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#152 Apr 18, 2013
Kushtrim wrote:
Even your candy a55 wisegeek site states that in the late 6th century, the Slavic people arrived in the Balkans, and began to settle, assimilating Kosovo into their various kingdoms and empires, including the Serbian Kingdom.

‘With the power vacuum left by Serbia, the Ottoman Empire moved into the region, quickly creating Kosovo as a territory of the Empire. Over the next few centuries, the Ottomans pushed a campaign of Islamization, reducing the Christian population of the region drastically, and forcing a large segment of the population to leave. Around the mid-17th century, the Albanian population of Kosovo began to increase substantially, likely as a result of a small number of large migrations from what is now Albania’

This corresponds with what I said about the Albanians moving into the region with the fortunes of the Ottomans.

It is interesting to note that within historically documented sources we are only aware of a largely Slavic presence in Kosovo, whereas in generic statements the popular Albanian propaganda line

‘but it appears that the region was controlled at different times by various Thracian and Illyrian tribes, the ancestors of the Albanian people’

The only thing we can be sure off prior to Slavic settlements of Kosovo was that it was under the Roman Empire at one time. The leap between localised Illyrians and modern Albanians is a leap of faith, no documentation, historic or linguistic study proves the claim by Albanian mythologists post Enver Hoxha period about a direct Illyrian origin for the siptars.

Reading on

‘In the late 17th century, the Habsburgs invaded, driving the Ottoman forces back through Kosovo. Many Serbs and Albanians joined in the fight on both sides, and when the Ottomans drove the Habsburgs back out, they also brutalized many of the residents of Kosovo in retaliation. A huge exodus of Serbs resulted, with hundreds of thousands leaving the region. More Albanians immigrated to take over this land and fill the void left by the departing Serbs.’

Again, this corroborates what I have been saying about the Ottomans settling Kosovo with siptar savages.
Still further

‘A decade later, with newfound power in the wake of World War II, the Albanians killed and pushed out around a hundred-thousand Serbs from the region’

The illegal Albanian land grab that occurred under the auspice of the Third Reich. Very similar to what is occurring at the moment.
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Anonymous

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#153 Apr 18, 2013
Such events just happen, Strahd. Polabian Slavs have been eradcated by Germans, Sudettenland Germans (Sudettenland's original inhabitants, because nobody lived in those mountains prior to them) have been eradicated by Slavs. That's history.. The Albanian immigration into Kosovo was much like what we wittnessed in northern Cyprus after 1974, where new settlers from Turkey had been encouraged to settle down.

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#154 Apr 18, 2013
Karolcik wrote:
Such events just happen, Strahd. Polabian Slavs have been eradcated by Germans, Sudettenland Germans (Sudettenland's original inhabitants, because nobody lived in those mountains prior to them) have been eradicated by Slavs. That's history.. The Albanian immigration into Kosovo was much like what we wittnessed in northern Cyprus after 1974, where new settlers from Turkey had been encouraged to settle down.
Historical circumstances with the onset of the Ottoman invasions and the subsequent displacement of populations certainly played the biggest part. I know some of my fellow Serbs will take offence at this, but I think in some small way the problem was exacerbated by the liaissez faire attitude Serbs have had in the modern era regarding other ethnic groups within Serbia.

Out of all the previous Yugoslav republics the Serbs have always been the most complacent with regards to other ethnicities. The flip side of the traditional Orthodox Serb is this easy going Slavic live and let live attitude. The Serbs gave the minorities too much leeway in terms of self representation and ethnic expression and that was repaid with a knife in the back off our people. Hence the current dilemma with the primitives known as siptars.

I guess in this thread I have been more concerned with assessing Albanian origin mythologies and identity, or lack of identity, and asking and exploring certain questions related to the savage character of the Albanians.

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#155 Apr 18, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Show me any historical record where the Medieval Serbs came into conflict with a previous Albanian presence in Kosovo. You can't cause it doesn't exist.
Show me any historical record where Medieval Hungarians came into conflict with a previous Slavic presence in Vojvodina. You can't cause it doesn't exist.
Strahd wrote:
The Byzantine influenced Serbs settled the region.
I thought you servs fell out of the sky into Kosovo.
Vojvod wrote:
Serbs did not support a breakaway Kosovo. History is on Serbia's side,
No it isnt, because Ottoman or Bulgarian rule over Kosovo was longer than Serbian rule.

Strahd wrote:
In any case the uncivilised savage and primitive siptar is incapable of civilisation.
Still more civilised than you.
Vojvod wrote:
As far as a future solution is concerned it will ultimately have to involve Serbia. Nato like previous powers will not always be around.
Maybe in 600 years, you are dreaming and hoping Strahd. You will die knowing that Kosovo is still independent.

Strahd wrote:
When debates don't go your way you do the tantrum routine.
No that is what you do.

Vojvod wrote:
Also, show me where I have been calling for the extermination of Hungarians on Hungary forum. You can't, and I have no idea why you are talking about your forum.
Read your own posts, the proof is there.
Anonymous

Prague, Czech Republic

#156 Apr 19, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Historical circumstances with the onset of the Ottoman invasions and the subsequent displacement of populations certainly played the biggest part. I know some of my fellow Serbs will take offence at this, but I think in some small way the problem was exacerbated by the liaissez faire attitude Serbs have had in the modern era regarding other ethnic groups within Serbia.
Out of all the previous Yugoslav republics the Serbs have always been the most complacent with regards to other ethnicities. The flip side of the traditional Orthodox Serb is this easy going Slavic live and let live attitude. The Serbs gave the minorities too much leeway in terms of self representation and ethnic expression and that was repaid with a knife in the back off our people. Hence the current dilemma with the primitives known as siptars.
I guess in this thread I have been more concerned with assessing Albanian origin mythologies and identity, or lack of identity, and asking and exploring certain questions related to the savage character of the Albanians.
The Kosovo Albanian mythology is funny and if you looked for the Albanian Wiki articles on issues relating to this, you'd see that they are incompatible with the same articles in any other language. One shouldn't however deny that Albanians have some Illyrian blood in their veins.

However, several elements in Serbian amateur historiography are also nothing but wishful mythology, such as the story about an eternal hostility between Serbs and Austrians, while these two had in fact been allies for centuries, sometimes very close ones who even share foreign diplomacy.
Anonymous

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#157 Apr 19, 2013
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#158 Apr 19, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Show me any historical record where Medieval Hungarians came into conflict with a previous Slavic presence in Vojvodina. You can't cause it doesn't exist.
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I thought you servs fell out of the sky into Kosovo.
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No it isnt, because Ottoman or Bulgarian rule over Kosovo was longer than Serbian rule.
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Still more civilised than you.
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Maybe in 600 years, you are dreaming and hoping Strahd. You will die knowing that Kosovo is still independent.
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No that is what you do.
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Read your own posts, the proof is there.
No, I asked you to show me the links to prove I asked for the extermination of Magyars on your forum and you could not comply with that request. When you accuse somebody of a particular conduct be sure to have the backup evidence with you.

Again, I see that you are looking for someone to debate Vojvodina one more time. No debate, it is Serbian, try elsewhere Majmun.

We are both men, lets be honest and mature. You never had any sympathy or particular interest in the Albanians in the past. You could not care less for Kosovo or siptars. In fact, in earlier times you had these things to say regarding siptars.

Post 420

‘Turks were empire builders and a warrior people. They terrorized Europe for centuries and they shaped the history of Europe, if not the world. What did Albanians do?

And Albanians speak an Indo European language, nothing to do with Turkic. I guess they can be compared to Armenians, also a distinct Indo European group.’

Post 423

‘ Dont insult Turks by saying Albanians are Turks’

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/serbia/TK0GM...

This was in early Feb just prior to the major heated debates you had with Serbs.

Your posts on this thread are about one thing only. This is a personal bitch fest against individual Serbian posters including me that showed you up about Vojvodina, nothing more, nothing less. Everyone knows this except a few of the dumber siptars. Now drop the pretend act.

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#159 Apr 19, 2013
Though I dont care much for Albanians, I support their struggles against Servoslave pigs. The old saying, an enemy of an enemy is a friend.

Now, from a national point of view I have no reasons to dislike them, and hold them in higher esteem than Serbs.

There is no pretend act.

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#160 Apr 19, 2013
Now, from a national point of view I have no reasons to dislike them. I also hold them in higher esteem than Serbs.

*

corrected my sentence for a better meaning

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#161 Apr 19, 2013
Karolcik wrote:
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The Kosovo Albanian mythology is funny and if you looked for the Albanian Wiki articles on issues relating to this, you'd see that they are incompatible with the same articles in any other language. One shouldn't however deny that Albanians have some Illyrian blood in their veins.
However, several elements in Serbian amateur historiography are also nothing but wishful mythology, such as the story about an eternal hostility between Serbs and Austrians, while these two had in fact been allies for centuries, sometimes very close ones who even share foreign diplomacy.
Most in the Balkans, especially north of Greece and west of Bulgaria and Romania have some Illyrian blood. The issue is regarding the fact that Albanians claim to have direct and almost exclusive lineage to the Illyrians when the evidence clearly shows that if anything the west Balkan and Dinaric Slavs have the highest frequency connecting them to ancient Balkan tribes, although of Danubian Slavic priority by and large.

'eternal hostility between Serbs and Austrians, while these two had in fact been allies for centuries'

??? I have never had any animosity towards Austrians or Germans beyond disagreeing with a few of their ideological and political choices at different turns in history. In fact, the Germans have contributed to the overall cultural development of Europe in their own rich way. I had visited Germany on my last trip to Europe and have only good things to say about the experience. Very helpful and friendly folk as far as I was concerned on a personal level.

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#162 Apr 19, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Though I dont care much for Albanians, I support their struggles against Servoslave pigs. The old saying, an enemy of an enemy is a friend.
Now, from a national point of view I have no reasons to dislike them, and hold them in higher esteem than Serbs.
There is no pretend act.
Sure, right. I recall some of your earlier posts where you said something to the effect that you recognised Serbia's right to Kosovo as long as Serbia handed over the keys to Vojvodina to the Magyars..........Yes, it was in that Croat friendship thread. Might check that out sometime.

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#163 Apr 19, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Sure, right. I recall some of your earlier posts where you said something to the effect that you recognised Serbia's right to Kosovo as long as Serbia handed over the keys to Vojvodina to the Magyars..........Yes, it was in that Croat friendship thread. Might check that out sometime.
And I recall many of your earlier posts, which you have then turned out to either lie/bluff.

You are a liar , and a twisted one at that.

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#164 Apr 19, 2013
But also, bear in mind my anti-Albanian comments a few months back were as a result of a conflict with Stern and Pristina.
Strahd

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#165 Apr 19, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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And I recall many of your earlier posts, which you have then turned out to either lie/bluff.
You are a liar , and a twisted one at that.
So now with your usual generalised insults with those you have a disagreement with.
Strahd

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#166 Apr 19, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
But also, bear in mind my anti-Albanian comments a few months back were as a result of a conflict with Stern and Pristina.
So in other words you admit to shopping and changing your viewpoints at the drop of a hat when you are chagrined with a poster or two. In effect what you are saying is that we cant trust that your words here reflect your true opinions.....interesting.

BTW
Those words where you said Kosovo belongs to Serbs are quite explicit and I recall that being said also in the early Bulgaria thread when the issue of Vojvodina came up, earlier posts, and one of those Vojvodina titled threads.

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#167 Apr 20, 2013
" So in other words you admit to shopping and changing your viewpoints at the drop of a hat when you are chagrined with a poster or two. In effect what you are saying is that we cant trust that your words here reflect your true opinions.....interesting"

Not really, all I admit to is defending against hostile posts.

If ethnicity X starts to attack me and my country, then I will attack them back. Comprende?

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#168 Apr 20, 2013
Anyway- I don't know why you think opinions are set in stone. As you learn and discover knew things, sometimes you end up rethinking your points of view

Kosovo is irrelevant to me, I won't lose any sleep over it, but I do welcome the thought of Serbia suffering, I see it as karma.

In another words, I support Kosovo independence not because I love Albanians, but because I hate Serbs, and enemy of an enemy is a friend. Comprende?

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#169 Apr 20, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
" So in other words you admit to shopping and changing your viewpoints at the drop of a hat when you are chagrined with a poster or two. In effect what you are saying is that we cant trust that your words here reflect your true opinions.....interesting"
Not really, all I admit to is defending against hostile posts.
If ethnicity X starts to attack me and my country, then I will attack them back. Comprende?
No one attacked your country. Just about every Serb supports the current integrity of Hungary. You forget that you came here with your 'Hungarian irredentism' and to stir the pot by offending every Serb with your claims to the modern territorial boundary of Serbia.

So failing to find anyone to debate Vojvodina with you again, you have taken to.....this. I don't take your acting as some sort of self proclaimed rep for the primitive siptars seriously given your previous viewpoints in regards to the savages.

Comprende.

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#170 Apr 20, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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No one attacked your country. Just about every Serb supports the current integrity of Hungary. You forget that you came here with your 'Hungarian irredentism' and to stir the pot by offending every Serb with your claims to the modern territorial boundary of Serbia.
And I support the territorial integrity of Vilayet of Sumadija.
And may I remind you Mr Serv Analysis, who was it that made genocide threats to Hungarians before I even entered this forum?
Strahd wrote:
I don't take your acting as some sort of self proclaimed rep for the primitive siptars seriously given your previous viewpoints in regards to the savages.
Comprende.
I am not a self proclaimed rep for anyone, unlike yourself Strahd. And these "savages" are still more civilized than Orthodox Serbs, given that there are many Catholic Albanians.

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#171 Apr 20, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Anyway- I don't know why you think opinions are set in stone. As you learn and discover knew things, sometimes you end up rethinking your points of view
Kosovo is irrelevant to me, I won't lose any sleep over it, but I do welcome the thought of Serbia suffering, I see it as karma.
In another words, I support Kosovo independence not because I love Albanians, but because I hate Serbs, and enemy of an enemy is a friend. Comprende?
'and enemy of an enemy is a friend.' That is a naïve way of thinking.

As a traditionalist I believe some things should be set in stone.
For instance, my viewpoints on Kosovo and Vojvodina as being a part of the rightful territory of Serbia will never change.

Comprehend that.

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