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#418 Mar 27, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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wise Hungarians make up a bigger portion of Vojvodina than Serbs of Kosovo.
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Serbs in Kosovo make a bigger % than Croats in Montenegro Central Serbia Vojvodina and or Kosovo

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#419 Mar 27, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Let me put it this way, we have been the majority in Vojvodina longer than Kosovo was under Serbian administration.
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What you failed to acknowledge was that I specifically said that the Hungarians had made a majority in some of the northern regions of Vojvodina, but only for a short period. In fact you had omitted that.

The Albanian situation in Kosovo is different in that it is not due to the normal processes of assimilation as is the case in Vojvodina. What we have in Kosovo are vested interests from outside powers that have created an unnatural state of affairs in which many Serbs have been forced out recently or relegated to areas such Metohija. A comparison can’t be made with Vojvodina. For instance there are Serb refugees from Kosovo in areas like Sumadija, we met some last time I was in Serbia.

I like the fact you mention WW2. In the same way that the illegal incursions by unauthorised Hungarians was checked in Serbia so will a correction occur against the illegal puppet ‘government’ in Prishtina. The economics and politics will force that issue. Look at this way, Kosovo will eventually have to go to Serbia or Albania, and Albania is too primitive to support the transition of new territory. These primitive mini ethnic states are nothing but artificial buffers created by a tottering EU to keep a control over Slavs.

You need to use history in the right context TRM. The legacy of Serbian civilisation, including those monasteries falls in line with the rightful Serbian claim to Kosovo. I already mentioned that no medieval conflict occurred between the Serbs and Albanians of the Kosovo region for the fact that Albanians only started to trickle into the region sometime at the close of the medieval era, and especially after that period. Albanian movements always coincided with the Ottomans.

‘Around the 17th century, there is evidence of an increasingly visible Albanian population initially concentrated in Metohia. It has been claimed this was the result of migrations out of the south-west (i.e. modern Albania), and that the putative migrants brought Islam with them. There is certainly evidence of migration: many Kosovo Albanians have surnames characteristic of inhabitants of the northern Albanian region of Malësi. However, many others do not. It is also clear a small number of Slavs - presumably members of the Serbian Orthodox Church - converted to Islam under Ottoman rule.’

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Kosovo

This is also the reason I pointed out to individual Albanians that they are part Serb by origin as opposed to the other way around. Anything Illyrian in Albanians is by way of the Dinaric Slavs.
Your usage of individual treaties and minor skirmishes is irrelevant in this context as far as Vojvodina is concerned.

I haven’t dodged any points. Far from it. The continued Serbian and Slavic legacy of Vojvodina can never be discounted. The Hungarians have influenced the region as a guest ethnic minority, especially during the years of their haphazard ascendancy, bolstered and made civilised by the settled Indo European Slavs, Latins and Germans of course. Also we can’t discount the fact modern Hungarians are part Vlah.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#420 Mar 27, 2013
Anyway, when it comes to neigbouring disputes, I have ALWAYS been a person of compromise.

I personally am willing to admit that Serbian claims on Vojvodina are not completly ridiculous.

In fact, I will say that both Serbs and Hungarians have historic and ethnic claims on PARTS of Vojvodina.

Now, here is the ethnic reality in 1910
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55...

Both Serbs and Hungarians make up about a third of the population,(the number of Serbs being slightly bigger).

Now, it is obvious that it was EASY to draw borders in such a way that the Hungarians in Vojvodina are minimalized. Hungarians were concentrated in the North.

What SHOULD have happened, is that the ethnic Hungarian areas remained part of Hungary, the ethnic Serb areas remained part of Serbia, and the non Serb and non Hungarian areas in between should have held a referendum, deciding where they want to go.

The issue was, that Vojvodina (Where Serbs did NOT constitute the majority) was treated as a single block, in order to maximise Yugoslav territorial gains.

In the region of Bácska for example, Serbs only made 18% of the population, while Hungarians were 45%.

Personally, I think this is a very fair conclusion to make. I went out of my way here to reach common ground, don't disappoint me (sadly you probably will, I am probably being naive again). So go on Strahd, dissappoint me.

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#421 Mar 27, 2013
Trying to exactly fit ethnic categories along linguistic lines can never be perfect. The fact is no one type of Slav or German or even Turk ever existed, rather we have variations depended on the regional influences. These influences can be paleo Balkan, Danubian, Baltic or even eastern Indo Aryan, all have influenced the Slavic peoples to some degree. The genetic markers merely highlight some of these influences. Just as easy to claim the two unrelated Pashtun ancient Sarbans and Turkic Sabir migrated from central and eastern Europe.

Also, how can the Slavic Indo European speaking Serbs be primitive when they are the holders of one of the most enlightened Medieval civilisations to have existed. When Hungarians are mentioned it is always in conjunction with the Slavs or Austrians. In Vojvodina Hungarians are the guest people.

As for a55 kicking. Those informative links by Marko should clear that up for anyone.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#422 Mar 27, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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What you failed to acknowledge was that I specifically said that the Hungarians had made a majority in some of the northern regions of Vojvodina, but only for a short period. In fact you had omitted that.
The "only for a short period" has no truth in it whatsoever.
Strahd, you only see what you want, and you are a greedy imperialist who wants as much land as possible, and a hypocrite too.

You always babble on about demographics, while totally ignoring Serbs being a minority in Kosovo.

And Hungarian "incursions" in Délvidék were certainly not illegal.

You exaggerate Serb claims, while undermine Hungarian claims. Just admit that you are a two faced hypocrite who wants to justify Serbian land theft, and Serbs Serbifying the region, so we can all move on.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#423 Mar 27, 2013
Anyway Strahd, the reality is, Kosovo is new, Vojvodina happened a while ago.

In 40-50 years time, Albanians will use exactly the same arguments to you, that you are using against me.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#424 Mar 27, 2013
Strahd wrote:
Also, how can the Slavic Indo European speaking Serbs be primitive when they are the holders of one of the most enlightened Medieval civilisations to have existed. When Hungarians are mentioned it is always in conjunction with the Slavs or Austrians. In Vojvodina Hungarians are the guest people.
As for a55 kicking. Those informative links by Marko should clear that up for anyone.
This "enlightened state of yours" has 25% uneployment and a very bad future.

And what do you mean always in conjunction with Slavs or Austrians. WTF? Are you another moron that the only part of Hungarian history is Austria-Hungary?

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#425 Mar 27, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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The "only for a short period" has no truth in it whatsoever.
Strahd, you only see what you want, and you are a greedy imperialist who wants as much land as possible, and a hypocrite too.
You always babble on about demographics, while totally ignoring Serbs being a minority in Kosovo.
And Hungarian "incursions" in Délvidék were certainly not illegal.
You exaggerate Serb claims, while undermine Hungarian claims. Just admit that you are a two faced hypocrite who wants to justify Serbian land theft, and Serbs Serbifying the region, so we can all move on.
What you just said is BS and we both know it. If that was the case why am I not trying to lay claim to Serbian enclaves in Hungary and Romania today, or even Croatia. There are small Serbian communities in these other outlying areas and I am happy for them to stay under the jurisdiction of the other host nations.

I am not an imperialist, but a realist.

The description conniving thieving imperialist fits you well.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#426 Mar 27, 2013
1) No part of Hungary was part of the Serbian state. Any Serb claims on Hungary would be as ridiculous as Hungarians claiming Kosovo as our own. But in fact Chetniks did claim more land from Hungary than what you were given.
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3) you are a chauvinist who wants Serbia to be as big as possible and does not care why and how it happened, and who gave it to you. In your case you directly support the actions of Western Imperialists, Zionists, who wanted to get rid of weaken Germany and Austria-Hungary.
Austria and Hungary were severaly crippled so Germany did not have a big and industrial ally to call upon. Learn more WW1 history than what they taught you in your hippie politically correct school.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#427 Mar 27, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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I am not an imperialist, but a realist.
Strahd in 2009: Kosovo will be part of Serbia again in a few years.
2010: Kosovo will be Serbian again soon, maybe in a years time.
2011: I think today is the day, when Kosovo will join Serbia.
2012: I am 99% sure Kosovo will be Serbian again this month.
2013: Kosovo will soon return to the Serbian economic sphere. When this happens we will have 40% unemployment.

2020: Kosovo will be part of Serbia soon, I am sure
2030: Kosovo will definitely join Serbia soon.
2060: For fcks sake, when will Kosovo join Serbia, and why am I the only person caring about.it? And the arguments Albanians are using against me seem familiar ,did I not use similar ones against TRM? Damn he was a great guy, too bad I alienated him by defiling his nation and heritage.
Louise

Toronto, Canada

#428 Mar 27, 2013
Nadrelle wrote:
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Racism!! When its concerning Serbs and thier disgusting mentality, its NOT racism! Its normal!
And you can take your misinterpretation shove it in your a55!
Pigoservia!!
Wow as a Canadian who isn't Bulgarian or Serbian you guys sound awfully infantile. The names you are calling each other reminds me of primary school kids who really don't understand life yet. Sad.
Vladimir1988

Podgorica, Montenegro

#429 Mar 27, 2013
Magyar guy, you're delusional.
Magyars in Vojvodina are part of Vojvodina, and an important part of culture there. They are not repressed in any way.
Vojvodina historically changed hands, it was mostly under Hungarian state, but always had Slavic element in population.
Unlike this Australian guy, I'm not delusional nationalist, Kosovo is lost. Only thing I care is preserving what remains of Serbian heritage there and those Serbs remaining in north. When Tasci and his criminal government is removed, and replaced by normal people, everything will be fine. Albanians are not subhumans or anything, just uneducated, poor and backward people suffering from 50 years of repressive communism and remnants of tribal society.
Besides, about Vojvodina, there is a thing called international law. State of Hungary accepted it's territorial losses after WW I/II, and therefore entire region of Vojvodina is de jure Serbian territory.
Magyars aren't worth less or more than any Serbian citizen, they aren't expelled, killed, and their culture and language aren't persecuted. You have no moral right to claim something just because it was yours 90 years ago. That's not how the world works, at least not in 21st century.
If Magyars don't like living in Serbian state, they can leave any moment. However, they don't do that, and I hope they don't do that. Hungarian culture is rich and losing it would be a shame.
And instead of remembering bad times, remember all those times Magyars and Serbs died side by side, most notably during Ottoman period.
Remember that Magyars and Serbs in Vojvodina live peacefully for the last 60 years.
And finally, remember that Hungary is surrounded by states which won't be happy with you claiming territory left and right.
Besides, I know you maybe don't realize that, but you are showing your people and country in bad light. Referencing Ustasha genocide, wanting to exterminate Serbs, calling us subhuman etc. While Serbs have been most patient in discussing with you without going overboard.
History is history, future is future. We shouldn't forget our history, but we shouldn't be slave to history.
Rather than slaughtering each other, how about cooperating with your neighbors, with whom you have more in common than with English, or French, or Spanish?
Then it won't matter whether Magyar is living in Serbia or Hungary, because he will have good life everywhere, and he will most importantly feel home (like they're feeling now, but you obviously deny that).
Lastly, do you know who Zoltán Dani is? Ethnic Magyar, who fought for Serbia during 1999. War, and shot down F-117, supposed American 'stealth' plane.
Now think, if Magyars hate it here so much, would they risk their life to fight for this state? I don't think so. Magyars here are inseparable part of Serbia, they are like our own people.
Hope you stop thinking so badly of other nations, not everyone is same. You can be a good man or a bad man, ethnicity is irrelevant in that case.
Vladimir1988

Podgorica, Montenegro

#430 Mar 27, 2013
*btw before you use 'you're from Montenegro' argument, my mother is from Vojvodina, so I know what I'm talking about
Kurvatica

Australia

#431 Mar 27, 2013
If hes a magyar then he should be ashamed of the lack of knowledge about his own heritage.
Strahd

Australia

#432 Mar 28, 2013
Louise wrote:
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Wow as a Canadian who isn't Bulgarian or Serbian you guys sound awfully infantile. The names you are calling each other reminds me of primary school kids who really don't understand life yet. Sad.
Hello Louise
Strahd

Australia

#433 Mar 28, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Strahd in 2009: Kosovo will be part of Serbia again in a few years.
2010: Kosovo will be Serbian again soon, maybe in a years time.
2011: I think today is the day, when Kosovo will join Serbia.
2012: I am 99% sure Kosovo will be Serbian again this month.
2013: Kosovo will soon return to the Serbian economic sphere. When this happens we will have 40% unemployment.
2020: Kosovo will be part of Serbia soon, I am sure
2030: Kosovo will definitely join Serbia soon.
2060: For fcks sake, when will Kosovo join Serbia, and why am I the only person caring about.it? And the arguments Albanians are using against me seem familiar ,did I not use similar ones against TRM? Damn he was a great guy, too bad I alienated him by defiling his nation and heritage.
Enough of your BS. Your just a Hungarian romanticist of the radical cuckoo sort that wants every piece of European land wherever Hungarian minorities live. You have also been undermined here on Serb topix and shown to be nothing more than a little lying cowardly opportunist greedy and hungry for Slovak, Serb, Romanian and Ukrainian land. Look at you try and attack me personally when nothing else is left you. You call me a hypocrite and a two faced liar, and why is that ? Simply cause I rightfully stated that Vojvodina belonged to the Serbs.

Why your fraudulent posts ? Are you so stupid that you think other Slavs, notably Serbs here will say ‘hey that RealMagyar dude is right in that Magyar nomads should carve out an empire from neighbouring Slavic countries such as Slovakia and Serbia’. What is your target audience? I think you have lost the plot.

You are the weasel and the hypocrite here. You cheered the Nato bombings of Serbia. You call others EU a55 lickers, communists and Jews, but you have been one of the biggest supporters of EU policies against the Serbs. Even here you called the bombing of Serbia by Nato ‘interesting’ and you have been vocal in earlier posts on the issue of the Nato bombing of the late 1990’s.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/serbia/TE5UO...

I know 100 percent that if Zionists offered to support Hungarian separatists in Vojvodina against the Serbs, you would let them mount you and you would buck wilder than a horse at the rodeo hahaha. That’s a fact by the way you fake sht.Si prava muska kurva.

Since: Sep 12

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#434 Mar 28, 2013
How Sweeet Strahd talking about zionists, when Trianon was kosher as fck.

And strahd you hypocrite, you cheer the destruction and partitions of Hungary. So I dont know what your issue is.

And I am definitelly not a supporter of the EU,and neither is my country.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#435 Mar 28, 2013
Kurvatica wrote:
If hes a magyar then he should be ashamed of the lack of knowledge about his own heritage.
Oh believe me, I know a lot about my heritage, while you and Strahd know very litte about it.
Strahd probably knows more about the British empire than Serbia.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#436 Mar 28, 2013
Anyway Strahd, Zionists despise our guts, and never offered help to us. They were the ones who dismantled our country in thr first place. And it was Serbia who let herself be mounted by Zionists in WW1 and WW2, while we were on the correct side.
Strahd

Australia

#437 Mar 28, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Anyway Strahd, Zionists despise our guts, and never offered help to us. They were the ones who dismantled our country in thr first place. And it was Serbia who let herself be mounted by Zionists in WW1 and WW2, while we were on the correct side.
So what is this ? Do you want to have some pissing competition who is hated more by the Jews.

The Jews have influence in the west, you name it, in the media, finance, political pull, the Yanks always go to Israel to suck Zionist cck whilst Slavs are screwed over.

I didn't see the Jews lobby and influence their compatriots in Nato in support of Serbia. Actually the reverse.

You talk about WW1 and WW2, but the Hungarians have fallen for the EU spiel hook line and sinker. Are you speaking only for yourself here or the rest of the Hungarians.

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