Mohamed Siad Barre and the Christian Fundamentalists

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Sheikh Voodoo

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Mar 22, 2013
 
The Family.

"A secretive group known as The Fellowship, or "The Family," is one of the most powerful Christian fundamentalist movements in the United States. The Family’s devoted membership includes congressmen, corporate leaders, generals and foreign heads of state. Author Jeff Sharlet profiles the group in his book The Family:"

What was Siad Barre's relationship with this secretive Christian Movement? It starts @ 39.00.

AMY GOODMAN: And Siad Barre of Somalia?

JEFF SHARLET: Yeah, dictator of Somalia. It’s, to me, one of the scariest stories that I found in their archives. I was able to recreate this, because they dumped 600 boxes of papers in the Billy Graham archives. Siad Barre was a—not a likely candidate for Christian right recruitment, called himself a Koranic Marxist. But in the early ’80s, the Soviets had abandoned him. There had been a power shift between Somalia and Ethiopia. He was in the market for a new patron. And working through Senator Chuck Grassley, Republican of Iowa, of course still in office—

AMY GOODMAN: Talk more about Chuck Grassley, who certainly is in the news now, who, together with Max Baucus, heads the Senate Finance Committee.

JEFF SHARLET: Yeah.

AMY GOODMAN: Baucus, Democrat; Grassley, Republican. Very powerful figure, especially around healthcare right now.

JEFF SHARLET: Indeed. And Grassley has been involved with the organization for quite some time, since the ’80s, when he traveled to Somalia to join Barre, Siad Barre, in prayer to Jesus. And he brought with him a defense contractor named Bill Brehm.

And Barre was a kind of a cynical character, as you might expect for a dictator. He was very clear. He says,“I’m willing to pray to Jesus, and here’s what I want in return.” He says,“I want my defense budget doubled.” He says,“I want meetings for my officials with the Reagan White House. And I want a sort of a hands-off policy while I crack down on some rebels.” Doug Coe, the leader of the group, wrote back, in essence,“Done, done and done.”

And when we look at history, so it was. And Barre used those weapons, supplied to him in part by the US, to wage a war of almost biblical proportion on his own people, from which Somalia has not recovered to this day. The Family doesn’t consider that a failure; they consider that God’s will for Somalia.

" Jesus didn't come to somalia to take sides but to take over Somalia."

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/12/sharlet
Sheikh Voodoo

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"Indeed. And Grassley has been involved with the organization for quite some time, since the ’80s, when he traveled to Somalia to join Barre, Siad Barre, in prayer to Jesus."

was siad barre a christian?
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More Christian propaganda shit. The fuckers can't stand that fact that they couldn't shove that shit down our ancestor's throats and they still can't sell that disgusting fantasy they call Christianity. Say what you will about Somalis, but we have always been strong about our deen.

Notice how he (said Barre) said:“I’m willing to pray to Jesus, and here’s what I want in return."

As a Muslim you are suppose to believe and respect all the prophets. Said Barre was a very clever man. Even if he DID say those things to him he was just playing on their ignorance.

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What does praying to Jesus include?

Here is a one:

"Thank you Prophet Jesus for teaching the Jews about Islam and warning them from the last day, although they have wronged you and took worship upon you rather than your lord, your efforts were noted. Your preparation of Muhammad (saw) was significant in Islam as it made it clear to humanity that the truth was about to descend unto mankind, peace and blessings be upon you."

Amen (Pronounced Ameen).
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Mar 22, 2013
 
Biography wrote:
What does praying to Jesus include?
Here is a one:
"Thank you Prophet Jesus for teaching the Jews about Islam and warning them from the last day, although they have wronged you and took worship upon you rather than your lord, your efforts were noted. Your preparation of Muhammad (saw) was significant in Islam as it made it clear to humanity that the truth was about to descend unto mankind, peace and blessings be upon you."
Amen (Pronounced Ameen).
i couldn't agree more
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Biography wrote:
What does praying to Jesus include?
Here is a one:
"Thank you Prophet Jesus for teaching the Jews about Islam and warning them from the last day, although they have wronged you and took worship upon you rather than your lord, your efforts were noted. Your preparation of Muhammad (saw) was significant in Islam as it made it clear to humanity that the truth was about to descend unto mankind, peace and blessings be upon you."
Amen (Pronounced Ameen).
You and I know by what the Christian Right evangelicals like jerry falwell and the pat robertson mean praying for jesus. It doesnt involve the muslim religion because they despise it. Their agenda is based on a a personal commitment to jesus christ and christianity and evangelise the world and not to mohamed and islam. Since you think all things white are great, if they would have accepted you as one of them, you would have prayed with them for jesus christ just like siad barre, whose objective was weapons. He used to be a godless communist who murdered muslim scholars who questioned his policies, and then suddenly found jesus, a classic opportunistic dictator.

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Mar 22, 2013
 
Look at these munafiqs committing shirk. lol
Sheikh Voodoo

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Mar 22, 2013
 
chottomatte wrote:
Look at these munafiqs committing shirk. lol
Imaam chotto

that is the power of the tribe. even murtads will be defended according to the tribal legend.

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Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
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Imaam chotto
that is the power of the tribe. even murtads will be defended according to the tribal legend.
Damn! I wish Robespierre was Biograph's clan member. It almost makes a "French revolution" in Somalia possible.
Sheikh Voodoo

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Damn! I wish Robespierre was Biograph's clan member. It almost makes a "French revolution" in Somalia possible.
Imam Chotto

That is a wishfull thinking. they dont possess that thought process to channel their tribalist outlook into a positive outcome such as the french revolution. maybe, they will compose a poem how tough and an unforgiving tribal warriors they are by destroying, killing, maiming and raping their enemies (other tribes). The american christian right (The family) could have saved them from destroying eah other.

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Desperate Christians resort to slandering after failing to recruite any Somalis into their devilish bible for hundreds of years. They know Siyad cann't expose their lies now. People don't believe their bible any more, it has come to dead end.

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Sheikh Vodoo is probably Terry Jones and Chotto the Chubby is his assistant. Lol!

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If Siad Barre was a christian then Marilyn Monroe sang in my grandmothers private concert.

You can't disprove it can you?
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Siad barre and many educated top level officials were most likely agnostic, people have to remember that Somalia or more specifically Mogadishu in the 70's / 80's was a very liberal place . Most people on this forum are probably around my age 18-25 and find it hard to believe , but the religiosity of your parents and relatives was very questionable and since the civil war some and if not most have embraced Islam more in the west. Maybe they focused more on religion as a result of the horrors that unfolded or as a defense mechanism to the culture shock of the super liberal west or simply for the binding/ community effects religion has on small minority groups . I also wouldn't underestimate the power of peer pressure / fear of shame / re-enforcing of identity for survival. Anyway many of the old school Somalis in high government / academia were irreligious.

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Somali Nationalist wrote:
Siad barre and many educated top level officials were most likely agnostic, people have to remember that Somalia or more specifically Mogadishu in the 70's / 80's was a very liberal place . Most people on this forum are probably around my age 18-25 and find it hard to believe , but the religiosity of your parents and relatives was very questionable and since the civil war some and if not most have embraced Islam more in the west. Maybe they focused more on religion as a result of the horrors that unfolded or as a defense mechanism to the culture shock of the super liberal west or simply for the binding/ community effects religion has on small minority groups . I also wouldn't underestimate the power of peer pressure / fear of shame / re-enforcing of identity for survival. Anyway many of the old school Somalis in high government / academia were irreligious.
Now that you mention it I remember passing more nightclubs than mosques in Mogadishu. Actually I only knew of one mosque and one church.
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Biography wrote:
If Siad Barre was a christian then Marilyn Monroe sang in my grandmothers private concert.
You can't disprove it can you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

He was an opportunist despot totalitarian military dictator who has openly executed his foes including muslim scholars because they opposed his policies. he would have converted to budhism if it will deliver him arms and funds to oppress his own people.

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Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
He was an opportunist despot totalitarian military dictator who has openly executed his foes including muslim scholars because they opposed his policies. he would have converted to budhism if it will deliver him arms and funds to oppress his own people.
Oppress his own people? I thought you supported his secularism. Bipolar maybe?
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Oppress his own people? I thought you supported his secularism. Bipolar maybe?
What makes you think that I will support a despotic dictator? Is it just because he is a secularist? No, madam. once again, you failed to figure me out correctly.

The discussion is why was siad barre willing to join the christian fundamentalists in prayers to jesus and fought muslim activists locally?

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Sheikh Voodoo wrote:
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What makes you think that I will support a despotic dictator? Is it just because he is a secularist? No, madam. once again, you failed to figure me out correctly.
The discussion is why was siad barre willing to join the christian fundamentalists in prayers to jesus and fought muslim activists locally?
Why don't you ask him? You're making a thread about his personal beliefs as if we have the answers?

You think you're a gift to humanity when you're nothing but a piece of work.
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Biography wrote:
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Why don't you ask him? You're making a thread about his personal beliefs as if we have the answers?
You think you're a gift to humanity when you're nothing but a piece of work.
did you mean a "piece of (art) work"?

why are you so defensive of him? we are discussing his legacy and if you have nothing to contribute, there will be hundred of threads that may appeal to you here worth respondong to about somali bantus. or, are you infatuated with me?

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