Science and Technology: Albanian scientists discuss alternative...

A Tirana conference focuses on boosting the use of renewable energy sources such as hydrogen, wind or solar power.

[Adela Vilza]

Sounds good, but how are they going to achieve that and when?
It's about time...

[albania_page]

To all of the Albanian people would be more more wise if u had to belive in no god but knowledge. You gain nothing by beliving in god, Shqiptare nga te gjitha anet e botes, do te jete nje veprim shume i zhvilluar ne qofte se te gjithe ne shqipetaret ndertojme nje faqe te re per pikture a vendit shqipetar. Dhe nje dite gjithashtu dhe bota e jashtme do ta kuptoje se kush shqipetaret me te vertete jane. Per te vepruar shume zgjuarsi ne shqipetaret nuk na duhet zoti por na duhet dituria, dhe per ta fituar kete dituri ne na duhet ta leme mbrapa fene tone per ata qe besojne.

[Aele- UK]

And you lose nothing either by believing or am I wrong? There is a famous quote that goes like this: "Better live believing that there is a god to die and find out that there isn't one, than live believing there is no god to die and find out that there was one all along" God doesn't stop you from doing the work, in fact he should inspire you even more...thus there is a lot to be gained by believing in God or at least nothing is lost.

[Ma Kap]

Science has never dispute the existence of god, therefore why must you? If you are what you claim to be "A scientist" than by all reasonings you should also believe in a higher power. It will not hurt people to believe in something greater, it will further not help if someone "tries" to convince them of that such things may not exist! Do you know that there is no God? Have you done scientific research on this matter? Cab science even prove that there is no God? Of course not!

Vlla, zoti nuk asht problemi i popullit tone. Ne kemi probleme shum ma te mdhaja se zotin! Rruget jane keq, politikant jane vjellcake te poshtur, etj... Mos u merr me gjana qe nuk e ndihmojne popullin tone, mendoju si ti ndihmosh pa pase nevoje me ju kallxua qe nuk ka Zot.

Translation.

Brother, "God" is not the problem of our people. We have much bigger problems than the issue "does he or does he not exist". Our roads are f...ked up, the politicians are robbers, etc... Don't worry about things that do not have the best interest for our people, think how to help them without trying to explain to them that "there is no god".

God (or whom ever) bless you!

[Aele- UK]

Ma Kap wrote:

Science has never dispute the existence of god, therefore why must you? If you are what you claim to be "A scientist" than by all reasonings you should also believe in a higher power. It will not hurt people to believe in something greater, it will further not help if someone "tries" to convince them of that such things may not exist! Do you know that there is no God? Have you done scientific research on this matter? Cab science even prove that there is no God? Of course not!
Vlla, zoti nuk asht problemi i popullit tone. Ne kemi probleme shum ma te mdhaja se zotin! Rruget jane keq, politikant jane vjellcake te poshtur, etj... Mos u merr me gjana qe nuk e ndihmojne popullin tone, mendoju si ti ndihmosh pa pase nevoje me ju kallxua qe nuk ka Zot.
Translation.
Brother, "God" is not the problem of our people. We have much bigger problems than the issue "does he or does he not exist". Our roads are f...ked up, the politicians are robbers, etc... Don't worry about things that do not have the best interest for our people, think how to help them without trying to explain to them that "there is no god".
God (or whom ever) bless you!

Ma Kap I don't think his views are quite clear on the subject. If you wish to help Albania, than do so stop looking and God and let others believe what they want... in no country has belief in God made people under perform. If you are a scientist than contribute with what you can and do your part, and if everyone joins in the cause and contributes than something will be done, stop blaming God for anything cos it is because of him/her that we all exist.

May God Bless all of us!

[Aele- UK]

***If you wish to help Albania, than do so, stop looking at God and let others believe what they want**** Correction of the above!(Obviously for the attention of albania_page)

[albania_page]

Well UK! What do you know about Albania 5 millenium in war against Turks, 45 years shutdown from in and out Albania. Well Europe accuse Albania 70% of the population muslim do you think that is a good news for a true Albanian, i don't think so you do understand my opinion what i'm trying to say here, is because we have no time for those who live in Albania go and pray 5 bloody times a day and one thing is that we have the bloody mousque ( whatever is called ) in the middle of our capital city Tirana. What opinion do you have if you are a true English ( because i don't know who you are ) person and you see a big mousque in the middle of beautiful London city what would you say to me to your gov and to your patriotic people, face the reality. We Albanians don't have any religion like the rest of the world does we are the sons of eagle we call it shqiperia and that is our faith our religion whatever you and the world would call it. I'm not trying to be a racist here i'm trying to explain that we Albanians have no time to pray and destroy our beautiful culture because of religions even the language is changing everyday in foreign dialects what the hell do you know about it you don't if you were Albanian you might understand because you know history very well i've read some of your comment very impress. We first need to change the gov issues, because are them who who sell Albanian culture for money. For all the Albanins who are in Albania we need to put our gov down with force as well, neither the socialist or the democratic are making any difference or progress in Albania, they are only stealing from our beautiful Albania.

Hope you understand my point UK.
Nice day to you, take care mate.
http://www.myspace.com/albania_page

[Aele- UK]

albania_page wrote:

Well UK! What do you know about Albania 5 millenium in war against Turks, 45 years shutdown from in and out Albania. Well Europe accuse Albania 70% of the population muslim do you think that is a good news for a true Albanian, i don't think so you do understand my opinion what i'm trying to say here, is because we have no time for those who live in Albania go and pray 5 bloody times a day and one thing is that we have the bloody mousque ( whatever is called ) in the middle of our capital city Tirana. What opinion do you have if you are a true English ( because i don't know who you are ) person and you see a big mousque in the middle of beautiful London city what would you say to me to your gov and to your patriotic people, face the reality. We Albanians don't have any religion like the rest of the world does we are the sons of eagle we call it shqiperia and that is our faith our religion whatever you and the world would call it. I'm not trying to be a racist here i'm trying to explain that we Albanians have no time to pray and destroy our beautiful culture because of religions even the language is changing everyday in foreign dialects what the hell do you know about it you don't if you were Albanian you might understand because you know history very well i've read some of your comment very impress. We first need to change the gov issues, because are them who who sell Albanian culture for money. For all the Albanins who are in Albania we need to put our gov down with force as well, neither the socialist or the democratic are making any difference or progress in Albania, they are only stealing from our beautiful Albania.
Hope you understand my point UK.
Nice day to you, take care mate.
http://www.myspace.com/albania_page

Firstly 5 milleniums=5000 years, you were under ottoman rule for 500years = 5 centuries.
Secondly, i am an Albanologist and have great knowledge about anything concerning Albania. In fact i am currently learning Albanian since i travel there almost every year during summer, cos i simply love the nature there.
Thirdly we have huge mosques built across London, that makes no difference to normal people although it might to those who are racist and 'religiousist'(discriminating against religion, cos that word doesn't really exist in english so its made up). As far as i know and have seen in Albania, people are really not concerned that much with religious differences so it matters not to them about a mosque in the middle of the city. Albania has absolutely no religious conflicts to hold people back from working for a better Albania, certainly they don't pray 5 times a day and those who do are only a small minority. Religious activity does not threaten the society, rather deep rooted corruption and un-professional politicians play a key part in all this. More attention should be paid to creating a true elite which quite frankly Albania seriously lacks, since the brain drain of the 1990's and even these days those who finish university leave straight away. So you should be aiming to address those issues not religion.

I hope my comment explains to you well, that religion should not be a issue for discussion but a whole load of other problems should instead.

[albania_page]

Aele- UK wrote:

<quoted text>
Firstly 5 milleniums=5000 years, you were under ottoman rule for 500years = 5 centuries.
Secondly, i am an Albanologist and have great knowledge about anything concerning Albania. In fact i am currently learning Albanian since i travel there almost every year during summer, cos i simply love the nature there.
Thirdly we have huge mosques built across London, that makes no difference to normal people although it might to those who are racist and 'religiousist'(discriminating against religion, cos that word doesn't really exist in english so its made up). As far as i know and have seen in Albania, people are really not concerned that much with religious differences so it matters not to them about a mosque in the middle of the city. Albania has absolutely no religious conflicts to hold people back from working for a better Albania, certainly they don't pray 5 times a day and those who do are only a small minority. Religious activity does not threaten the society, rather deep rooted corruption and un-professional politicians play a key part in all this. More attention should be paid to creating a true elite which quite frankly Albania seriously lacks, since the brain drain of the 1990's and even these days those who finish university leave straight away. So you should be aiming to address those issues not religion.
I hope my comment explains to you well, that religion should not be a issue for discussion but a whole load of other problems should instead.

Sorry was my mistake the millenium. The main point is that, when i'm ready to go back to albania and live in Tirana would you think that i would be suprise by hearing 3 to 5 times a day the pray and in the capital! Of course no. Suppose the british build and huge masive mousque in the middle of leicester square now you tell me coz if i had to say face the reality again and again, the definition of reality wouldn't concerne anymore, because the word relality is just a fantasy of human image, coz the reality it self is in our brain and not outsite. Is like the brain process 400 billion processes in a second and we only use 2000 thousands of them in a second so where would the rest be how come we can't be able to use the rest of them, were is the reality here there isn't any reality, is just a base of imagination because if we had to use those 400 billions process in a second and we might be able to see what the reality is. Is a fact of science:

And about religion in Albania is not the people that i care of, i don't care about the people coz they might be left over from atoman empire, all i care is that we have a beautful culture from the illyrians and it still stand in some part of albania but this people of religious are changing everything and i don't like this. The GOV are Wankers because they sell albania for money to the greeks and italians.

Even the music in Albania is most of it turkish, greek, egyptian, gypsy, were is the tradition mate. There isn't anymore because of religous people, religion should not be aloud into the country at all even private not.

I'm not racis about religion all i care of is the culture in Albania.

And thats why i don't like religion in Albania
Albania religion is shqiperia and we belong as shqiptare.

[Aele- UK]

albania_page wrote:

<quoted text>
Sorry was my mistake the millenium. The main point is that, when i'm ready to go back to albania and live in Tirana would you think that i would be suprise by hearing 3 to 5 times a day the pray and in the capital! Of course no. Suppose the british build and huge masive mousque in the middle of leicester square now you tell me coz if i had to say face the reality again and again, the definition of reality wouldn't concerne anymore, because the word relality is just a fantasy of human image, coz the reality it self is in our brain and not outsite. Is like the brain process 400 billion processes in a second and we only use 2000 thousands of them in a second so where would the rest be how come we can't be able to use the rest of them, were is the reality here there isn't any reality, is just a base of imagination because if we had to use those 400 billions process in a second and we might be able to see what the reality is. Is a fact of science:
And about religion in Albania is not the people that i care of, i don't care about the people coz they might be left over from atoman empire, all i care is that we have a beautful culture from the illyrians and it still stand in some part of albania but this people of religious are changing everything and i don't like this. The GOV are Wankers because they sell albania for money to the greeks and italians.
Even the music in Albania is most of it turkish, greek, egyptian, gypsy, were is the tradition mate. There isn't anymore because of religous people, religion should not be aloud into the country at all even private not.
I'm not racis about religion all i care of is the culture in Albania.
And thats why i don't like religion in Albania
Albania religion is shqiperia and we belong as shqiptare.

You said it yourself, they sell for money...IT HAS NOTHING to do with religion no one decides to make music turkish or egyptian because of religion but because that suits their taste its all comercial. The people of Albania were not brought by ottomans they are ethnic Albanians, in fact massive numbers of Albanians were taken away to the anatolian deserts in order to disperse them. Don't blame religion concentrate on inventions innovation and other things useful stop wasting your time with something that clearly has nothing to do with any of this, i believe you are very confused with your thoughts. it is in human nature that we can only use somewhere between 3-5% of our brain capacity and that is certainly nothing to do with religion, it is very easy to blame something on another just to make it feel better but if you take religion away don't dream that people all of sudden are gonna perform miracles it is the inner ego that makes a person good and willing to make changes not religion.

[Bajlozi]

albania_page wrote:

<quoted text>
Sorry was my mistake the millenium. The main point is that, when i'm ready to go back to albania and live in Tirana would you think that i would be suprise by hearing 3 to 5 times a day the pray and in the capital! Of course no. Suppose the british build and huge masive mousque in the middle of leicester square now you tell me coz if i had to say face the reality again and again, the definition of reality wouldn't concerne anymore, because the word relality is just a fantasy of human image, coz the reality it self is in our brain and not outsite. Is like the brain process 400 billion processes in a second and we only use 2000 thousands of them in a second so where would the rest be how come we can't be able to use the rest of them, were is the reality here there isn't any reality, is just a base of imagination because if we had to use those 400 billions process in a second and we might be able to see what the reality is. Is a fact of science:
And about religion in Albania is not the people that i care of, i don't care about the people coz they might be left over from atoman empire, all i care is that we have a beautful culture from the illyrians and it still stand in some part of albania but this people of religious are changing everything and i don't like this. The GOV are Wankers because they sell albania for money to the greeks and italians.
Even the music in Albania is most of it turkish, greek, egyptian, gypsy, were is the tradition mate. There isn't anymore because of religous people, religion should not be aloud into the country at all even private not.
I'm not racis about religion all i care of is the culture in Albania.
And thats why i don't like religion in Albania
Albania religion is shqiperia and we belong as shqiptare.

Hi,

just because someone is muslim does not mean they are turks, you are alienating a lot of albanians that "were born in a so called Muslim family" when we all know where we come from.

I was born to a muslim family, on my mothers side my grandfather is muslim but his brother is catholic, does that make me Muslim???

No.

I am proud Albanian and i will die as one but before that i would be happyto see the day when there will be no differences between muslims, orthodox or catholics Albanians.

That was not a problem before so do not start dividing us now.

Albani

[Bajlozi]

Aele- UK wrote:

<quoted text>
You said it yourself, they sell for money...IT HAS NOTHING to do with religion no one decides to make music turkish or egyptian because of religion but because that suits their taste its all comercial. The people of Albania were not brought by ottomans they are ethnic Albanians, in fact massive numbers of Albanians were taken away to the anatolian deserts in order to disperse them. Don't blame religion concentrate on inventions innovation and other things useful stop wasting your time with something that clearly has nothing to do with any of this, i believe you are very confused with your thoughts. it is in human nature that we can only use somewhere between 3-5% of our brain capacity and that is certainly nothing to do with religion, it is very easy to blame something on another just to make it feel better but if you take religion away don't dream that people all of sudden are gonna perform miracles it is the inner ego that makes a person good and willing to make changes not religion.

Aele UK,

i take my hat off to you my friend,

you have settled quite a few arguments in this forum and your comments have been a great joy to read.

Me (previously posting under the nickname Alpha) and Ma Kap have been doing the same here for quite a while.

Hope to continue reading your messages and hope you are well

[albania_page]

As an

Aele- UK wrote:

<quoted text>
You said it yourself, they sell for money...IT HAS NOTHING to do with religion no one decides to make music turkish or egyptian because of religion but because that suits their taste its all comercial. The people of Albania were not brought by ottomans they are ethnic Albanians, in fact massive numbers of Albanians were taken away to the anatolian deserts in order to disperse them. Don't blame religion concentrate on inventions innovation and other things useful stop wasting your time with something that clearly has nothing to do with any of this, i believe you are very confused with your thoughts. it is in human nature that we can only use somewhere between 3-5% of our brain capacity and that is certainly nothing to do with religion, it is very easy to blame something on another just to make it feel better but if you take religion away don't dream that people all of sudden are gonna perform miracles it is the inner ego that makes a person good and willing to make changes not religion.

just for a fact you didn't tell me, suppose you had a masive mosque in london right at westminister center. Please tell me the truth if you were Pure English would you like it to be right there, if you say yes i would say you are not english, because i know who english people are i work and live with them, never can such a thing happen. Why does in Albania. The true Albanian are not muslim and for those who were born in a muslim family were those people with no imagination of the fact what religion is after 45 years of atheism. I guess those people needed a help of need didn't even know what religion is after 45 years. But few muslim investors from far-east came over build up mousque in the beginning of democracy, people were in the need of help so those people learn the albanian that the only help you can get is allah or god whatever is called and from than religion in albania once and for all is 70 bloody % muslims....

gosh give me a break will ya, how can a nation after 45 years of atheism become a muslim...

well you are telling me that no one is selling albania, i wouls say to you turn the light on coz you are in the dark my dear friend.

even king zog made the value of gold less expensive than paper money at that time he was in the power, and after he collected all the gold from albanian he came and sold it in united kindom.

i would say well done king zog you done your bit for albania you fucked us up big time...

well now we have fatos nano which is a greek part
and on the other site we have sali berisha which is far-east site

and well where is the albanian part the president
mmmm forgat is the italian part

sooo there is no albanian part but they love to run albania so they could steal any time they want too who cares for the true albanians

you have to experience the fact and not the image of albania coz i say nothing is true what so ever they say

is just a fake world back in albania because is not the people that do it are the goverment that forces people to do sooooo but well still our foult

if i say put them down is not a chance you can do that coz they run and control everything

they'r the maffians

* welcome to the real world *

THE LAND OF EAGLES.

[Jovi]

It's stupid to connect God and science.
Christ did miracles out of the science because also a scientist can believe...
I can be a scientist and maybe..I am the best christian of the world now...

[albania_page]

Jovi wrote:

It's stupid to connect God and science.
Christ did miracles out of the science because also a scientist can believe...
I can be a scientist and maybe..I am the best christian of the world now...

It will be for those who belive in religion state of mind. But i'm sorry to break this 2 you.
If you see yourself in the mirror, suppose that you see yourself in the universe. What would you see?
Mmmm i belive wouldn't be any god there because you would see yourself who you truly are, because in this lonely world of ours that is left behind people are two minded. And well two minded people only think and not belive is a fact of science that you can't break it in peaces even if you try to make it up or pretend still won't work for those who aren't brain washed. Get the picture my dear friend.

If i still had to say to you that there is no god, well it woudn't make sense to you. Because i already know my answer. Shame on you that you have been told wrongly. Because what you think is only an image and not a fact.

But science is a fact, and for those who are scientist and belive in god i'm sorry but you just pretend to be one, because they can see the truth and not knowing. Knowing is a make up story, seeing is a fact of truth.

Turn on the light:

Maybe you might find the answer:
THE LAND OF EAGLES www.myspace.com/albania_page

[Jovi]

I am not interested if you are not a believer.
Everyone can believe what he sees...but everybody work...study...and want to love...
My opinion is that atheists want to be the owners of the universe...but my opinion is that an atheist is not a great student...

[albania_page]

Jovi wrote:

I am not interested if you are not a believer.
Everyone can believe what he sees...but everybody work...study...and want to love...
My opinion is that atheists want to be the owners of the universe...but my opinion is that an atheist is not a great student...

read again and you might get the point, other wise don't reply.

[Jovi]

albania_page wrote:

<quoted text>
read again and you might get the point, other wise don't reply.

Maybe the problem is that you know only some kind of christians...
There are (very little) christians who reject science but this is not our christian rule...
Also I know some italian atheist riches(especially) who say to be christians and then say to be against science...

[UNIX]

First of all I didn't have time to read all these posts, but 1 thing I know, albanian_page is absolutely wrong about this believe issue.

A questions to albania_page.
All technology is based on 101010 (binary system). Who were those who invented the number?
You would say "I don't know", or "who cares".

I would be happy if you find it out who they were. I still think they were moslims who believed in god and still believe in the Greatest!

Regards

[RENI]

I m proud of to see albanians being patriotic .
It is a good start but we have a long journey ahead.
One of them is
Flisni shqip ne forume shqiptare nqs. doni me ruajtur gjuhen the traditen tone.