The Myth of "Somaliland " Peace, Stability and Justice

Jan 2, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Harowo.com

Taking advantage of Somalia's misfortune and dismemberment, the sessionist enclave of "somaliland" has been constantly preaching to its tribesmen and pandering to the Iternational Community prepostrous and fabricated statements about their wishful, "soon-coming" recognition and "state". These illicit rag-tag clansmen have been feeding the people ... (more)

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Jan 2, 2012
 
patriotisim this is

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Jan 2, 2012
 
I would agree that this is very patriotic, if he wasn't having such a blatant qabilist row shrouded in Nationalism masquerading as a somewhat unequivocal fact.

Somaliland shouldn't have the right to seceed along colonially inherited borders taking certain clans along for the ride; but to use 'Isaaq' and 'Somaliland' almost interchangeably does nothing but highlight his own prejudices which have already become solidified in the forlorn cavity of his supposedly 'patriotic' heart where Qabil has burrowed out a hole for itself in the walls of his own common sense. Of little wonder, is it then, that he is basing his arguments almost entirely on whipping up a frenzy amongst non-Isaaq Somalilanders for the sake of it.

'Awadal State' exists solely in the minds of a few disllusioned benefit cheats here in the west. The intellectuals (residing in the west) of Awdal, mostly support Somaliweyn.
The author of this article claims that the people of Awdal have been denied their right to self-determination and are being oppressed by the police; yet he conveniently choses to ignore who the ousted president of two terms was. How can Awdal reject Somaliland after a president from amongst them has just lost an election fairly; is he implying that reer Awdal are heartless freaks, who are only out to please themselves??

SSC regions are actually somewhat divided on this; from this subject emerges the little truth which is contained in his article. Somaliland should carry out a referendum in Sool, Sanaag and Cayn on whether to be with Somaliweyn or Somaliland. As opposed to the petty feuds we see today where Faroole is fighting a proxy war via the SSC freedom fighters with the Somaliland government to capture small villages as if it were the 15th century.

The whole article reeks of bias AND this is coming from a Somaliweyn Nationalist!

Clean up your act Hassan Rirash!! You support a worthwhile cause - Somali unity.
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Jan 3, 2012
 
This comment is addressed to TheTrueRain.
I would like to point out that the establishment of Somaliland was based on the aspirations of SNM, which in return were representing the Issaq community. Having said that, you cannot separate Issaq from Somaliland even if you tried.

"How can Awdal reject Somaliland after a president from amongst them has just lost an election fairly; is he implying that reer Awdal are heartless freaks, who are only out to please themselves??"

This statement doesn't make sense at all. You are clearly selling the people of Awdal state as being narrow-minded if you think they were satisfied with the previous Pres of Somaliland just because they shared the same "clan".. As a Somaliweyn supporter one would assume you that you can think above clan mentality.

"Awadal State' exists solely in the minds of a few disllusioned benefit cheats here in the west."

so let me get this straight. Wanting to not secede and working for Somali unity makes them "disillusioned cheats". I don't see how your negative and offensive attitude towards Awdal for Somali unity attitude helps things.

If anything this article possesses factual events that highlight the myth of the so-called "oasis". Awdal State is an awkward territory for Somaliland secessionists because they can use the exact same arguments that Somaliland is using against Somalia and clearly Somaliland supporters are choking on hypocrisy.

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Jan 3, 2012
 
omg all of you stop fighting we have bigger things to worry about.

Gosh you qabilists are everywhere these days, like omg !..

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Jan 3, 2012
 
@ Duuniya

I respectfully disagree with the overwhelming majority of your post.

It is indeed true that Somaliland's initial foundations were upon the SNM's desire to seceed after Aidiid set up a fake parliament in Xamar. However, Somaliland has evolved from this primitive stage and has begun to resemble an actual, functioning Democractic Republic, this INCLUDES Awdal. Moreover, Somaliland doesn't automatically mean 'Isaaq' as many frontline 'Somalilanders' aren't Isaaq. And not all Isaaq support 'Somaliland'; I, myself, am a living contradiction to your propesterous narrow-minded claim. As of present, associating Somaliland with Isaaq is like associating Hawiye with Somalia.

Rather offensive to all the other majortiy groups who reside there. I believe it is you who needs to step out of the clan mentality as a result and realise that clan boundaries are not as clear cut as some Somalis would apparently like them to be.

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Jan 3, 2012
 
As for the statement of mine which you have quoted: I believe you have missed the point I was making completely. Keyword: AFTER. All this talk of 'Awdal State' began right after Riyaale lost the election, fairly might I add, for the author to argue that the people Awdal wish to suddenly rejoin Somaliweyn is akin to calling them a selfish, heartless people who wished to either run somewhere or cry 'Injustice' when they don't. He is implying that the average member of reer Awdal, only cared about Somaliland because a member of their clan ran it!! This is not my view towards reer Awdal because they actually support Somaliland; the clan elders of Boorama have indeed reiterated plenty of times that they are content with their peoples' treatment and participation under the Somaliland government. The people of Awdal want what every other person in Somaliweyn wants, peace and stability; Somaliland can offer this to them, Somalia sadly cannot in it's present stage. To claim otherwise is, quite frankly, intellectually dishonest.

Those aboard the 'Awdal State' band wagon are mainly BENEFIT cheats - here in the west, launching xaflad after xaflad, trying to disrupt the peace that their kinsmen in Awdal are enjoying, in vain. Crying for Somali Unity, when unity is not what they want at all, they just want to disrupt peace and bring lives to ruin. Had they really wished for Somali unity, they would still be criticizing Somaliland when it was run by Riyaale; such as Dr Samatar was (reer Awdal truly for Soomaaliweyn)

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Jan 3, 2012
 
Furthermore, I was 'selling'(for want of a better phrase) the people of Awdal as having full participation in the ugly secessionist plans of Somaliland, not as being unwillingly taken on the ride away from Somali unity, much like the SSC is.

The author, if anyone, should be accused of inciting hatred amongst clans in relatively stable and peaceful parts of Soomaaliweyn.

I repeat:'Adwal State' doesn't exist, both on paper and in reality. Awdal, for now, is akin to Hardcore Somaliland territory.

As for those 'documented instances of abuse against Awdalites': I would like to point out to you that the Somaliland authoroties, much like those of other African nations, will attack anywhere where there is even a sniff of descent and have been known to attack Isaaq areas, under the facade of 'intervention for peace', to settle disputes between Isaaq Nomads over water and grazing land. So this is not unique to Awdal and is small fry compared to the near-genocides in the south during inter-clan conflicts.

Had you chose to argue the case of te SSC; I would have approached your angle with some form of understanding - however for now, to me, you are just a tribalist who is using Somaliland as a cover for their attacks on certain clans. Correct me if you are not brother, but this is the mood I am getting from your post.

I am no fan of Somaliland, namely for their secessionist ambitions, but credit should be given where it is due. Shouldn't it?

The sooner we acknowledge the relative success of Somaliland in the Somali-populated Horn, the sooner we can implement democracy, stability and the rule of law in our beloved capital Xamar and the sooner we can get ourselves off this slippery slope to the balkanization of Greater Somalia.

Insha'Allah Somalia will rise, rising together.
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Jan 3, 2012
 
Oh how I wish there was peace and stability in Somalia, I am Isaaq and truly wish for a unified Somalia but until then VIVA Somaliland.

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My point is this "oasis of democracy" is built on fault-lines. From what I gather it seems that Awdal is in this only through bribery and intimidation. This goes for these so called elders that you refer to. Anyone who speaks of Somalia and Somali unity is jailed by the Somaliland police. Every time an aggression is done against the people of Awdal, they are quick to bring out their beautiful Somalia blue flag. These aggressions are not limited to recent times. Lets take the SNM connections to Awdal, for example in the 1991 massacre of the people of Borama done by SNM. Sadly, SNM and their supporters continue to deny the crimes. It appears from the beginning of this secessionist idea, Awdal was under a brutal assault from the Somaliland founders. The violence and intimidation continues.
Awdal is definitely not full participants in this, that’s what the Somaliland creators want you to believe. So im not sure as why you keep insisting otherwise, like I said before as a Somaliweyn supporter you should welcome any aspirations that goes against Somaliland. I mean after all it only makes sense. Yet you are adamant that anyone against Somaliland especially diaspora Awadalites only want trouble and “ruin lives”. There is a clear contradiction of what you claim you support and what you are actually arguing against Awdal. I think you’re a closet secessionist putting on a pretense of Somaliweyn hopes.( plz prove me wrong)
How exactly is the author inciting hatred? From that accusation what you really are saying is if you go against Somaliland it’s only out of hatred for peace? Peace is not exclusive to Somaliland!! What exactly does Somaliland give Awdal anyway? And dont give me the peace bullshit, because Awdal had peace and stability before 1991. I'ts definitely not development or economic prosperity for if anything it seems like the region is worse off now. And as the author points out Awdal is ignored and hardly gets any development money from the Somaliland authorities, whether it be from the present government or the previous one.

Lastly, what thought process leads you to the conclusion that I may be a tribilist exactly? It looks as if like you caught that one out of thin air.

Having said all that Somaliland is different from the present Somalia but then again so is Puntland.

I too want Somalia to rise again and because of this i give constructive criticism where it is due.
Somaliland warrants just as much criticism as anywhere else in what use to be our beloved country.

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Jan 4, 2012
 
Have the decency to address your post.
Duuniya wrote:
My point is this "oasis of democracy" is built on fault-lines.
Somaliland is democratically run; democracy is a good form of governance. However, Somaliland is indeed built on 'faultlines'; some of these are found all over Africa in the form of colonially placed borders - others are exclusive to Somaliland: Wanting to secede along these colonially placed borders. The very foundations of this de facto state have been fractured from the outset; for a nation as homogeneous as Somalia to break up - the government must exploit the slightest fear of the population into a seemingly never-ending threat, to control the mindset of the masses. As such Somaliland has taken it upon itself to use M.S.B campaign against Northern Somali dissidence, by claiming it was of the greatest genocides the world has ever witnessed. It is indeed true there was open warfare against the civillians there, but this is again 'small fry' when compared to what Somalis in Somalia Galbeed go through.

"From what I gather it seems that Awdal is in this only through bribery and intimidation. This goes for these so called elders that you refer to."

It is indeed true that some level of Bribery was needed on the part of the SNM to attain Awdal's loyalty; but this is irrelevant now, as Awdalites didn't speak of secession when Somaliland was under one of their own, and still don't speak of it now. Clan elders in Boorama haven't been bribed to say what they did, and you have no proof of this.

"Anyone who speaks of Somalia and Somali unity is jailed by the Somaliland police."
This is true and this is what I hate of Somaliland.

"Every time an aggression is done against the people of Awdal, they are quick to bring out their beautiful Somalia blue flag."
Can't blame them,it's a beautiful flag AND it angers Somaliland.

"These aggressions are not limited to recent times. Lets take the SNM connections to Awdal, for example in the 1991 massacre of the people of Borama done by SNM. Sadly, SNM and their supporters continue to deny the crimes."

Prior to 1991, during the endgame of MSB regime,many people of Awdal were widely known to have been perpetraitors of wide-scale looting in Hargeisa, when it was vacated by the civillians fleeing from the Somali National Armies systematic murdering of Men and raping of Women.

"It appears from the beginning of this secessionist idea, Awdal was under a brutal assault from the Somaliland founders. The violence and intimidation continues."

Awdalites were never under full scale assault by the Somaliland authorities, no more than what a few dissident Isaaq sub-clans might endure.

"Awdal is definitely not full participants in this, that’s what the Somaliland creators want you to believe."

They vote, they sing praise to Somaliland, they celebrate British Somaliland's independence, they do all someone from Burco would do; what is it that they lack or does their not being a majority Isaaq region spare them of any blame in the hideous plans of the Secessionist state?

"So im not sure as why you keep insisting otherwise, like I said before as a Somaliweyn supporter you should welcome any aspirations that goes against Somaliland. I mean after all it only makes sense. "

I am most certainly a full out opponent to Somaliland, and any other form's of secession from Greater Somalia. Had the ACTUAL residents of Awdal stood up to the Somaliland regime for reasons that are purely pro-Somali unity; then I would most certainly support them whole heartedly to free their people from the practical Ethiopian servitude that is known as 'Somaliland's international relations'

"Yet you are adamant that anyone against Somaliland especially diaspora Awadalites only want trouble and “ruin lives”." Did you not see me supporting the claims of the SSC in earlier posts? Are they not 'against Somaliland'?

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Jan 4, 2012
 
"There is a clear contradiction of what you claim you support and what you are actually arguing against Awdal. I think you’re a closet secessionist putting on a pretense of Somaliweyn hopes.( plz prove me wrong")
What would I gain from putting on a false pretense of Somali unity if I was for a weakened Somalia? Tell me: What benefit would lie in that? I don't need to prove my support of Somaliweyn to you; although, I can give you my word that I support Xamar as the capital of the Federal Democracy of Somaliweyn, if that is not sufficient to quell any of your doubts, then so be it.
"How exactly is the author inciting hatred?" The clearly biased artice which is now seemingly removed (or is it my computer?)
"From that accusation what you really are saying is if you go against Somaliland it’s only out of hatred for peace?" To go against Somaliland because of the love for one's motherland Somalia: then surely that is an admirable trait. For one to truly convinve anyone of this, it would surely be logical to not wait until a stakeholder of yours leaves power?
"Peace is not exclusive to Somaliland!!" Alhamdulilah, it is becoming increasingly more prevalents across our motherland.
"What exactly does Somaliland give Awdal anyway? And dont give me the peace bullshit, because Awdal had peace and stability before 1991." It gives Awdal the false promise to be a member of a new nationhood after Xamar was wrecked by war; as well as supposed security in numbers from any Ethio advances for a coastline. Refrain from swearing plz.
"I'ts definitely not development or economic prosperity for if anything it seems like the region is worse off now." To say Boorama or Saylac were better in 1990 than in 2011 is quite frankly, as afore-mentioned, intellectually dishonest. Of the north, only cities like Berbera were better under MSB.
"And as the author points out Awdal is ignored and hardly gets any development money from the Somaliland authorities, whether it be from the present government or the previous one." Everywhere is ignored save Hargeisa and Berbera's port; such is the nature of Africa, it is the child of poverty and ill-planned development.
"Lastly, what thought process leads you to the conclusion that I may be a tribilist exactly? It looks as if like you caught that one out of thin air." It may appear as I somewhat have, it was based on the overall mood of your prior reply. In all honesty, I did ask you to correct me If were mistaken.
"Having said all that Somaliland is different from the present Somalia but then again so is Puntland.
I too want Somalia to rise again and because of this i give constructive criticism where it is due." I agree with this.
"Somaliland warrants just as much criticism as anywhere else in what use to be our beloved country." Everywhere warrants some level of criticism - that is a given; but to argue that Somaliland's faults are on par with the South of Somalia? Lol@ being purposefully dishonest.
"P.S I'm a girl sorry cant be your brother." Ok then,'Sister'. Lol.

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Jan 4, 2012
 
Fact is, if these 'Awdal State' rumours were actually true - that would make my day. Sadly, though, they are little more than fabrications; exaggerations of the Somali-unity aspirations of a few Awdalites (Dr. Samatar) that have always been there regardless of Riyaale's presidency and the tribalist ambitions of those in the west. Tribalism is enrooted into the Somali people, and sadly... those who drum the drums of 'Awdal State' are doing so, quite frankly for the wrong reasons. As such, I find it morally wrong to support this, the goal may be the same, but the ideologies are oceans apart.

Long Live Greater Somalia. Insha'Allah we will rise out of this depression and move forward as one.
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Jan 4, 2012
 
@The TrueRain.the credit should be give to where it due????i don't understand,do you mean the south(moghisho)???.and what credit you mean??there fighting and distruction and enemies coming from out side.are you blind to hate the success of a somali region (somaliland) just coz there is no good and responsible people to run the administration in mogdisho.and how much time you want from us to wait that Bulshit going on there??

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Jan 4, 2012
 
@ Waqooyi

I mean Somaliland; waryaa caadi iska dhig walaalo! lol

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Jan 4, 2012
 
@TheTruthRain
There is no dishonesty on my part what so ever. I give plenty of credit to the people of the Northern region of Somalia for remaining stable and for their many achievements :)

I also welcome any plans from the people of that region who want to work towards Somali unity such as Awdal. Automatically assuming that they are ill-intentioned is counter-productive. Unless there is some kind of test that can prove who is genuine about Somali unity and who is not, you're just going to have to take the movement for what it is.

It's one thing to being a secessionist but to force it on others in the region as well is down right hypocritical of Somaliland in my opinion.

I'm glad you like Prof Samatar, I am a admirer of his as well.

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Jan 4, 2012
 
@ Duuniya

One thing that would clear this all up is for the people of Awdal to be given a referendum: To remain with Somaliland or to become a federality of Somalia.

What is making me doubt the motives of those Awdal State supporters in the west is there relative silence during the presidency of Riyaale as opposed to now. This gives one the impression that their reasons are clan-based and this would do little but bring ill-fate upon any future Somali establishment. Our foundations have to be solid to ensure our Nation's sucess.

As I have said before on my previous account 'TrueDemocracy': If Somaliland becomes a nation, then how long until HA/Garhajis etc... become nations? It is setting a dangerous precedent for the balkanization of the Somali Peninsula.

A weak, fractured and spiteful horn would be the enemy of us all, leaving us all vulnerable to politically and economically foriegn domination.

In short; I would like people to be pro-Somali unity for the right reasons. Is this not reasonable sister?:)
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Jan 4, 2012
 
Awdal people had already got their choice to fellow somaliland administration after many conferenc held between the elders of diffrent clans.the most important conference for somaliland held in Borama early 90th,where the former president Egal was elected by the elders democtatically to lead the state.
it is too late now somebody to ask for Awdal people a refrendum and to choose where to go,they are already united with their atmosphere and working hard for their interstes.
Awdal state is only in the minds of the diaspora people who are far away from the reality going on inside the country.

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Jan 4, 2012
 
@ Waqooyi

A referendum would most certainly punch a hole in the drums of the 'Awdal State' procession :(

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Jan 4, 2012
 
@Waqooyi..

It is because of the corrupt referendum of the early 90's that we are still talking about this issue anyway. How is it right after the brutal attack against Borama by SNM would Borama elders join SNM and their supporters agenda. It is mind-boggling and does not make sense to many people. Many important elders were killed in these attacks and the ones left were forced to go along with the plans. Any i could agree to a new referendum.
TheTruthRain must know if this since he is a fan of Prof Samatar who has stated the issue of the fraudulent referendum before.

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Jan 4, 2012
 
I meant to write TheTrueRain above instead of TheTruthRain lol anywaysssss

A new free and fair referendum just might suffice.
But most supporters of Sland say "no way" hmm i wonder why that is. Maybe because the previous was marred by corruption in the form of intimidation and fraudulent votes.

It is precisely because of this bleak future that i can only support a united Somalia.

Your last statement sounds quite reasonable to me!(brother)?

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