hadith can abrogate a verse in the Quran (And I'm not allowed to abrogate a hadith using the Quran) then essentially we've placed the Quran below the Hadiths.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp...
^^ this explains the rules of abrogation.

"There are three types of abrogated Qur'anic verses:

(1) recitation-abrogated and ruling-abrogated

(2) recitation-established and ruling-abrogated

(3) recitation-abrogated and ruling-established"

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/... (P1216).html this website explains the same issue using the Quran.

My job isn't to convert anyone, only Allah can guide us. But there are many aspect of Sunnism (today in particular) which is so off what the Quran teaches us it makes me feel uneasy. The scholars you so highly praise will not be there on the Day of Judgment nor will they take any of your sins. They are not God so they are not free from errors.

The OP seems ignorant too and clearly has little understanding of Islam as a whole.
Submission

Birmingham, UK

#19 Jan 4, 2013
Dust

London, UK

#20 Jan 4, 2013
Nobody is saying the scholars are free from errors, that would be a problematic statement to make. The point I was making is that a layman opening the Qur'an with little to no knowledge on Islam and following what he deems to be relevant to his life and not acknowledging the rest is arrogant and is basically defecating on the decades of studying that many have done and are still doing and have only just scratched the surface. Islam is an ocean of blessings and guidance - let's not saturate it into a glass and call it a day, which is what Qur'anism does. You're wronging Islam in your method of learning and approaching the Qur'an and Islam in general.

Another error of the Quranists is that they constantly put down the Hadith as an unnecessary addition to Islam put in by evil, baddie scholars to subdue the people. Do you not know that the Hadith were written during the time of the Prophet as soon as they left his lips?

The hadith of Abd Allah ibn ‘Amr who said,“I used write everything I heard from the Prophet wanting to preserve it. The Quraysh then prohibited me from doing so, saying,‘Do you write down everything? And the Prophet is human who speaks while angry and pleased?’ So I refrained from writing and then mentioned this to the Prophet. He gestured to his mouth and said,‘Write, by the one in whose hand is my soul! Nothing emanates from this except the truth.’”

We NEED the Prophet's explanation of the Qur'an in order to understand it properly. It holds one message for all, and is not here to be deciphered by people without knowledge. The Hadiths are a blessing - it's unfortunate that many who claim to follow Islam do not see that.
MOHahMud D Satan profit

Lapeer, MI

#22 Jan 4, 2013
Submission wrote:
<quoted text>
No human is free from errors. Most "Quranists" don't necessarily have a problem with hadiths for guidance. But when they become a source for both Islamic law and used to amend the Quran, that's when it becomes a problem.
How can a hadith abrogate a verse in the Quran? We are always taught the Quran comes first, hadith second but if a hadith can abrogate a verse in the Quran (And I'm not allowed to abrogate a hadith using the Quran) then essentially we've placed the Quran below the Hadiths.
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp...
^^ this explains the rules of abrogation.
"There are three types of abrogated Qur'anic verses:
(1) recitation-abrogated and ruling-abrogated
(2) recitation-established and ruling-abrogated
(3) recitation-abrogated and ruling-established"
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/... (P1216).html this website explains the same issue using the Quran.
My job isn't to convert anyone, only Allah can guide us. But there are many aspect of Sunnism (today in particular) which is so off what the Quran teaches us it makes me feel uneasy. The scholars you so highly praise will not be there on the Day of Judgment nor will they take any of your sins. They are not God so they are not free from errors.
The OP seems ignorant too and clearly has little understanding of Islam as a whole.
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You Said ? that nO Human is free from errors?

and i supported that 100 percent?
.
THEREFORE
you Satanic KKKoran Words was made a man made and that if you COMMIT mistakes you can Revoke it?
I thought all muslim pagans "memorised all the satanic words of the Satanic KKKoran?
BELOW
are
the Satanic Surahs that POROVEs that KKkoran was not the words of ur muslims god?
you BETTER copy these
and memorize
---> these-> Satanic Surah 10:64- THERE is -> NO "changing" the word of muslim god!? its Final!?!
BUT
in this Satanic Surah 2:106- muslim god CAN ANNUL or REVOKE --> "any -> VERSES ??
soo
if your muslim god is not human?
then?
Who MADE the satanic KKKoran? and who are the "authorss"of kkkoran?
Did you know that the-> Original KKKoran was BURNed by -> 3rd Caliph Uthman?
and
that the KKKoran u r using now
was the Uthman KKKoran he made?
Bigmo

Sharjah, UAE

#23 Jan 17, 2013
Yeah the part about abrogation is spot on. The Sects like Sunni or Shia believe many commands of the Koran have been abrogated. Theyw anted to compete with the Roman Byzantinians and there were heavy influences from Zoroastrian and also the Judaic Talmud which is where the stuff about marrying 9 years old came from. The Talmud itself borrowed many traditions from Babylon. Jesus attacked the Talmud in the Gospel. He accussed the Pharisees who follow the Talmud of abrogated God's commands in the Old Testament. Like the hadiths of Islam, the Talmud replaced and many cases invented many new laws often at the expense of the Old Testament. Jesus was against that.

The hadith also gave the ruler absolute power which is why the Abbasids supported the Sunnah and tossed the Mutazilites (who only accepted the Koran) aside. Since then the hadith and sunnah became the de facto authority in Islam. The hadith were compiled centuries after Muhammad and many of them contradict the Quran tooth and nail.
thehassanabdi

London, UK

#24 Jan 17, 2013
Libaax wrote:
I have been recently reading about Quranism / Quran only Muslims and I think it is awesome and much better than that traditionalist Sunni stuff.
Major benefits of Quranism:
- More logical: Read the Quran and think for yourself!
- Consistency: Hadiths are full of contradictions and fabrications, whilst the Quran isn't
- More tolerable: Only 3 prayers needed, 10 day Ramadan, you can pray in your own language if you want to (intent is more important and allah knows all languages) etc!
- More modern and less primitive: More personal freedom, retarded beards or headscarves are not obligatory at all etc!
- Truly monotheistic - God = One, Holy Scripture = One! No duality.
I really love this way of looking at Islam. It's so much better and more appealing to me than Sunnism. I think I will convert to Quranism soon.
Well Mr QUR'ANIST how exactly will you pray? because the mode of prayer comes from the hadith.Secondly RAMADAN is a whole month in the islamic CALENDER,how can you fast only ten days? Get your lazy ass back to a gym or something
MOH Exterminated D JEWs

Goodrich, MI

#25 Jan 17, 2013
thehassanabdi wrote:
<quoted text>Well Mr QUR'ANIST how exactly will you pray? because the mode of prayer comes from the hadith.Secondly RAMADAN is a whole month in the islamic CALENDER,how can you fast only ten days? Get your lazy ass back to a gym or something
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Hey pagan MOONie?
Do you do -> Wudu before your Squatting prayer while ur Butt's in the air pointing the east of Qab ah? and always "east" you to ppoint your aszhole's Butt?
do you really Fast( not eating when there's sunlight?) in the Days
and
During the Nights of ramaDUNG you eat a Lot? How come? yu just change the time of eating?
instead of Days? you eat at night? and you called it FASTING?
During ramadang
SEX is Forbidden right?
How come ur satan allah propfit MOOH "violated" it? instead he had sex with the 6 years old aisha during ramaDUNG?
do you want me to prove that accusations?
Niu ahmed

Asheville, NC

#26 Jan 20, 2013
Fasting during Ramadan was ONLY changed the time of Eating
from Daylight to Night light.
3 times to eat
at night time?
its like the Vampires
that musies sleep at daytime and awake at night time.

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