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Ruby

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#21
Feb 26, 2013
 
"Well it says on the Quran that you can beat your wife"

Don't kafirs get tried of asking the same questions over and over again?
Mogadishu Royalty

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#22
Feb 26, 2013
 
Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
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Are you substituting medina for mecca, because mohamed made his hijra to yathrib (medina) on september 27, 622. If you read the koran revealed to mohamed in mecca, it was a manifesto of a peace activist because it was the time when ayats like, "there is no cumpulsion in islam" were revealed. During that time, he was like the diala lama, a weak leader who always told his followers to turn the other cheek.
Fast forward to the era when he became a strong warlord and backstabbed the jews that welcomed him and his entourage to medina. a very different kind of koran that was like a neo-con warmonger ideology was revealed.
Keep telling yourself this till it becomes real in your head. I mean instead of actually being atheist you can't help but say things about religion lol.
Mogadishu Royalty

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#23
Feb 26, 2013
 
There's a suggestion: why don't you spend more time being atheist and less time anti-Islam because you seem to be confusing them for the same thing.
Hacker Jacker

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#24
Feb 26, 2013
 
Don't Assume luv
you can't call a muslim person kafir as you aint perfect yourself

I have brought up a subject you may not like, but am I lying? no

now go and wash your mouth and ask Allah for forgiveness
Mogadishu Royalty

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#25
Feb 26, 2013
 
@Hacker Jacker:

People multinickname on this website as various kafirs so I apologize and I'm sure Ruby does too if you are not one.
TheTruthHurts

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#26
Feb 26, 2013
 
If he isn't then why is he posting this from a kafir website??
Islam IS a religion of peace, i don't care what the kuffar say. It is the most beautiful religion and i hope to witness the world being governed by the laws of Allah in shaa Allah! So many Muslims out there MISREPRESENTING Islam.. May Allah guide them! Ameen.

@Hacker Jacker - Do you not have a mother? Sisters? Aunts? You seem to have NO respect for women whatsoever. If you have no respect for YOUR mother, then please don't come here insulting our mothers and the mother of humans Hawwa (Eve). If you were to meet her what would you say? And how about Maryam bint 'Imran the mother of 'Isa (AS). She was praised by ALLAH in the Qur'an yet you have the audacity to come on here saying women are bent and can't think straight e.t.c... Know that you will be accounted for what you say (or even type) by Allah!
Ruby

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#27
Feb 26, 2013
 
"If he isn't then why is he posting this from a kafir website?? "

Thank you very much for pointing out the obvious!

Using anti-Islamic websites to educate people about Islam is clearly a Kafir trait.

The propaganda machine that exist in displaying Islam as an anti-women religion has failed. Women make up the largest group of people converting to Islam.

These Kafirs need a new line of attack
TheTruthHurts

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#28
Feb 26, 2013
 
Allah (SWT) says in the Qur'an:
"(...) And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable.(...)" (2:228)
So what is expected of the wife, is also expected from the husband. The wife must lower her gaze and keep chaste, the same applies for the husband. The wife must beautify herself for her husband, so should the husband for his wife (Ibn 'Abbas used to beautify himself for his wife, he was a senior companion and cousin of the Prophet (SAW) and he did tafseer (explanation/commentary) of the Qur'an).
A woman has the right to choose her husband and divorce (for a reasonable cause, e.g harsh treatment from husband).
Anyway, marriage should be based on love and companionship.
Allah (SWT) says in the Qur'an:
“ And among His signs is this that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find repose in them and He has put between you affection and mercy.”(30.21)
Men and women are also equal in reward for good deeds and punishment for sins.
Allah (SWT) says:
"Surely for men who submit to Allah and for women who submit to Allah, for believing men and for believing women, for devout men and devout women, for truthful men and truthful women, for steadfast men and steadfast women, for humble men and humble women, for charitable men and charitable women, for fasting men and fasting women, for men who guard their chastity and women who guard their chastity, for men who remember Allah much and for women who remember Allah much, for all of them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a mighty reward." (33:35)

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Feb 27, 2013
 

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Ruby wrote:
"If he isn't then why is he posting this from a kafir website?? "
Women make up the largest group of people converting to Islam.
Ruby, large groups of women converting to Islam doesn´t neccessarily make it women friendly. Large groups of women are also prostitutes, but that doesn´t neccessarily make prostitution a women friendly profession.

Plus, most women who convert to Islam are converted by their men. Also we keep hearing abou the converts, but not so much about those who decide exit Islam after the honeymoon phase.

Also one doesn´t need to look at anti-Islamic websites to hear muslim clerics talk demeaning about muslim women:

Look at this dude, he´s bascially saying that the "beating" of the wife is symbolic, lol..symbolic violence is still violence though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Lets get real

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#30
Feb 27, 2013
 
Hacker Jacker wrote:
xassis ba tahi Hooyo
Wa ku sidi, leave my skinny legs alone please
I have a skinny legs genes that comes from my Somali diet of Barriss, pastu and heleb only, no vegetables or fruits
on the other hand, I know you have one meal a day but you still as fat as Adele the singer, well I guess blame it on your Somali genes too
listen Allah created Adam and then Eve not the other way round
Eve came from Adam's rib, that's why men only have seven ribs and not eight which women have
a rib is not straight but bendy, just like women, they are bendy and can't think straight looooooooooool
now go and clean the house and cook your skinny husband something to eat, he needs it after spending three days in the mafriish
You are a dumbass, both men AND women have 12 ribs each. It just goes to show how little you know about Islam and Anatomy. The story of Eve being created from Adam's rib is FALSE. NO WHERE in the quran OR hadith does it say that. Its just a old story told by the jews that some muslims repeat out of Ignorance. Also just because your cowardly father beat your poor mother does not mean that the majority of Somali men do that. That is a Arab hobby, you would get more supporters in the Arab forums. We, Somalis, have A LOT OF problems, no doubt BUT domestic ABUSE is not one of them. Somali men are known for being one of the most generous and kindhearted men to their wives. Not only does Islam teach showing your mother great respect but most Somali men I know are mommy's boy. They are either on the phone all the time talking to their mother or sending money to their mother or listening to their mother's advice. What makes you think a man that has that much respect and love for his mother is going to treat his wife or daughters any differently?
To be honest you come off as a child, talking about beating your wife and telling women to go to to the kitchen. I am 300% sure you don't have a spouse and in case I am wrong then please tell the Somali woman you are married to to go kill herself because she is not a woman if she lets her husband abuse her.
Ruby

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#31
Feb 27, 2013
 
"Ruby, large groups of women converting to Islam doesn´t neccessarily make it women friendly. Large groups of women are also prostitutes, but that doesn´t neccessarily make prostitution a women friendly profession"

I disagree, especially when it comes to matters of religious adherence. For a religion, numbers matter.A religion operates in the same fashion as a political party, their goal is to recruit as many followers as possible, because people ultimately mean power. This is the same with any organisation or institution. Why do atheist get excited about the number of people who tick the non-believer column in any census?

"Plus, most women who convert to Islam are converted by their men"

I've heard this as well, and I can't really comment on what goes on around the world, but the most comprehensive study conducted on Muslim converts in the United Kingdom found no evidence to support the claim that most conversions are driven by marriage.
Ruby

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Feb 27, 2013
 
"Also we keep hearing abou the converts, but not so much about those who decide exit Islam after the honeymoon phase"

I can't remember where I read it, but there are some scholars who have looked into this subject and produced a theory about European converts to Islam. Its called the three stage process, and they argue that European converts essential go through three stages when they convert to Islam. The first stage is "love". This is where you get converts being emotionally obsessed with the religion. The second stage is characterised as being "disappointed", at this stage the newly converts are disillusioned with born-Muslims and their ideas. Apparently, this is the stage where most of the exists occur. And the final stage is "maturity". At this stage the converts have found a way to incorporate Islamic teaching and ideas with the social and cultural background they are familiar with.

Mogadishu Royalty

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Ruby, large groups of women converting to Islam doesn´t neccessarily make it women friendly. Large groups of women are also prostitutes, but that doesn´t neccessarily make prostitution a women friendly profession.
By your logic prostitution is women friendly. Rape is where a women is forced into sexual acts but prostituting yourself as an available agent for men who enter you without violence isn't unfriendly.

The fact that you compare the two things out of context just shows the mental paralysis you suffer from. The same paralysis that has given you false hope into thinking you're a gift to humanity whom saves them from their indoctrination. It is the same paralysis that has blinded you into atheism (or I'm not sure if that was your lack of thinking or the abundance of thought from the white man whom has tricked you).
Mogadishu Royalty

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Also we keep hearing abou the converts, but not so much about those who decide exit Islam after the honeymoon phase.
Hey Einstein, here is a suggestion: maybe they haven't left Islam after the honeymoon phase.

Sorry to bother you whilst in the middle of your gravitational calculus.

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Ruby wrote:
"Ruby, large groups of women converting to Islam doesn´t neccessarily make it women friendly. Large groups of women are also prostitutes, but that doesn´t neccessarily make prostitution a women friendly profession"
I disagree, especially when it comes to matters of religious adherence. For a religion, numbers matter.A religion operates in the same fashion as a political party, their goal is to recruit as many followers as possible, because people ultimately mean power. This is the same with any organisation or institution. Why do atheist get excited about the number of people who tick the non-believer column in any census?
"Plus, most women who convert to Islam are converted by their men"
I've heard this as well, and I can't really comment on what goes on around the world, but the most comprehensive study conducted on Muslim converts in the United Kingdom found no evidence to support the claim that most conversions are driven by marriage.
Ruby wrote:
I disagree, especially when it comes to matters of religious adherence. For a religion, numbers matter.A religion operates in the same fashion as a political party, their goal is to recruit as many followers as possible, because people ultimately mean power. This is the same with any organisation or institution. Why do atheist get excited about the number of people who tick the non-believer column in any census?
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The fact that numbers matter in political organizations and religions is not what´s contested. American atheist/humanist organizations use numbers in their campaign to de-religionize American public spaces by, for instance,removing prayers from public schools. Muslim organization where I live try to list as many people as possible as members, because more members means more funding from the government. So the meaning of numbers in that regard is not the issue. The question is, does a great number female membership/adherence to a political and/or religious ideology neccessarily mean that the said political/religious ideology is women-friendly?

People, regardless of gender, ethnicity or creed are no strangers to supporting political ideologies that work against their favour. Poor and unemployed people vote against their pockets, women have been known to vote against their own reproductive rights (read Rick Santorium LOL). There are Somali females who support Al Shabaab style political islamism. I could go on, but what I am saying is, female adherence is not what defines if an ideology is female friendly.However, the principles of the ideology do..and given the extreme deficit in women´s rights and women´s autonomy across the muslim world, it´s quite obvious that women support Islam for many reasons, but women´s rights and equality between the sexes and equal opportunities isn´t any of those reasons. <<<< That is intriguing on many levels.

The three stage process sounds interesting. A sociologist at Uppsala Uni wrote a doctoral dissertation about swedish female converts to Islam. And her findings showed that: there is one group of women who state that they convert to Islam because they found God, and another group of women whose conversion was triggered by relationship with a muslim man. What´s interesting about her findings is that the group who stated "Finding God" as their reason for conversion is also the group where leaving Islam eventually is more common. Whereas the group which stated marriage with a muslim man as the main reason for conversion is the one i which women tend to remain in the faith and adopt more orthodox practices.
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Ruby, large groups of women converting to Islam doesn´t neccessarily make it women friendly. Large groups of women are also prostitutes, but that doesn´t neccessarily make prostitution a women friendly profession.
Plus, most women who convert to Islam are converted by their men. Also we keep hearing abou the converts, but not so much about those who decide exit Islam after the honeymoon phase.
Also one doesn´t need to look at anti-Islamic websites to hear muslim clerics talk demeaning about muslim women:
Look at this dude, he´s bascially saying that the "beating" of the wife is symbolic, lol..symbolic violence is still violence though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Hello Insearch_of....You forgot to use ur other nick (Sheikh voodoo) lol....Just wanted to put that out there and why don't all these non Muslims mind their business. I'm yet to see an online muslim site/forum that has so many topics abouth Christianity. There is something about Islam that makes all these non Muslims lose sleep.
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Ruby, large groups of women converting to Islam doesn´t neccessarily make it women friendly. Large groups of women are also prostitutes, but that doesn´t neccessarily make prostitution a women friendly profession.
Plus, most women who convert to Islam are converted by their men. Also we keep hearing abou the converts, but not so much about those who decide exit Islam after the honeymoon phase.
Also one doesn´t need to look at anti-Islamic websites to hear muslim clerics talk demeaning about muslim women:
Look at this dude, he´s bascially saying that the "beating" of the wife is symbolic, lol..symbolic violence is still violence though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
She-male this subject is beyond your understanding capacity.We are talking about Man and Woman,NOT Two in One [she-male] LOl
Hacker Jacker

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#38
Feb 27, 2013
 
@everyone who was talking to me

I just typed Wife beating in Islam and that was the first website that came on the search engine

now if you can read Arabic please open the holy Quran Surah an-Nisa (chapter 4, verse 34) and then tell me the translation

La Elaha Ela Allah, why you guys trying to argue with me when you can't even read Arabic or can't read Quran, you read a translation and think you know better

here is a Hadith?

Allah’s Apostle said: Treat women nicely, for a women is created from a rib, and the most curved portion of the rib is its upper portion; so, if you should try to straighten it, it will break, but if you leave it as it is, it will remain crooked. So treat women nicely.(Bukhari, Kitab Ahadith al-ambiya)

and no I am not talking about anybody moms, I am not disrespecting anyone, I am just having a convo with you lot

you may not like what I am saying but that does not mean I am Kafiir

and if I said to a girl go to the kitchen

well, tell me if your dad cook in the house? I guess not, men are the bread winners and women duty is to raise the kids, cook, clean etc

When I went for the first time back to the Motherland, I was in my family home and I was thirsty, just like being at home in London I got up to go to the kitchen to get water and my mom screamed at me telling me Men can't go in the kitchen

you need to ask your sister or cousins to get you anything from the kitchen

so even the Somali Dhaqan tell us women place is in the kitchen

the only time I was asked to come to the kitchen is when they asked me to lift a heavy metal drum which they use to keep rice
Hacker Jacker

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#39
Feb 27, 2013
 
about being sexist, well all men are

if he tells you otherwise he is after something

oh I just remembered a joke (it is just a joke so take it easy)

Q: what is the meaning of Wife?
Washing
Ironing
Funking
etc

loooooooooooooooooooooooool
TheTruthHurts

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#40
Feb 27, 2013
 
The Prophet (SAW) used to help his wives in the house (they had slaves at the time as well). He (SAW) used to mend his own shoes e.t.c. What example is better than that of the Prophet's??
The Prophet (SAW) didn't think it was below him to do these things, so do the men nowadays think that they are superior to the Prophet (SAW)?
a woman who cooks, cleans, looks after the children e.t.c, is doing her husband a great favour because it's HIS job to maintain the household and feed his family e.t.c. Even breastfeeding their children is a favour because it's HIS responsibility to make sure the children (everyone in his household under his care) are fed. The woman can refuse to breastfeed and he then has to provide a foster mother to breastfeed the children.
But the women take over these duties lifting the burden off their husband (for which they get rewarded immensely), saving him his money (instead of him paying a maid or buying a slave to clean/look after the children and appointing a foster mother e.t.c)!
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